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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
"Jeff" wrote in message news:wLV5i.813$D31.296@trnddc01... Yet, more serious reactions are more likely to get reported. A little soreness after the shots are less likely to get reported. Go figure. Jeff so most reactions that don't get reported, the 99% are just soreness. Yeah, my arse! |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
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JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:wLV5i.813$D31.296@trnddc01... Yet, more serious reactions are more likely to get reported. A little soreness after the shots are less likely to get reported. Go figure. Jeff so most reactions that don't get reported, the 99% are just soreness. Yeah, my arse! Well, yeah, if that's where you get injected. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." -- Bill Maher |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
On May 26, 3:08�pm, (David Wright) wrote:
In article , JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:wLV5i.813$D31.296@trnddc01... Yet, more serious reactions are more likely to get reported. A little soreness after the shots are less likely to get reported. Go figure. Jeff so most reactions that don't get reported, the 99% are just soreness. *Yeah, my arse! Well, yeah, if that's where you get injected. * -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net * * *These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. * * *"Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Bill Maher To me there is a big difference between severe pain and soreness. There are obvious differences in the detail that even reporting physicians have. The fact that a number of people had syncope, had problems speaking, and FELL off of the table is pretty significant in and of itself. |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
Chris wrote:
On May 26, 3:08�pm, (David Wright) wrote: In article , JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:wLV5i.813$D31.296@trnddc01... Yet, more serious reactions are more likely to get reported. A little soreness after the shots are less likely to get reported. Go figure. Jeff so most reactions that don't get reported, the 99% are just soreness. �Yeah, my arse! Well, yeah, if that's where you get injected. � -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net � � �These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. � � �"Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Bill Maher To me there is a big difference between severe pain and soreness. There are obvious differences in the detail that even reporting physicians have. The fact that a number of people had syncope, had problems speaking, and FELL off of the table is pretty significant in and of itself. Yet, that doesn't mean that the vaccine was the cause. It may have been a reaction to the injection, without regard to what was in it. Jeff |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
"Jeff" wrote in message news:y106i.266$Au6.129@trndny04... Chris wrote: On May 26, 3:08?pm, (David Wright) wrote: In article , JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:wLV5i.813$D31.296@trnddc01... Yet, more serious reactions are more likely to get reported. A little soreness after the shots are less likely to get reported. Go figure. Jeff so most reactions that don't get reported, the 99% are just soreness. ?Yeah, my arse! Well, yeah, if that's where you get injected. ? -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net ? ? ?These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. ? ? ?"Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Bill Maher To me there is a big difference between severe pain and soreness. There are obvious differences in the detail that even reporting physicians have. The fact that a number of people had syncope, had problems speaking, and FELL off of the table is pretty significant in and of itself. Yet, that doesn't mean that the vaccine was the cause. It may have been a reaction to the injection, without regard to what was in it. Jeff I'll bet it was the peas! |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
Yet, that doesn't mean that the vaccine was the cause. It may have been a reaction to the injection, without regard to what was in it. Jeff- Hide quoted text - And disturbingly, the "possible" differentiation isn't being made. |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
Chris wrote:
On May 26, 3:08�pm, (David Wright) wrote: In article , JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:wLV5i.813$D31.296@trnddc01... Yet, more serious reactions are more likely to get reported. A little soreness after the shots are less likely to get reported. Go figure. Jeff so most reactions that don't get reported, the 99% are just soreness. �Yeah, my arse! Well, yeah, if that's where you get injected. � -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net � � �These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. � � �"Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Bill Maher To me there is a big difference between severe pain and soreness. There are obvious differences in the detail that even reporting physicians have. The fact that a number of people had syncope, had problems speaking, and FELL off of the table is pretty significant in and of itself. Only if the problems are related to the vaccination by something other than temporal sequencing. |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
On May 25, 11:37 pm, Mark Probert
