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Episiotomy: 'nice' violence against women performed by 'nice' MDs (I'm speaking of ROUTINE episiotomy, of course.)



 
 
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Old April 16th 04, 09:38 PM
Todd Gastaldo
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Default Episiotomy: 'nice' violence against women performed by 'nice' MDs (I'm speaking of ROUTINE episiotomy, of course.)

OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%. See PROOF below.

PREGNANT WOMEN: See the very end of this post for simple instructions on
how to allow your birth canal to open the "extra" up to 30%...

LADIES: Help protect your VAGINAS: You can help PREVENT EPISIOTOMIES See
below.

Dennis S. O'Leary, M.D.,
President,
Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations/JCAHO
via Terri Tye, , or Laura Botwinick, .

Dennis,

As you know, JCAHO is currently addressing health care professional
education and injury prevention as public policy initiatives:
a.. Health care professional education -- At the second roundtable, held
March 15, participants began crystallizing proposed solutions for inclusion
in a white paper on the issue to be released by early 2005. A third
roundtable will be held this fall, to further refine the framing of the
issues and proposed solutions.
b.. Tort resolution and injury prevention -- Participants at the first
roundtable, held February 23, included lawyers, practitioners,
administrators, consumer advocates, health care researchers and patient
safety experts...A second roundtable is planned for July, and a national
conference is scheduled for November.
http://www.jcaho.org/about+us/news+l...e/jo_04_04.htm
Please DO educate health care professionals!

Tell them that American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward
females is obvious vagina fraud associated with spinal manipulation fraud
that sometimes paralyzes babies - sometimes KILLS babies - but usually
"only" wrenches babies' necks...

MD-obstetricians are slicing vaginas en masse (euphemism
"routine episiotomy") - surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring that everything
possible has been done to OPEN the birth canal - even as they CLOSE the
birth
canal up to 30%.

MD-obstetricians are *knowingly* closing birth canals up to 30%. See PROOF
at the very end of this post.

ANY HOSPITAL-BASED CHIROPRACTORS READING?

The MD-obstetrician minor surgery fraud (episiotomy) occurs simultaneously
with MD-obstetrician SPINAL MANIPULATION FRAUD...

With birth canals senselessly closed up to 30%...

MDs are violently pushing on tiny spines (with oxytocin, Cytotec and PGE2)
and gruesomely pulling (with hands, forceps, vacuums) - with birth canals
senselessly closed up to 30%.

Some babies die - some are paralyzed - but most "only" have their necks
gruesomely wrenched.

It's a massive MD spinal manipulation crime.

ALL spinal manipulation is gruesome with the birth canal senselessly closed
up to 30%.

See Criminal medical CAM at Hawai'i's John A Burns School of Medicine
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2256

And see: Helping baby open birth canal (Why obstetrics is criminal medical
CAM)...
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2391

NOTE: American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward MALES is
also an obvious health fraud.

See Difference between God and an MD?
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2438

MORE ON THE EPISIOTOMY FRAUD...

Michael C. Klein, MD writes: "[E]pisiotomy is a deliberate second degree
tear." [Birth. Letter.
2002;29(1):74]

Some MDs are still claiming (fraudulently) that their episiotomies are
*preventing*
severe tears clear to the anus when in fact MDs are CAUSING severe tears
clear to the anus!

In 1990 the National Institutes of Health researched the issue and found
that deliberate tears by
MDs (episiotomies) cause fifty times MORE severe tears (tears clear to the
anus) relative to leaving the vagina alone.[Shiono et al. Obstet Gynecol
1990;75(5):765-70. In Klein et al. Online J Curr Clin Trials
(Jul1)1992, Doc. No. 10]

AS IF THAT WEREN'T BAD ENOUGH...

MDs are not only hospitalizing women DURING birth - via their minor surgery
fraud - they are using birth to
hospitalize women AFTER birth!

