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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
Kane wrote
If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
On Jun 30, 7:17 pm, Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! Which of my questions are hostile? |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
On Jun 30, 6:42 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 30, 7:17 pm, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! Which of my questions are hostile? This is about your advice. Kane already described his eagerness to kiss caseworker ass. That IS your advice, isn't it? I have asked you many times, WHY would anybody need ""advice"" on how to kiss their caseworkers ass and do everything they ask? |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, Greegor wrote:
On Jun 30, 6:42 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 30, 7:17 pm, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! Which of my questions are hostile? This is about your advice. No it's not. You said my interrigation was hostie. I asked which questions were hostile to clarify what you were saying. Kane already described his eagerness to kiss caseworker ass. I never saw that. That IS your advice, isn't it? What is? I have asked you many times, WHY would anybody need ""advice"" on how to kiss their caseworkers ass and do everything they ask? I don't advise anyone to kiss anyone's ass. |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
On Jun 30, 7:54 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, Greegor wrote: On Jun 30, 6:42 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 30, 7:17 pm, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! Which of my questions are hostile? This is about your advice. No it's not. You said my interrigation was hostie. I asked which questions were hostile to clarify what you were saying. Kane already described his eagerness to kiss caseworker ass. Dan Sullivan wrote I never saw that. You QUOTED IT! Didn't you see what you QUOTED? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...8?dmode=source That IS your advice, isn't it? What is? I have asked you many times, WHY would anybody need ""advice"" on how to kiss their caseworkers ass and do everything they ask? I don't advise anyone to kiss anyone's ass. Kane seems to think you do. |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
On Jun 30, 9:40 pm, Greegor wrote:
On Jun 30, 7:54 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 30, 8:15 pm, Greegor wrote: On Jun 30, 6:42 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 30, 7:17 pm, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! Which of my questions are hostile? This is about your advice. No it's not. You said my interrigation was hostie. I asked which questions were hostile to clarify what you were saying. Kane already described his eagerness to kiss caseworker ass. Dan Sullivan wrote I never saw that. You QUOTED IT! Didn't you see what you QUOTED? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...c15d474bca246d... No, asshole, I quoted your post. I don't know that Kane said that. |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
Dan Sullivan (Mister Charm) wrote
No, asshole, I quoted your post. I don't know that Kane said that. You QUOTED it. Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
On Jul 2, 1:13 am, "0:-]" wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:15:22 -0700, Greegor wrote: On Jun 30, 6:42 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 30, 7:17 pm, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! Which of my questions are hostile? This is about your advice. Kane already described his eagerness to kiss caseworker ass. That IS your advice, isn't it? You are lying. I have asked you many times, WHY would anybody need ""advice"" on how to kiss their caseworkers ass and do everything they ask? Since he doesn't advise that, nor do I, and can speak ONLY fore myself, Greg, as I did, your question constitutes a rhetorical question LIE. The answer is as obvious as your attempt to change other's meaning. Now one needs advice on how to kiss ass. Everyone that has a child at risk with CPS needs to know how to preempt the process as early as possible. The Christine's lawyer said so, and Dan said so. Quote please? I concur. On Jul 2, 1:05 am, "0:-]" wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:17:33 -0700, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. They don't ask that. Do you need another english lesson? "If" is the operative word here. Is it about semantics or is it about the attitude you convey in regard to due process and legal rights? Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? Nope. His is to preempt the worker, the judge, the whole court number. Golly, in their zeal, telling lies and perjuring to make a case, altering transcripts, etc. You think that they are going to be so easily preempted? Like using your body to ""stop"" a steam roller. Yeah, right. A number of the cases are downright insane. One woman here was told by a counselor to take her daughter for a sex abuse exam. Before that the mother had taken photos of the child's genitalia with bruising. The exam couldn't prove SA but could not rule it out. The court got angry that she had taken the photos got threatening and ordered them destroyed. They took the kid away apparently because the mother was overprotective and over reactive. But wait... rememember she had been told by a counselor to take the child for a sex abuse exam? Lawyers did NOT help this mother. The steam roller squashed her flat. Submitting to services didn't help. Aren't you glad she listened to the counselor and protected the child? TPR'd. Placed with the father. With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! I do believe you are projecting. Do you recall your recent conversation on vegetarianism? -:] Does that mean you think I am a vegan? |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
On Jul 2, 5:27 am, Greegor wrote:
