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Old November 11th 03, 05:27 PM
Kane
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On 10 Nov 2003 22:55:52 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Bobb, Watch them tear into it, insult you, mince words and use
sophistry
all in an attempt to overcome your common sense and truth.


There is no need for your to pump up your victimhood, or bobb's. You
make perfect victims of yourselves all by your lonesome.

Lots of worthwhile persuits that kids used to be able to do are now
considered too dangerous.


Bull****.

I remember taking a 5 horse Johnson
outboard on a little Alumacraft boat and exploring all around a huge
lake alone when I was about 9 years old.


Who stops children of 9 from doing these things today? My neighborhood
is full of kids that are out and about doing such things.

Visited farm kids that could
roam all over a considerable territory far from constant supervision.


I live in farm and ranch country, and grew up in similar country, and
kids today are doing just what they did when I was a kid. While their
wheeled transport is either a bit more sophisticated (better bikes) or
powered, there are still packs of kids wandering around on horseback.

Took firearm safety training IN the public school,


They still do around here. I see kids wandering down the road year
around with either fishing tackle or a gun in hand. You are a
sit-on-your-ass know nothing, Greegor. When are you going to get a
job?

Ed spent a week on Trap Shooting.


Yesterday called my friends that own the local country store and they
sent their 15 year old over to shoot the buck that's been savaging my
roses so badly. I suspect I'll get a little venison out of it.

She took him down with her shotgun and double ought. One shot, bleed
him out and field dressed him herself.

(I discovered I had a natural ability, classmates were impressed.)


Awww...we are impressed. I was shooting game at 9, including deer.
First elk at 15. Bear the same year.

And kids in my neighborhood are doing just about the same. When I went
out for the paper about 30 minutes ago I stopped going out of the
place to admire the hunting pics for 2003 tacked up on the back of the
door.

They all stop at the store to do the paperwork reporting their kills
and the store owner always takes a few photos.

Out of about 15 pics half were of kids with elk, deer, and one was
standing by a black bear he had shot.

If we let the Social Workers continue to cover the world with NERF
foam,
we will become a nation of "hothouse flowers", a bunch of panzies.


You and bobb are full of ****. No such thing goes on.

Where do you think the young men and women fighting in Iraq come from?
You wouldn't last an hour under such conditions. You'd be looking for
little girls to give showers to. And whining and complaining and
lying.

Life is risk. A life with no risk at all might not be worth living.


Sure is. Those pop cans have sharp edges on the opening. And you could
break a nail on those heavy pop bottles. Be careful.

You two are a wonder.

Every reader that has access to areas outside the city knows damn well
you are lying through your teeth. And not a few in the city for that
matter.

There are a few safety laws today that provide just a bit more
protection for children in hunting, farming, and ranching situations
but kids are still getting out there and still having the occasional
accident.

If CPS workers were so damn successful in wrapping kids in nerf foam
why am I seeing in the media that children are still dying on occasion
from excessive exploritory exhuberance?

You and bobb are a couple of mastubatory wonders.

snip....bobb's drivel about lazy overprotected children.....since I
already answered it in another post.

Kane
  #2  
Old November 12th 03, 05:44 PM
bobb
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wrote in message
...
(Kane) wrote:
On 10 Nov 2003 22:55:52 -0800,
(Greg Hanson)
wrote:
Bobb, Watch them tear into it, insult you, mince words and use
sophistry
all in an attempt to overcome your common sense and truth.

There is no need for your to pump up your victimhood, or bobb's. You
make perfect victims of yourselves all by your lonesome.
Lots of worthwhile persuits that kids used to be able to do are now
considered too dangerous.

Bull****.
I remember taking a 5 horse Johnson
outboard on a little Alumacraft boat and exploring all around a huge
lake alone when I was about 9 years old.

Who stops children of 9 from doing these things today? My neighborhood
is full of kids that are out and about doing such things.
Visited farm kids that could
roam all over a considerable territory far from constant supervision.

I live in farm and ranch country, and grew up in similar country, and
kids today are doing just what they did when I was a kid. While their
wheeled transport is either a bit more sophisticated (better bikes) or
powered, there are still packs of kids wandering around on horseback.
Took firearm safety training IN the public school,

They still do around here. I see kids wandering down the road year
around with either fishing tackle or a gun in hand. You are a
sit-on-your-ass know nothing, Greegor. When are you going to get a
job?
Ed spent a week on Trap Shooting.

