Teen EXECUTIONS permissible- yet not family spanking?

22 such executions of teens have been carried out in recent years.

In 1989, The USSC affirmed the legality of such executions.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap...y.asp?ID=28781

(Fern5827) wrote in message news:20040126112845.1On 26 Jan 2004 16:28:45 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

22 such executions of teens have been carried out in recent years.

In 1989, The USSC affirmed the legality of such executions.

And where does the USSC or any other law, state or federal, prohibit
spanking, as per:

" Teen EXECUTIONS permissible- yet not family spanking?"

You had to ask if spanking was permissible, when you know the laws as
quoted endlessly in this ng?

You are a liar, Arctostaphylos uva ursi.

Plain and simple, and each family that comes here will be told that,
every time I catch you trying to lead them into one of your
bloodbaths, as you recently did to the person that asked about
information on kinship placement and you suggested they begin with and
continue an adversarial hostile encounter with the state.

You are a liar, a cheat, and sick in the head to do this to people who
are vulnerable and in terrible pain from loss or are anxious from the
thought of impending loss.

How DID you get so sick?

By the way, do you think prisoners facing execution, young or old,
weren't spanked for discipline when they were little? Got any data at
all to support such a claim?

Or do you concur...they were most likely spanked in a society where
90% of the families do use corporal punishment?

Kane

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22 such executions of teens have been carried out in recent years.

In 1989, The USSC affirmed the legality of such executions.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap...y.asp?ID=28781

"Kane" wrote in message
om...
(Fern5827) wrote in message news:20040126112845.1On 26
Jan 2004 16:28:45 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

22 such executions of teens have been carried out in recent years.

In 1989, The USSC affirmed the legality of such executions.

And where does the USSC or any other law, state or federal, prohibit
spanking, as per:

" Teen EXECUTIONS permissible- yet not family spanking?"

You had to ask if spanking was permissible, when you know the laws as
quoted endlessly in this ng?

You are a liar, Arctostaphylos uva ursi.

Plain and simple, and each family that comes here will be told that,
every time I catch you trying to lead them into one of your
bloodbaths, as you recently did to the person that asked about
information on kinship placement and you suggested they begin with and
continue an adversarial hostile encounter with the state.

You are a liar, a cheat, and sick in the head to do this to people who
are vulnerable and in terrible pain from loss or are anxious from the
thought of impending loss.

How DID you get so sick?

By the way, do you think prisoners facing execution, young or old,
weren't spanked for discipline when they were little? Got any data at
all to support such a claim?

Or do you concur...they were most likely spanked in a society where
90% of the families do use corporal punishment?

Kane

Ninty percent of convicts chew gum.. or did chew gum. Do yOu see any
relationship? How many received traffic tickets? Is that indicative of a
flagrant desregard for the the law? How many masturbate? Is that a
suggestion they are perps, too?

Taking a common behavior and extending it to justify a means is not real
science... just a twisted mind.

bobb



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22 such executions of teens have been carried out in recent years.

In 1989, The USSC affirmed the legality of such executions.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap...y.asp?ID=28781

I SUSPECT based on personal observation that the
undermining of parental authority and discipline
resulting from CPS leads to more kids out
of control and on death row.

The OLD WAY didn't have so many teens on death row.

It's not rock solid proof, but it's STILL
better proof than what SIR ROY used when he
perpetrated his fraud which harmed
THOUSANDS of families.

But Fern has hit on an interesting logical point.

Why haven't "Child Protection" agencies been
screaming about these teen executions?

Or even teen incarceration? No enriching environment?

Just no money to be made in this venture perhaps?

How do they escape being called hypocrites on this?

On 28 Jan 2004 04:05:46 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

I SUSPECT based on personal observation

Don't you find it difficult running about making all those "personal
observations" with the couch growing out your ass?

that the
undermining of parental authority and discipline

Odd, I have been seeing you folks claim for years that CP is the
experience of 90+% of the population. What "undermining" would that be
then?

resulting from CPS

CPS has zero control in setting standards of parenting.

leads to more kids out
of control

Actually it's the use of CP that does that. You, for instance, are a
wonderful example of the breakdown of discipline. You lack the
discipline to do more than whine and sit on your ass, and you were
undoubtedly a spanked child.

and on death row.