Leo Sorger, MD says,

"...once the perineum is cut, the incision may be extended further during
the
birth. This results in greater damage than if the tissues had torn only the
amount required and following natural lines of stretch."
http://www.elizabethnoble.com/episiotomy.html

BOTTOMLINE (it's a doozy!):

Episiotomy causes trauma to the perineum due to childbirth and,

"The most common diagnosis for hospitalization among all women is trauma to
perineum due to childbirth."
http://www.ahcpr.gov/data/hcup/factbk3/factbk3.htm

MDs are deliberately/senselessly traumatizing perinea - and
calling it "childbirth." (!)

This is not childbirth! This is MEDICAL birth - obvious criminal activity...

Thank you for your immediate attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo


PS Dennis, maybe you could stop the obvious MD crime nationwide...

....and tell everyone how you did it this August!

I mention this becaues you are speaking August 2 or 3, 2004 at the:

2ND ANNUAL WORLD CONGRESS LEADERSHIP SUMMIT ON

HEALTHCARE QUALITY & PAY-FOR-PERFORMANCE CONTRACTING

FOR EMPLOYERS, PROVIDERS AND PAYERS

Achieving Value and Accountability through Successful Implementation of
Provider Rewards, Consumer Incentives and Public Disclosure of Quality
Metrics

August 2-3, 2004 * Hyatt Regency * Boston, MA

Dennis, will you please forward this email to the following other people who
are giving "Visionary and Controversial Keynote Addresses" at the
conference?

Robert H. Brook, M.D.,
Vice President, RAND;
Head, RAND Health

Peter Lee,
President and CEO,
Pacific Business
Group on Health

Judith Hibbard, Professor,
Department of Planning,
Public Policy & Management,
University of Oregon

Sam Ho, M.D.,
Executive Vice President
and Chief Medical Officer,
PacifiCare Health Plans

Steve Wetzell,
Strategic Director,
Consumer-Purchaser
Disclosure Project;
Strategic Advisor,
The Leapfrog Group

Dennis S. O'Leary, M.D.,
President,
JCAHO

Albert G. Mulley, M.D.,
Chief, General Medicine
Division and Director,
Medical Practices
Evaluation Center,
Massachusetts General Hospital

Sean Tunis, M.D.,
Chief Medical Officer and
Director, Office of Clinical
Standards and Quality,
Centers for Medicare
and Medicaid Services

Wouldn't it be WONDERFUL Dennis if you guys were to **work together** to
stop the obvious MD crime nationwide and tell everyone how you did it this
August!

GO FOR IT GUYS!

Just in case you don't know all their email addresses, I'll copy the
conference organizer ("World Congress") and ask them to forward this email
to the other people giving "Visionary and Controversial Keynote Addresses"
at the conference...

Copied to:

World Congress
500 West Cummings Park,
Suite 5200
Woburn, MA 01801
Phone: 781-939-2438
-or- 800-647-7600
Email:


You know, Dennis, I wrote you about this obvious MD crime back in 2000...

See Hospital assaults rampant/JCAHO Pres. Dennis S. O'Leary, MD
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/1040

You must not have gotten my email...

Thanks for reading Dennis...

Now for the PROOF that OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%...

According to the Merck Manual:

"When shoulder dystocia occurs...the mother's thighs are hyperflexed to
increase the diameter of the pelvic outlet..."
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanu...er253/253g.jsp

WHY are OBs and CNMwives (nurse midwives) waiting until the
head is
out and shoulders get stuck before giving the baby maximum pelvic outlet
diameter?

WHY are we letting OBs and CNMwives force babies' heads through birth canals
senselessly closed up to 30%?

For PROOF that OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%, scroll up a
little...

PREGNANT WOMEN: It is EASY for you to allow your birth canal to OPEN the
"extra" up
to 30%.
Just roll onto your side as you push your baby out - or deliver on
hands-and-knees, kneeling, standing, squatting, etc.

BEWARE though: Some MDs and MBs will let you "try" "alternative"
delivery positions but will move you back to dorsal or semisitting (close
your birth canal!) as you push your baby out!

Talk to your MD or MB about this TODAY. (For further details see the
"Criminal medical CAM" URLs above.)

MDs/MBs: If you must push or pull - and sometimes you must - first get the
woman off her sacrum - off her back/butt.