Yesterday called my friends that own the local country store and they
sent their 15 year old over to shoot the buck that's been savaging my
roses so badly. I suspect I'll get a little venison out of it.
She took him down with her shotgun and double ought. One shot, bleed
him out and field dressed him herself.
(I discovered I had a natural ability, classmates were impressed.)

Awww...we are impressed. I was shooting game at 9, including deer.
First elk at 15. Bear the same year.
And kids in my neighborhood are doing just about the same. When I went
out for the paper about 30 minutes ago I stopped going out of the
place to admire the hunting pics for 2003 tacked up on the back of the
door.
They all stop at the store to do the paperwork reporting their kills
and the store owner always takes a few photos.
Out of about 15 pics half were of kids with elk, deer, and one was
standing by a black bear he had shot.
If we let the Social Workers continue to cover the world with NERF
foam,
we will become a nation of "hothouse flowers", a bunch of panzies.

You and bobb are full of ****. No such thing goes on.
Where do you think the young men and women fighting in Iraq come from?
You wouldn't last an hour under such conditions. You'd be looking for
little girls to give showers to. And whining and complaining and
lying.
Life is risk. A life with no risk at all might not be worth living.

Sure is. Those pop cans have sharp edges on the opening. And you could
break a nail on those heavy pop bottles. Be careful.
You two are a wonder.
Every reader that has access to areas outside the city knows damn well
you are lying through your teeth. And not a few in the city for that
matter.
There are a few safety laws today that provide just a bit more
protection for children in hunting, farming, and ranching situations
but kids are still getting out there and still having the occasional
accident.
If CPS workers were so damn successful in wrapping kids in nerf foam
why am I seeing in the media that children are still dying on occasion
from excessive exploritory exhuberance?
You and bobb are a couple of mastubatory wonders.
snip....bobb's drivel about lazy overprotected children.....since I
already answered it in another post.
Kane

There's nothing McBragg can't do.
Hunting and trapping and gold miner mapping
And flying to Timbuktu.
Roping and riding and Indian guiding
Commander McBragg comes through.
This is the World of Commander McBragg
Your head will whirl in the World of McBragg.
He can do anything in his world he's a king
Or so says the brag of McBragg.
http://tinyurl.com/ucs4


I wondered if I was the only one who noticed ... but I didn't know how to
respond. You did... and very much to the point.

bobb


  #3  
Old November 13th 03, 09:50 AM
Greg Hanson
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LaVonne:
Do you think chores should be assigned as discipline?
I made sure to attach all of the background so you
have the complete context of the question over on
alt.parenting.spanking
I wouldn't want Kane's good buddies to miss a bit of it.

Kane's theme song
There's nothing McBragg can't do.
Hunting and trapping and gold miner mapping
And flying to Timbuktu.
Roping and riding and Indian guiding
Commander McBragg comes through.
This is the World of Commander McBragg
Your head will whirl in the World of McBragg.
He can do anything in his world he's a king
Or so says the brag of McBragg.


http://tinyurl.com/ucs4

It's a small JPEG picture of Commander McBragg and his sidekick.
Thanks lynx.

"bobb" wrote in message thlink.net...
wrote in message
...
(Kane) wrote:
On 10 Nov 2003 22:55:52 -0800,
(Greg Hanson)
wrote:
Bobb, Watch them tear into it, insult you, mince words and use
sophistry
all in an attempt to overcome your common sense and truth.
There is no need for your to pump up your victimhood, or bobb's. You
make perfect victims of yourselves all by your lonesome.
Lots of worthwhile persuits that kids used to be able to do are now
considered too dangerous.