When you have a count of the number of "undisciplined as kids" folks
sitting on death row, give us a jingle.

I suspect, based on personal observation of the legislative process
that the people through their representatives (that IS how we do
things in this country, Whore) decided that they were tired of gang
and other underage wannabees makin' their mark with murder.

And your claim, from your "personal observation" about more teens out
of control does not stand up to even the most perfuntory search of the
data on junevile crime rates. That rate is down and has been going
down for decades. Check DOJ and FBI figures.

The OLD WAY didn't have so many teens on death row.

You know this how again? But I'll conceed there were just more dead
children before they got to their teens and parents not held
accountable back in the "OLD" days.

Fact is any logical mind would get that malicious and stupid parents
are being given, as was happening around the time of CAPTA up to the
time of ASFA (designed to STOP the slaughter and abuse) less chance to
raise such dangerous people as was the case when more children were
being returned to unrehabilitated parents, hence they grew up to
become some of the most dangerous children we have today.

It's not rock solid proof,

It's not even marshmallow soft "proof."

It doesn't even take "rock solid proof," just the capacity to read
some simple and easily found data at the DOJ site.

but it's STILL
better proof than what SIR ROY used when he
perpetrated his fraud which harmed
THOUSANDS of families.

Which, of course is one of your many diversionary asides. You really
DO have a bad habit, whore.

But Fern has hit on an interesting logical point.

R R R R ....oh yeah: A Plant with A Point. Asparagus are sooooo wise.

Why haven't "Child Protection" agencies been
screaming about these teen executions?

Why aren't the screaming about The Girl Scouts?

Well, because they don't usually "scream" about anything they aren't
mandated by law do be involved in. One of those things is, because
they are designated as "enforcement" hence an "executive government
function" they don't make law.

Or even teen incarceration? No enriching environment?

Actually most states DO serve adjudicated youth through CPS or an
affiliate agency. Your ignorance is showing yet again.

Just no money to be made in this venture perhaps?

Just not allowed to do more than lobby on such issues since it's not
their area of mandate, and they don't get to lobby on much of anything
but HOW to do what child welfare laws dictate they do.

How do they escape being called hypocrites on this?

Easy. They are not allowed to control the other two branches of
government.

Additionally, CPS also doesn't involve itself until an allegation of
abuse is made. They are not allowed to go crawling about looking for
abuse or neglect unless they are contacted first.

This gets them blamed for a lot of things they have zero control over,
and you ninnies get to crow and posture.

Yah really should learn about something before yah make a total ass of
yourself yakkin' about it.

Now tell me I'm an "apologist" for educating you.

When you stupid buttwipes stop lying and excreting your ignorance real
reform can take place. But fact is you are nothing more than phony
balognas busy with your own agendas....in your case trying to avoid
the truth about yourself, whore.

Kane

(Fern5827) wrote in message ...
22 such executions of teens have been carried out in recent years.

In 1989, The USSC affirmed the legality of such executions.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap...y.asp?ID=28781

Actually, this is the only country to do so. Generally the whole
deMausean schtick in American culture.

Greg Hanson wrote:

I SUSPECT based on personal observation that the
undermining of parental authority and discipline
resulting from CPS leads to more kids out
of control and on death row.
---------------------
No, that's a delusion found among people who were abused as
children and who were beaten so badly they sought approval
of their abusers. The "fear" that others will be 'bad' if
they aren't ritually punished enough is merely projected
shame from their own abuse. They want to see the kid next
to them "get it" just as badly so that they don't feel so
****ing stupid and used for having taken it. They feel if
anyone gets away with what they were beaten for, that they
will look like a stupid pussy.
Steve

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...
I SUSPECT based on personal observation that the
undermining of parental authority and discipline
resulting from CPS leads to more kids out
of control and on death row.

The OLD WAY didn't have so many teens on death row.

It's not rock solid proof, but it's STILL
better proof than what SIR ROY used when he
perpetrated his fraud which harmed
THOUSANDS of families.