Thanks for reading.

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo



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Old April 16th 04, 10:21 PM
Emma Chase VanCott
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Default Episiotomy:

I read once that women in the Netherlands have an episiotomy rate of 20%,
whereas women in N. America have a rate of 80-90%.

The writer stated that the higher rate was thought to be due poor
management of the 2nd stage of labour.

Does anyone have thoughts as to why?


Thanks folks,

Emma

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Old April 16th 04, 10:46 PM
Todd Gastaldo
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Default Episiotomy: 'nice' violence against women performed by 'nice' MDs (I'm speaking of ROUTINE episiotomy, of course.)

IS EMMA A NURSE?

OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%. See PROOF below.

PREGNANT WOMEN: See the very end of this post for simple instructions on
how to allow your birth canal to open the "extra" up to 30%...

"Emma Chase VanCott" wrote in message
...
I read once that women in the Netherlands have an episiotomy rate of 20%,
whereas women in N. America have a rate of 80-90%.

The writer stated that the higher rate was thought to be due poor
management of the 2nd stage of labour.

Does anyone have thoughts as to why?


Emma, I have a thought or two about poor management of the 2nd stage of
labour...

Are you a nurse Emma?
http://www.aboutmytalk.com/t77749/s&.html

If so, have you talked to MDs/MBs/midwives at your hospital - assuming it
has a maternity ward?

Regardless, what did you think about what I wrote in the post that you
snipped?

Here it is again for your convenience...

American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward
females is obvious vagina fraud associated with spinal manipulation fraud
that sometimes paralyzes babies - sometimes KILLS babies - but usually
"only" wrenches babies' necks...

MD-obstetricians are slicing vaginas en masse (euphemism
"routine episiotomy") - surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring that everything
possible has been done to OPEN the birth canal - even as they CLOSE the
birth
canal up to 30%.

MD-obstetricians are *knowingly* closing birth canals up to 30%. See PROOF
at the very end of this post.

ANY HOSPITAL-BASED CHIROPRACTORS READING?

The MD-obstetrician minor surgery fraud (episiotomy) occurs simultaneously
with MD-obstetrician SPINAL MANIPULATION FRAUD...

With birth canals senselessly closed up to 30%...

MDs are violently pushing on tiny spines (with oxytocin, Cytotec and PGE2)
and gruesomely pulling (with hands, forceps, vacuums) - with birth canals
senselessly closed up to 30%.

Some babies die - some are paralyzed - but most "only" have their necks
gruesomely wrenched.

It's a massive MD spinal manipulation crime.

ALL spinal manipulation is gruesome with the birth canal senselessly closed
up to 30%.

See Criminal medical CAM at Hawai'i's John A Burns School of Medicine
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2256

And see: Helping baby open birth canal (Why obstetrics is criminal medical
CAM)...
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2391

NOTE: American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward MALES is
also an obvious health fraud.

See Difference between God and an MD?
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2438

MORE ON THE EPISIOTOMY FRAUD...

Michael C. Klein, MD writes: "[E]pisiotomy is a deliberate second degree
tear." [Birth. Letter.
2002;29(1):74]

Some MDs are still claiming (fraudulently) that their episiotomies are
*preventing*
severe tears clear to the anus when in fact MDs are CAUSING severe tears
clear to the anus!

In 1990 the National Institutes of Health researched the issue and found
that deliberate tears by
MDs (episiotomies) cause fifty times MORE severe tears (tears clear to the
anus) relative to leaving the vagina alone.[Shiono et al. Obstet Gynecol
1990;75(5):765-70. In Klein et al. Online J Curr Clin Trials
(Jul1)1992, Doc. No. 10]

AS IF THAT WEREN'T BAD ENOUGH...

MDs are not only hospitalizing women DURING birth - via their minor surgery
fraud - they are using birth to
hospitalize women AFTER birth!