[e.d.].
I remember taking a 5 horse Johnson
outboard on a little Alumacraft boat and exploring all around a huge
lake alone when I was about 9 years old.
Who stops children of 9 from doing these things today? My neighborhood
is full of kids that are out and about doing such things.
Visited farm kids that could
roam all over a considerable territory far from constant supervision.
I live in farm and ranch country, and grew up in similar country, and
kids today are doing just what they did when I was a kid. While their
wheeled transport is either a bit more sophisticated (better bikes) or
powered, there are still packs of kids wandering around on horseback.
Took firearm safety training IN the public school,
They still do around here. I see kids wandering down the road year
around with either fishing tackle or a gun in hand. You are a
sit-on-your-ass know nothing, Greegor. When are you going to get a
job?
[In school Physical Ed] spent a week on Trap Shooting.
Yesterday called my friends that own the local country store and they
sent their 15 year old over to shoot the buck that's been savaging my
roses so badly. I suspect I'll get a little venison out of it.
She took him down with her shotgun and double ought. One shot, bleed
him out and field dressed him herself.
(I discovered I had a natural ability, classmates were impressed.)
Awww...we are impressed. I was shooting game at 9, including deer.
First elk at 15. Bear the same year.
And kids in my neighborhood are doing just about the same. When I went
out for the paper about 30 minutes ago I stopped going out of the
place to admire the hunting pics for 2003 tacked up on the back of the
door.
They all stop at the store to do the paperwork reporting their kills
and the store owner always takes a few photos.
Out of about 15 pics half were of kids with elk, deer, and one was
standing by a black bear he had shot.
If we let the Social Workers continue to cover the world with NERF
foam,
we will become a nation of "hothouse flowers", a bunch of panzies.
You and bobb are full of [e.d.]. No such thing goes on.
Where do you think the young men and women fighting in Iraq come from?
You wouldn't last an hour under such conditions. You'd be looking for
little girls to give showers to. And whining and complaining and
lying.
Life is risk. A life with no risk at all might not be worth living.
Sure is. Those pop cans have sharp edges on the opening. And you could
break a nail on those heavy pop bottles. Be careful.
You two are a wonder.
Every reader that has access to areas outside the city knows damn well
you are lying through your teeth. And not a few in the city for that
matter.
There are a few safety laws today that provide just a bit more
protection for children in hunting, farming, and ranching situations
but kids are still getting out there and still having the occasional
accident.
If CPS workers were so damn successful in wrapping kids in nerf foam
why am I seeing in the media that children are still dying on occasion
from excessive exploritory exhuberance?
You and bobb are a couple of mastubatory wonders.
snip....bobb's drivel about lazy overprotected children.....since I
already answered it in another post.
Kane

There's nothing McBragg can't do.
Hunting and trapping and gold miner mapping
And flying to Timbuktu.
Roping and riding and Indian guiding
Commander McBragg comes through.
This is the World of Commander McBragg
Your head will whirl in the World of McBragg.
He can do anything in his world he's a king
Or so says the brag of McBragg.
http://tinyurl.com/ucs4

I wondered if I was the only one who noticed ... but I didn't know how to
respond. You did... and very much to the point.

bobb

  #4  
Old November 14th 03, 12:54 AM
Kane
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(Greg Hanson) wrote in message om...
LaVonne:
Do you think chores should be assigned as discipline?
I made sure to attach all of the background so you
have the complete context of the question over on
alt.parenting.spanking
I wouldn't want Kane's good buddies to miss a bit of it.


Me either. It's so patently stupid as to be entertaining, in a strange
sort of way. But that fits with YOUR accomplishments....just about
nothing at all but bottle and can recycling.

As for the question....could you point out in the post where this was
brought up....chores for discipline?

Me, I don't hold with it. The cooperative nature of the family, where
everyone contributes and is valued for that contribution, among other
things, is extremely important to a child's sense of self worth.

Was that a problem for you as a child?

Is that why you asked the question?

Kane





Kane's theme song
There's nothing McBragg can't do.
Hunting and trapping and gold miner mapping
And flying to Timbuktu.
Roping and riding and Indian guiding
Commander McBragg comes through.
This is the World of Commander McBragg
Your head will whirl in the World of McBragg.
He can do anything in his world he's a king
Or so says the brag of McBragg.


http://tinyurl.com/ucs4
It's a small JPEG picture of Commander McBragg and his sidekick.
Thanks lynx.

"bobb" wrote in message thlink.net...
wrote in message
...
(Kane) wrote:
On 10 Nov 2003 22:55:52 -0800,
(Greg Hanson)
wrote:
Bobb, Watch them tear into it, insult you, mince words and use
sophistry
all in an attempt to overcome your common sense and truth.
There is no need for your to pump up your victimhood, or bobb's. You
make perfect victims of yourselves all by your lonesome.
Lots of worthwhile persuits that kids used to be able to do are now
considered too dangerous.