On Jul 2, 1:13 am, "0:-]" wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:15:22 -0700, Greegor wrote: On Jun 30, 6:42 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 30, 7:17 pm, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! Which of my questions are hostile? This is about your advice. Kane already described his eagerness to kiss caseworker ass. That IS your advice, isn't it? You are lying. I have asked you many times, WHY would anybody need ""advice"" on how to kiss their caseworkers ass and do everything they ask? Since he doesn't advise that, nor do I, and can speak ONLY fore myself, Greg, as I did, your question constitutes a rhetorical question LIE. The answer is as obvious as your attempt to change other's meaning. Now one needs advice on how to kiss ass. Everyone that has a child at risk with CPS needs to know how to preempt the process as early as possible. The Christine's lawyer said so, and Dan said so. Quote please? You're such a moron. " Play by the rules towards the quickest exit possible... all other approaches will end in disappointment." The title of another thread you responded twice to. I concur. On Jul 2, 1:05 am, "0:-]" wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:17:33 -0700, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. They don't ask that. Do you need another english lesson? "If" is the operative word here. Is it about semantics or is it about the attitude you convey in regard to due process and legal rights? ??? Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? Nope. His is to preempt the worker, the judge, the whole court number. Golly, in their zeal, telling lies and perjuring to make a case, altering transcripts, etc. You think that they are going to be so easily preempted? Like using your body to ""stop"" a steam roller. Yeah, right. Among a host of other enormous mistakes that precipitated the removal, you screwed Lisa's case from the start by having her father, a retired policeman, arrested. After all that she still could have gotten her daughter back... IN 2001!!! A number of the cases are downright insane. One woman here... snip You ask what I suggest families do to get their children back from CPS ASAP and after I respond you go into stories of people who never had decent advice on how to deal with the system. In fact they (like the Christines) probably had advice from morons like yourself, Greg. Is it any wonder the people who go to "Constitutionalists" websites like the one Mr.Steele mentioned, rarely get their children back! |
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The quality and extent of Dan's advice
On Jul 2, 8:17 am, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jul 2, 5:27 am, Greegor wrote: On Jul 2, 1:13 am, "0:-]" wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:15:22 -0700, Greegor wrote: On Jun 30, 6:42 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 30, 7:17 pm, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? With your hostile interrogation I'm starting to think you don't have any real advice! Which of my questions are hostile? This is about your advice. Kane already described his eagerness to kiss caseworker ass. That IS your advice, isn't it? You are lying. I have asked you many times, WHY would anybody need ""advice"" on how to kiss their caseworkers ass and do everything they ask? Since he doesn't advise that, nor do I, and can speak ONLY fore myself, Greg, as I did, your question constitutes a rhetorical question LIE. The answer is as obvious as your attempt to change other's meaning. Now one needs advice on how to kiss ass. Everyone that has a child at risk with CPS needs to know how to preempt the process as early as possible. The Christine's lawyer said so, and Dan said so. Quote please? You're such a moron. " Play by the rules towards the quickest exit possible... all other approaches will end in disappointment." The title of another thread you responded twice to. I concur. On Jul 2, 1:05 am, "0:-]" wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:17:33 -0700, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote If it was MY child and the caseworker said "kiss my ass right here," I'd ask that they mark the spot so I wouldn't miss. This I believe. You practice constantly. They don't ask that. Do you need another english lesson? "If" is the operative word here. Is it about semantics or is it about the attitude you convey in regard to due process and legal rights? ??? Dan: Isn't that YOUR advice also? Nope. His is to preempt the worker, the judge, the whole court number. Golly, in their zeal, telling lies and perjuring to make a case, altering transcripts, etc. You think that they are going to be so easily preempted? Like using your body to ""stop"" a steam roller. Yeah, right. Among a host of other enormous mistakes that precipitated the removal, you screwed Lisa's case from the start by having her father, a retired policeman, arrested. After all that she still could have gotten her daughter back... IN 2001!!! A number of the cases are downright insane. One woman here... snip You ask what I suggest families do to get their children back from CPS ASAP and after I respond you go into stories of people who never had decent advice on how to deal with the system. In fact they (like the Christines) probably had advice from morons like yourself, Greg. Is it any wonder the people who go to "Constitutionalists" websites like the one Mr.Steele mentioned, rarely get their children back! Greg...geez you would think that after all this time, you would realize that what Dan suggests actually does work. I will use my case for an example. I was told it would take a very long time, due to the backlog of the system, my CW going abroad for 8 weeks right after he was assigned our case and other variable, to get our case going let alone get the boys back home. Well, during that extended halt in our case, I talked with Dan. We had our parenting classes, drug and alcohol evals done, got into counseling and moved. When our CW came back and started everything up for us, he was taken aback because we had already started and/or completed alot of the services he was going to have ordered for us. The second time in court? Well, you know what happened. Our boys came home. Can you say the same thing? Of course you can't. You often question me about how to get services removed from your caseplan. I have told you over and over again, you approach the situation calmly and rationally and ask WHY those services are needed. Calmly and rationally, you make them prove you need the services. If they can't prove it, then the next best thing to do is have the services removed. It does work if you approach the matter in a mature, rational manner. Self advocacy...ever heard of it? And again, parenting classes never hurt anyone. Counseling can be beneficial post child removal or at the threat of removal. And if you aren't drugging or a falling down drunk, why be ****ed at taking a drug and alcohol eval? Yes, it's a pain in the ass and bothersome but in an hour, it will be done and over with. This constitutional defense crap while your kids are in care is nothing short of going down the road to eventual TPR or permanent foster care. I bet you get hard and even orgasmic when you see someone following that advice and they lose their children forever. |
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