But Fern has hit on an interesting logical point.

Why haven't "Child Protection" agencies been
screaming about these teen executions?

Or even teen incarceration? No enriching environment?

Just no money to be made in this venture perhaps?

How do they escape being called hypocrites on this?

CPS stands apart from the juvenile justice system. In fact, the refuse to
find foster homes for delinquent kids. They still don't until ordered to do
so by a judge.

One one think that their 'vast, superior knoweldge' concerning families and
kids would have something to contribute in the area. How many times have you
heard of CPS finding a home for a kid who got kicked out of the house for
one reason or another.. or runaway kids?

You will find that kids who runaway from home are not candidates for CPS.
Kids who runaway from foster homes are not treated any differently. A police
report is made but no active seach is conducted by CPS, nor will they pick
up a kid even if they know where he/she is. Something a bio-parent that
would be expected to do.

Their mandate is abuse and neglect. Considering the mess they created in
those area... I'm not sure I'd want them in the juvenile justice system
anyway.

bobb

"Kane" wrote in message
om...
On 28 Jan 2004 04:05:46 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

I SUSPECT based on personal observation

Don't you find it difficult running about making all those "personal
observations" with the couch growing out your ass?

that the
undermining of parental authority and discipline

Odd, I have been seeing you folks claim for years that CP is the
experience of 90+% of the population. What "undermining" would that be
then?

resulting from CPS

CPS has zero control in setting standards of parenting.

leads to more kids out
of control

Actually it's the use of CP that does that. You, for instance, are a
wonderful example of the breakdown of discipline. You lack the
discipline to do more than whine and sit on your ass, and you were
undoubtedly a spanked child.

and on death row.

When you have a count of the number of "undisciplined as kids" folks
sitting on death row, give us a jingle.

I suspect, based on personal observation of the legislative process
that the people through their representatives (that IS how we do
things in this country, Whore) decided that they were tired of gang
and other underage wannabees makin' their mark with murder.

And your claim, from your "personal observation" about more teens out
of control does not stand up to even the most perfuntory search of the
data on junevile crime rates. That rate is down and has been going
down for decades. Check DOJ and FBI figures.

The OLD WAY didn't have so many teens on death row.

You know this how again? But I'll conceed there were just more dead
children before they got to their teens and parents not held
accountable back in the "OLD" days.

Fact is any logical mind would get that malicious and stupid parents
are being given, as was happening around the time of CAPTA up to the
time of ASFA (designed to STOP the slaughter and abuse) less chance to
raise such dangerous people as was the case when more children were
being returned to unrehabilitated parents, hence they grew up to
become some of the most dangerous children we have today.

It's not rock solid proof,

It's not even marshmallow soft "proof."

It doesn't even take "rock solid proof," just the capacity to read
some simple and easily found data at the DOJ site.

but it's STILL
better proof than what SIR ROY used when he
perpetrated his fraud which harmed
THOUSANDS of families.

Which, of course is one of your many diversionary asides. You really
DO have a bad habit, whore.

But Fern has hit on an interesting logical point.

R R R R ....oh yeah: A Plant with A Point. Asparagus are sooooo wise.

Why haven't "Child Protection" agencies been
screaming about these teen executions?

Why aren't the screaming about The Girl Scouts?

Well, because they don't usually "scream" about anything they aren't
mandated by law do be involved in. One of those things is, because
they are designated as "enforcement" hence an "executive government
function" they don't make law.

Yep.. the most certainly do make the law. They employ lobbiest to get
favorable laws passed... laws that give them authority and control. Laws
that equate to the Patriate Act by John Ashcroft and Bushy baby... deny
basic freedoms and parental authority.

Or even teen incarceration? No enriching environment?

Actually most states DO serve adjudicated youth through CPS or an
affiliate agency. Your ignorance is showing yet again.

Not until most recently.. and it took a federal court appeal to force CPS
to provide services to the juvenile system. This is but a single instance
where you rant about how great CPS is.. but then lean with the wind when
change is demanded outside of CPS.




Just no money to be made in this venture perhaps?