[e.d.].
I remember taking a 5 horse Johnson
outboard on a little Alumacraft boat and exploring all around a huge
lake alone when I was about 9 years old.
Who stops children of 9 from doing these things today? My neighborhood
is full of kids that are out and about doing such things.
Visited farm kids that could
roam all over a considerable territory far from constant supervision.
I live in farm and ranch country, and grew up in similar country, and
kids today are doing just what they did when I was a kid. While their
wheeled transport is either a bit more sophisticated (better bikes) or
powered, there are still packs of kids wandering around on horseback.
Took firearm safety training IN the public school,
They still do around here. I see kids wandering down the road year
around with either fishing tackle or a gun in hand. You are a
sit-on-your-ass know nothing, Greegor. When are you going to get a
job?
[In school Physical Ed] spent a week on Trap Shooting.
Yesterday called my friends that own the local country store and they
sent their 15 year old over to shoot the buck that's been savaging my
roses so badly. I suspect I'll get a little venison out of it.
She took him down with her shotgun and double ought. One shot, bleed
him out and field dressed him herself.
(I discovered I had a natural ability, classmates were impressed.)
Awww...we are impressed. I was shooting game at 9, including deer.
First elk at 15. Bear the same year.
And kids in my neighborhood are doing just about the same. When I went
out for the paper about 30 minutes ago I stopped going out of the
place to admire the hunting pics for 2003 tacked up on the back of the
door.
They all stop at the store to do the paperwork reporting their kills
and the store owner always takes a few photos.
Out of about 15 pics half were of kids with elk, deer, and one was
standing by a black bear he had shot.
If we let the Social Workers continue to cover the world with NERF
foam,
we will become a nation of "hothouse flowers", a bunch of panzies.
You and bobb are full of [e.d.]. No such thing goes on.
Where do you think the young men and women fighting in Iraq come from?
You wouldn't last an hour under such conditions. You'd be looking for
little girls to give showers to. And whining and complaining and
lying.
Life is risk. A life with no risk at all might not be worth living.
Sure is. Those pop cans have sharp edges on the opening. And you could
break a nail on those heavy pop bottles. Be careful.
You two are a wonder.
Every reader that has access to areas outside the city knows damn well
you are lying through your teeth. And not a few in the city for that
matter.
There are a few safety laws today that provide just a bit more
protection for children in hunting, farming, and ranching situations
but kids are still getting out there and still having the occasional
accident.
If CPS workers were so damn successful in wrapping kids in nerf foam
why am I seeing in the media that children are still dying on occasion
from excessive exploritory exhuberance?
You and bobb are a couple of mastubatory wonders.
snip....bobb's drivel about lazy overprotected children.....since I
already answered it in another post.
Kane
There's nothing McBragg can't do.
Hunting and trapping and gold miner mapping
And flying to Timbuktu.
Roping and riding and Indian guiding
Commander McBragg comes through.
This is the World of Commander McBragg
Your head will whirl in the World of McBragg.
He can do anything in his world he's a king
Or so says the brag of McBragg.
http://tinyurl.com/ucs4

I wondered if I was the only one who noticed ... but I didn't know how to
respond. You did... and very much to the point.

bobb

  #5  
Old November 14th 03, 01:39 AM
LaVonne Carlson
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Greg Hanson wrote:

LaVonne:
Do you think chores should be assigned as discipline?


Of course not. Chores are what one does routinely because one is a member of a family group. Chores teach
children group membership and responsibility. What would chores ever have to do with discipline? What a bizarre
post.

LaVonne


I made sure to attach all of the background so you
have the complete context of the question over on
alt.parenting.spanking
I wouldn't want Kane's good buddies to miss a bit of it.

Kane's theme song
There's nothing McBragg can't do.
Hunting and trapping and gold miner mapping
And flying to Timbuktu.
Roping and riding and Indian guiding
Commander McBragg comes through.
This is the World of Commander McBragg
Your head will whirl in the World of McBragg.
He can do anything in his world he's a king
Or so says the brag of McBragg.


http://tinyurl.com/ucs4

It's a small JPEG picture of Commander McBragg and his sidekick.
Thanks lynx.