Leo Sorger, MD says,

"...once the perineum is cut, the incision may be extended further during
the
birth. This results in greater damage than if the tissues had torn only the
amount required and following natural lines of stretch."
http://www.elizabethnoble.com/episiotomy.html

BOTTOMLINE (it's a doozy!):

Episiotomy causes trauma to the perineum due to childbirth and,

"The most common diagnosis for hospitalization among all women is trauma to
perineum due to childbirth."
http://www.ahcpr.gov/data/hcup/factbk3/factbk3.htm

MDs are deliberately/senselessly traumatizing perinea - and
calling it "childbirth." (!)

This is not childbirth! This is MEDICAL birth - obvious criminal activity...

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo


Now for the PROOF that OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%...

According to the Merck Manual:

"When shoulder dystocia occurs...the mother's thighs are hyperflexed to
increase the diameter of the pelvic outlet..."
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanu...er253/253g.jsp

WHY are OBs and CNMwives (nurse midwives) waiting until the
head is
out and shoulders get stuck before giving the baby maximum pelvic outlet
diameter?

WHY are we letting OBs and CNMwives force babies' heads through birth canals
senselessly closed up to 30%?

For PROOF that OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%, scroll up a
little...

PREGNANT WOMEN: It is EASY for you to allow your birth canal to OPEN the
"extra" up
to 30%.
Just roll onto your side as you push your baby out - or deliver on
hands-and-knees, kneeling, standing, squatting, etc.

BEWARE though: Some MDs and MBs will let you "try" "alternative"
delivery positions but will move you back to dorsal or semisitting (close
your birth canal!) as you push your baby out!

Talk to your MD or MB about this TODAY. (For further details see the
"Criminal medical CAM" URLs above.)

MDs/MBs: If you must push or pull - and sometimes you must - first get the
woman off her sacrum - off her back/butt.


  #4  
Old April 16th 04, 11:08 PM
Todd Gastaldo
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Default Episiotomy: 'nice' violence against women performed by 'nice' MDs (I'm speaking of ROUTINE episiotomy, of course.)

EMMA APPEARS TO BE A NURSE...

EMMA WORRIES ABOUT "PAIN AND PALSY"...

"At my University we do NOT do the dorsogluteal [injections]...I hope you
don't let anyone 'practice' a dorsogluteal on you. Sciatic
injury (if some idiot can't landmark) can cause pain and palsy."
http://mailgate.supereva.it/bit/bit..../msg00015.html

Emma! I'm worried about "pain and palsy" too!

Sometimes, with the birth canal senselessly closed up to 30% - OBs pull so
hard they actually rip spinal nerves out of tiny spinal cords!

This can cause Erb's palsy - and no doubt MAJOR pain...

Emma, would you find out if MD/MBs and midwives at your hospital are closing
birth canals up to 30% (by using dorsal and semisitting delivery)?

Thanks,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo



"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
link.net...
IS EMMA A NURSE?

OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%. See PROOF below.

PREGNANT WOMEN: See the very end of this post for simple instructions on
how to allow your birth canal to open the "extra" up to 30%...

"Emma Chase VanCott" wrote in message
...
I read once that women in the Netherlands have an episiotomy rate of

20%,
whereas women in N. America have a rate of 80-90%.

The writer stated that the higher rate was thought to be due poor
management of the 2nd stage of labour.

Does anyone have thoughts as to why?


Emma, I have a thought or two about poor management of the 2nd stage of
labour...

Are you a nurse Emma?
http://www.aboutmytalk.com/t77749/s&.html

If so, have you talked to MDs/MBs/midwives at your hospital - assuming it
has a maternity ward?

Regardless, what did you think about what I wrote in the post that you
snipped?

Here it is again for your convenience...

American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward
females is obvious vagina fraud associated with spinal manipulation fraud
that sometimes paralyzes babies - sometimes KILLS babies - but usually
"only" wrenches babies' necks...

MD-obstetricians are slicing vaginas en masse (euphemism
"routine episiotomy") - surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring that everything
possible has been done to OPEN the birth canal - even as they CLOSE the
birth
canal up to 30%.

MD-obstetricians are *knowingly* closing birth canals up to 30%. See

PROOF
at the very end of this post.

ANY HOSPITAL-BASED CHIROPRACTORS READING?