wrote: Roman Bystrianyk wrote: On May 25, 3:14 am, "JOHN" wrote: 1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reportedhttp://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSReports.pdf Accuracy of Reports. VAERS is a passive surveillance system, and the large number of reports to VAERS precludes checking the specifics of the vast majority of reports, especially the less serious ones. Few reports to VAERS include full medical record documentation, and some doubtless include errors. In addition, the VAERS forms often have missing data; even simple data such as age, sex, vaccination date and adverse event onset date are missing for about 11%, 8%, 10% and 14%, respectively, of domestic VAERS reports. Hey, Roman, we fact based evidence types have been saying that to John and his ilk for years. They still insist that VAERS provides useful information. It is a waste of taxpayer money and should be shut down and replaced with something useful. Good day. I would certainly say that VAERS isn't extremely accurate being that it is a passive surveillance system. I personally know approximately two dozen people that have had severe reactions - several very severe - and none of them are in the VAERS database either because they didn't feel it was worthwhile or were actively discouraged from submitting information. That being said I feel there is some information that can be gleaned from the database even if only say 5 to 10% of reactions are actually recorded. A mandatory recording system to replace VAERS simply is not going to occur at this time so some recording of information I feel is better than none. In actuality I believe the only real way to obtain valuable information on effectiveness and adverse effects is by using a double-blind placebo controlled large scale study. Enjoy your day. Roman |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
On May 25, 11:37 pm, Mark Probert wrote: Roman Bystrianyk wrote: On May 25, 3:14 am, "JOHN" wrote: 1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reportedhttp://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSReports.pdf Accuracy of Reports. VAERS is a passive surveillance system, and the large number of reports to VAERS precludes checking the specifics of the vast majority of reports, especially the less serious ones. Few reports to VAERS include full medical record documentation, and some doubtless include errors. In addition, the VAERS forms often have missing data; even simple data such as age, sex, vaccination date and adverse event onset date are missing for about 11%, 8%, 10% and 14%, respectively, of domestic VAERS reports. Hey, Roman, we fact based evidence types have been saying that to John and his ilk for years. They still insist that VAERS provides useful information. It is a waste of taxpayer money and should be shut down and replaced with something useful. Good day. I would certainly say that VAERS isn't extremely accurate being that it is a passive surveillance system. I personally know approximately two dozen people that have had severe reactions - several very severe - and none of them are in the VAERS database either because they didn't feel it was worthwhile or were actively discouraged from submitting information. That being said I feel there is some information that can be gleaned from the database even if only say 5 to 10% of reactions are actually recorded. A mandatory recording system to replace VAERS simply is not going to occur at this time so some recording of information I feel is better than none. In actuality I believe the only real way to obtain valuable information on effectiveness and adverse effects is by using a double-blind placebo controlled large scale study. The problems with VARS is that it is a garbage dump.It takes any and all reports with no screening whatsoever. I assume you are familiar with the Laidler story where he called in a report and described a situation where the imaginary patient turned into the incredible hulk? DHHS did call him to question the story. VAERS had a major spike in reports a few years back when the lawyers in the Omnibus claim decided it would be a good idea to have more reports, thus inflating the numbers. |
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1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reported
Mark Probert wrote:
Roman Bystrianyk wrote: On May 25, 11:37 pm, Mark Probert wrote: Roman Bystrianyk wrote: On May 25, 3:14 am, "JOHN" wrote: 1,637 Gardasil reactions have been reportedhttp://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSReports.pdf Accuracy of Reports. VAERS is a passive surveillance system, and the large number of reports to VAERS precludes checking the specifics of the vast majority of reports, especially the less serious ones. Few reports to VAERS include full medical record documentation, and some doubtless include errors. In addition, the VAERS forms often have missing data; even simple data such as age, sex, vaccination date and adverse event onset date are missing for about 11%, 8%, 10% and 14%, respectively, of domestic VAERS reports. Hey, Roman, we fact based evidence types have been saying that to John and his ilk for years. They still insist that VAERS provides useful information. It is a waste of taxpayer money and should be shut down and replaced with something useful. Good day. I would certainly say that VAERS isn't extremely accurate being that it is a passive surveillance system. I personally know approximately two dozen people that have had severe reactions - several very severe - and none of them are in the VAERS database either because they didn't feel it was worthwhile or were actively discouraged from submitting information. That being said I feel there is some information that can be gleaned from the database even if only say 5 to 10% of reactions are actually recorded. A mandatory recording system to replace VAERS simply is not going to occur at this time so some recording of information I feel is better than none. In actuality I believe the only real way to obtain valuable information on effectiveness and adverse effects is by using a double-blind placebo controlled large scale study. The problems with VARS is that it is a garbage dump.It takes any and all reports with no screening whatsoever. I assume you are familiar with the Laidler story where he called in a report and described a situation where the imaginary patient turned into the incredible hulk? DHHS did call him to question the story. VAERS had a major spike in reports a few years back when the lawyers in the Omnibus claim decided it would be a good idea to have more reports, thus inflating the numbers. Hit send too soon. These attorneys, numbering around 100 or so, needed to inflate the numbers in the hope that they would further support their nebulous claims and make t seem like there is an "epidemic". |
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