"bobb" wrote in message thlink.net...
wrote in message
...
(Kane) wrote:
On 10 Nov 2003 22:55:52 -0800,
(Greg Hanson)
wrote:
Bobb, Watch them tear into it, insult you, mince words and use
sophistry
all in an attempt to overcome your common sense and truth.
There is no need for your to pump up your victimhood, or bobb's. You
make perfect victims of yourselves all by your lonesome.
Lots of worthwhile persuits that kids used to be able to do are now
considered too dangerous.

[e.d.].
I remember taking a 5 horse Johnson
outboard on a little Alumacraft boat and exploring all around a huge
lake alone when I was about 9 years old.
Who stops children of 9 from doing these things today? My neighborhood
is full of kids that are out and about doing such things.
Visited farm kids that could
roam all over a considerable territory far from constant supervision.
I live in farm and ranch country, and grew up in similar country, and
kids today are doing just what they did when I was a kid. While their
wheeled transport is either a bit more sophisticated (better bikes) or
powered, there are still packs of kids wandering around on horseback.
Took firearm safety training IN the public school,
They still do around here. I see kids wandering down the road year
around with either fishing tackle or a gun in hand. You are a
sit-on-your-ass know nothing, Greegor. When are you going to get a
job?
[In school Physical Ed] spent a week on Trap Shooting.
Yesterday called my friends that own the local country store and they
sent their 15 year old over to shoot the buck that's been savaging my
roses so badly. I suspect I'll get a little venison out of it.
She took him down with her shotgun and double ought. One shot, bleed
him out and field dressed him herself.
(I discovered I had a natural ability, classmates were impressed.)
Awww...we are impressed. I was shooting game at 9, including deer.
First elk at 15. Bear the same year.
And kids in my neighborhood are doing just about the same. When I went
out for the paper about 30 minutes ago I stopped going out of the
place to admire the hunting pics for 2003 tacked up on the back of the
door.
They all stop at the store to do the paperwork reporting their kills
and the store owner always takes a few photos.
Out of about 15 pics half were of kids with elk, deer, and one was
standing by a black bear he had shot.
If we let the Social Workers continue to cover the world with NERF
foam,
we will become a nation of "hothouse flowers", a bunch of panzies.
You and bobb are full of [e.d.]. No such thing goes on.
Where do you think the young men and women fighting in Iraq come from?
You wouldn't last an hour under such conditions. You'd be looking for
little girls to give showers to. And whining and complaining and
lying.
Life is risk. A life with no risk at all might not be worth living.
Sure is. Those pop cans have sharp edges on the opening. And you could
break a nail on those heavy pop bottles. Be careful.
You two are a wonder.
Every reader that has access to areas outside the city knows damn well
you are lying through your teeth. And not a few in the city for that
matter.
There are a few safety laws today that provide just a bit more
protection for children in hunting, farming, and ranching situations
but kids are still getting out there and still having the occasional
accident.
If CPS workers were so damn successful in wrapping kids in nerf foam
why am I seeing in the media that children are still dying on occasion
from excessive exploritory exhuberance?
You and bobb are a couple of mastubatory wonders.
snip....bobb's drivel about lazy overprotected children.....since I
already answered it in another post.
Kane
There's nothing McBragg can't do.
Hunting and trapping and gold miner mapping
And flying to Timbuktu.
Roping and riding and Indian guiding
Commander McBragg comes through.
This is the World of Commander McBragg
Your head will whirl in the World of McBragg.
He can do anything in his world he's a king
Or so says the brag of McBragg.
http://tinyurl.com/ucs4

I wondered if I was the only one who noticed ... but I didn't know how to
respond. You did... and very much to the point.

bobb


  #6  
Old November 16th 03, 02:57 PM
Greg Hanson
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Default Kids should work !!!

LaVonne
No spanking? No KP work as punishment?

Do you hate all discipline of any kind?

This could get interesting.. You are against
spanking, against KP duty, against shame, etc.

Lord of the Flies eh?
  #7  
Old November 16th 03, 05:34 PM
toto
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Default Kids should work !!!

On 16 Nov 2003 05:57:58 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

LaVonne
No spanking? No KP work as punishment?

Do you hate all discipline of any kind?

This could get interesting.. You are against
spanking, against KP duty, against shame, etc.

Lord of the Flies eh?


Positive Discipline is about teaching children right from wrong
and seeing that they become responsible for self-discipline.

Neither punishment nor external rewards work to accomplish
this.