The MD-obstetrician minor surgery fraud (episiotomy) occurs simultaneously
with MD-obstetrician SPINAL MANIPULATION FRAUD...

With birth canals senselessly closed up to 30%...

MDs are violently pushing on tiny spines (with oxytocin, Cytotec and PGE2)
and gruesomely pulling (with hands, forceps, vacuums) - with birth canals
senselessly closed up to 30%.

Some babies die - some are paralyzed - but most "only" have their necks
gruesomely wrenched.

It's a massive MD spinal manipulation crime.

ALL spinal manipulation is gruesome with the birth canal senselessly

closed
up to 30%.

See Criminal medical CAM at Hawai'i's John A Burns School of Medicine
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2256

And see: Helping baby open birth canal (Why obstetrics is criminal medical
CAM)...
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2391

NOTE: American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward MALES is
also an obvious health fraud.

See Difference between God and an MD?
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2438

MORE ON THE EPISIOTOMY FRAUD...

Michael C. Klein, MD writes: "[E]pisiotomy is a deliberate second degree
tear." [Birth. Letter.
2002;29(1):74]

Some MDs are still claiming (fraudulently) that their episiotomies are
*preventing*
severe tears clear to the anus when in fact MDs are CAUSING severe tears
clear to the anus!

In 1990 the National Institutes of Health researched the issue and found
that deliberate tears by
MDs (episiotomies) cause fifty times MORE severe tears (tears clear to the
anus) relative to leaving the vagina alone.[Shiono et al. Obstet Gynecol
1990;75(5):765-70. In Klein et al. Online J Curr Clin Trials
(Jul1)1992, Doc. No. 10]

AS IF THAT WEREN'T BAD ENOUGH...

MDs are not only hospitalizing women DURING birth - via their minor

surgery
fraud - they are using birth to
hospitalize women AFTER birth!

Leo Sorger, MD says,

"...once the perineum is cut, the incision may be extended further during
the
birth. This results in greater damage than if the tissues had torn only

the
amount required and following natural lines of stretch."
http://www.elizabethnoble.com/episiotomy.html

BOTTOMLINE (it's a doozy!):

Episiotomy causes trauma to the perineum due to childbirth and,

"The most common diagnosis for hospitalization among all women is trauma

to
perineum due to childbirth."
http://www.ahcpr.gov/data/hcup/factbk3/factbk3.htm

MDs are deliberately/senselessly traumatizing perinea - and
calling it "childbirth." (!)

This is not childbirth! This is MEDICAL birth - obvious criminal

activity...

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo


Now for the PROOF that OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%...

According to the Merck Manual:

"When shoulder dystocia occurs...the mother's thighs are hyperflexed to
increase the diameter of the pelvic outlet..."
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanu...er253/253g.jsp

WHY are OBs and CNMwives (nurse midwives) waiting until the
head is
out and shoulders get stuck before giving the baby maximum pelvic outlet
diameter?

WHY are we letting OBs and CNMwives force babies' heads through birth

canals
senselessly closed up to 30%?

For PROOF that OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%, scroll up

a
little...

PREGNANT WOMEN: It is EASY for you to allow your birth canal to OPEN the
"extra" up
to 30%.
Just roll onto your side as you push your baby out - or deliver on
hands-and-knees, kneeling, standing, squatting, etc.

BEWARE though: Some MDs and MBs will let you "try" "alternative"
delivery positions but will move you back to dorsal or semisitting (close
your birth canal!) as you push your baby out!

Talk to your MD or MB about this TODAY. (For further details see the
"Criminal medical CAM" URLs above.)

MDs/MBs: If you must push or pull - and sometimes you must - first get

the
woman off her sacrum - off her back/butt.




  #5  
Old April 17th 04, 01:31 AM
Kat
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Default Episiotomy:


"Emma Chase VanCott" wrote in message
...
I read once that women in the Netherlands have an episiotomy rate of 20%,
whereas women in N. America have a rate of 80-90%.

The writer stated that the higher rate was thought to be due poor
management of the 2nd stage of labour.

Does anyone have thoughts as to why?