Just not allowed to do more than lobby on such issues since it's not
their area of mandate, and they don't get to lobby on much of anything
but HOW to do what child welfare laws dictate they do.

How do they escape being called hypocrites on this?

Easy. They are not allowed to control the other two branches of
government.

Additionally, CPS also doesn't involve itself until an allegation of
abuse is made. They are not allowed to go crawling about looking for
abuse or neglect unless they are contacted first.

Technically you might be right.. at least that's what they want the public
to beleive. But, we all know that is not quite true. They actively search
out reports of any abuse or neglect... even suspected instances.. They
lobbied for mandated reporting and annonymous reporting. They even inserted
themselves in schools where they could maximize contact with children..
They've done everything except hang wanted posters.

This gets them blamed for a lot of things they have zero control over,
and you ninnies get to crow and posture.

No, we complain about the control CPS excerts... often inapporpriately.
There is a difference.

Yah really should learn about something before yah make a total ass of
yourself yakkin' about it.

Now tell me I'm an "apologist" for educating you.


Not much of an education when you do nothing more than blindly support CPS
even in light of changes brought about because of groups like this.

bobb

When you stupid buttwipes stop lying and excreting your ignorance real
reform can take place. But fact is you are nothing more than phony
balognas busy with your own agendas....in your case trying to avoid
the truth about yourself, whore.

Kane

bobb wrote:

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...
I SUSPECT based on personal observation that the
undermining of parental authority and discipline
resulting from CPS leads to more kids out
of control and on death row.

The OLD WAY didn't have so many teens on death row.
---------------------
WRONGO!
Death row has shrink MONSTROUSLY in the last 50 years!


It's not rock solid proof, but it's STILL
better proof than what SIR ROY used when he
perpetrated his fraud which harmed
THOUSANDS of families.

But Fern has hit on an interesting logical point.

Why haven't "Child Protection" agencies been
screaming about these teen executions?
-----------------------------
Not their job, they are executive branch, not the judiciary.


Or even teen incarceration? No enriching environment?

Just no money to be made in this venture perhaps?

How do they escape being called hypocrites on this?

CPS stands apart from the juvenile justice system. In fact, the refuse to
find foster homes for delinquent kids. They still don't until ordered to do
so by a judge.
------------------------
Which can be by phone, so not quite true.


One one think that their 'vast, superior knoweldge' concerning families and
kids would have something to contribute in the area. How many times have you
heard of CPS finding a home for a kid who got kicked out of the house for
one reason or another.. or runaway kids?
---------------------
Enough, but they do try to limit extremely strained foster resources
to emergencies by way of avoiding abuse.


You will find that kids who runaway from home are not candidates for CPS.
-----------------
Untrue.


Kids who runaway from foster homes are not treated any differently.
------------------
There's no power to do so. Police are the last resort in this society,
and they are strained to the limit.


A police
report is made but no active seach is conducted by CPS, nor will they pick
up a kid even if they know where he/she is.
--------------------
Depends. They often feel the child is better off being where they
want to be, as long as it is relatively safe.


Something a bio-parent that would be expected to do.
------------------
No, they would have the same judgement to make, and that might be
to leave the child wherever they ran to for a time.


Their mandate is abuse and neglect. Considering the mess they created in
those area... I'm not sure I'd want them in the juvenile justice system
anyway.

bobb
-------------
Don't be stupid.
Their mandate is to offer victimized children alternate lodging and
some adult connection in a home-like environment.

They're not pshrinks, not Gods, not mind readers, they aren't supposed
to be, they are the best we can do at this stage of civilization when
children seem to be abused.

Nor do they have to be, humans who are hurt heal, it is our nature,
we evolved to do so. They offer the chance to get away from hurt and
heal one one's own as much as is possible. If a child runs away from
a foster home you can't always drop everything and hunt them down,
other kids at home, jobs, what-not.

Nor should they, these kids are living people, and they aren't going
to magically die off on their own, and it provides them a chance to
re-evaluate their options and their chances. Children who are too
young don'trun away for long unless they are being horribly abused,
they don't know what to do.
Steve