Thanks folks,

Emma

To email: remove NOSPAM


From my own experience and watching my Best Friend in labor...What they are
talking about is that Drs and some midwives rush the pushing stage. they
pretty much want the baby out when they want it instead of letting the mom
and baby take their time about it. Tears are also more common because
instead of waiting for the skin/muscle to stretch "they" have the mom push
through teh "ring of fire". Also the whole stretching of the perineum can
cause inflammation to the point where tearing or episotomy are more likely
to occur. HOpe that was clear:-)
Kat
Mama to Maggie 11/03/01
and Will 02/10/04


  #6  
Old April 17th 04, 04:47 AM
Naomi Pardue
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Default Episiotomy:

I read once that women in the Netherlands have an episiotomy rate of 20%,
whereas women in N. America have a rate of 80-90%.


I believe the current rate of episiotomy is considerably lower than that,
though still higher than 20%.

The writer stated that the higher rate was thought to be due poor
management of the 2nd stage of labour.

Does anyone have thoughts as to why?


It is largely due, I think, to differences in beliefs. For many years it was
thought that episiotomy was necessary; that if the doctor didn't cut, the
perineum would tear -- and a cut was supposed to be better than a tear. The
idea that women's bodies were MADE to do this hadn't occured to anyone! (There
was also concern that the baby's head, pushing against the perineum might cause
brain damage for the baby.)

So yes, the second stage was 'badly managed', but it was mostly managed with
the assumption that, once baby crowned, the doctor would cut the episiotomy and
the birth would proceed.

Then, about a decade ago, some studies found that episiotomies were actually
not helpful at all. That serious tears were actually MORE common in women who'd
had them, and that, shoud a tear occur (not inevetable, of course), it usually
healed better or more rapidly than a cut.

Since then, the episiotomy rate in this country HAS been dropping, though many
OBs still do them routinely, because they still don't know how to manage the
birth without it.


Naomi
CAPPA Certified Lactation Educator

(either remove spamblock or change address to to e-mail
reply.)
  #7  
Old April 17th 04, 12:42 PM
Welches
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Default Episiotomy:


Naomi Pardue wrote in message
...
I read once that women in the Netherlands have an episiotomy rate of 20%,
whereas women in N. America have a rate of 80-90%.


I believe the current rate of episiotomy is considerably lower than that,
though still higher than 20%.

The writer stated that the higher rate was thought to be due poor
management of the 2nd stage of labour.

Does anyone have thoughts as to why?


It is largely due, I think, to differences in beliefs. For many years it

was
thought that episiotomy was necessary; that if the doctor didn't cut, the
perineum would tear -- and a cut was supposed to be better than a tear.

The
idea that women's bodies were MADE to do this hadn't occured to anyone!

(There
was also concern that the baby's head, pushing against the perineum might

cause
brain damage for the baby.)

Also Mum had an episiotomy for #1 due to forcepts delivery. With #2 she was
told that as she'd been cut once they "had" to cut again or it would tear
which would be worse. With #3 (4yrs later) they said they didn't routinely
cut now and she didn't tear. She reckons that she wouldn't have torn with #2
now.
Debbie


  #8  
Old April 17th 04, 09:40 PM
Anne Rogers
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Default Episiotomy:

Also Mum had an episiotomy for #1 due to forcepts delivery. With #2 she was
told that as she'd been cut once they "had" to cut again or it would tear
which would be worse. With #3 (4yrs later) they said they didn't routinely
cut now and she didn't tear. She reckons that she wouldn't have torn with #2
now.


It's a sad thing that many of the older women I talk to, mum, mother in
law, grandmother etc. all had this routinely and hated it. My MIL has
obstetric training and managed to convince her attendents not to give her
an epi the 2nd time, she birthed a 9lber without tearing even with a
previous scar, left hospital 6 hours later, very unusual 20 years ago.

It also seems that women felt they had no control over there deliveries
and didn't even ask, my mum certainly seems to have emotional scars,
particularly from her 2nd delivery, she wanted to breastfeed the baby
straight away, but they wouldn't let her as the placenta hadn't detached,
she knew that breastfeeding should help that, but no one would listen.
 




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