Children learn what they live.

Positive Parenting Methods

First and foremost, model the behavior you want your child to
emulate. Children learn what they live. Teach by example, not
words.

Second, assume your child is good even when he misbehaves.
Understand that his actions have an underlying developmental
reason. Remember that children are *learning.* Approach
misbehavior as a teachable moment.

Third, state your rules and requests in positive ways, not
negative ones. Redirect her to things she can do rather than
trying to keep her away from things without alternatives.

Fourth, explain. Make sure you have his attention. You may need
to go closer to him, to touch his shoulder, to look directly in
his eyes.

Fifth, always try to look for the underlying cause of the behavior
and address that so that the need is actually met in acceptable
ways. Give her choices between many things that are acceptable
to you

Sixth, give him warnings of transitions so that they become easier
to manage. Children, like adults, need to complete activities
they are absorbed in.

Seventh, allow for time-outs when your emotions or hers are out
of control. Time-outs can be used non-punitively to allow both
the adult and child to regain control of their emotions. Teach
her to count to 10, to breathe, to walk away by modelling the
techniques you use to manage your anger.

Eighth, say what you mean and mean what you say. Don't give a
lot of warnings, give one and then act. Give him time to comply,
but follow through.

Ninth, plan for situations before they arise. Try to stay calm
yourself. Allow her to vent her feelings and accept them.

Tenth, as your child grows, involve him in making the rules and
choosing the consequences for breaking them Brainstorm and
problem solve with him.

Eleventh, make amends when you make a mistake. Apologize to
your child when you have made a mistake. Accept his apologies
gracefully as well.

Twelfth, give your child responsibility for real tasks that help
make your family work, keeping the chores within her developmental
stage and allowing her input into what the chores should be and
when to do them.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits
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Old November 16th 03, 07:09 PM
cigon
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Amost sounds like a UN resloution
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Old November 16th 03, 07:40 PM
Doan
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, toto wrote:

On 16 Nov 2003 05:57:58 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

LaVonne
No spanking? No KP work as punishment?

Do you hate all discipline of any kind?

This could get interesting.. You are against
spanking, against KP duty, against shame, etc.

Lord of the Flies eh?


Positive Discipline is about teaching children right from wrong
and seeing that they become responsible for self-discipline.

This is a noble goal. However, the question that have to be asked is
: how effective is it? Remember that we are dealing with imperfect
human beings!

Neither punishment nor external rewards work to accomplish
this.

Then let get rid of juvenile halls, abolish the police and justice
department. Are we living in the real word?

Children learn what they live.

Positive Parenting Methods

First and foremost, model the behavior you want your child to
emulate. Children learn what they live. Teach by example, not
words.

Second, assume your child is good even when he misbehaves.
Understand that his actions have an underlying developmental
reason. Remember that children are *learning.* Approach
misbehavior as a teachable moment.

Third, state your rules and requests in positive ways, not
negative ones. Redirect her to things she can do rather than
trying to keep her away from things without alternatives.

Fourth, explain. Make sure you have his attention. You may need
to go closer to him, to touch his shoulder, to look directly in
his eyes.

Fifth, always try to look for the underlying cause of the behavior
and address that so that the need is actually met in acceptable
ways. Give her choices between many things that are acceptable
to you

Sixth, give him warnings of transitions so that they become easier
to manage. Children, like adults, need to complete activities
they are absorbed in.

Seventh, allow for time-outs when your emotions or hers are out
of control. Time-outs can be used non-punitively to allow both
the adult and child to regain control of their emotions. Teach
her to count to 10, to breathe, to walk away by modelling the
techniques you use to manage your anger.

Eighth, say what you mean and mean what you say. Don't give a
lot of warnings, give one and then act. Give him time to comply,
but follow through.

Ninth, plan for situations before they arise. Try to stay calm
yourself. Allow her to vent her feelings and accept them.

Tenth, as your child grows, involve him in making the rules and
choosing the consequences for breaking them Brainstorm and
problem solve with him.

Eleventh, make amends when you make a mistake. Apologize to
your child when you have made a mistake. Accept his apologies
gracefully as well.

Twelfth, give your child responsibility for real tasks that help
make your family work, keeping the chores within her developmental
stage and allowing her input into what the chores should be and
when to do them.


All good advice. But according to the APA, effective discipline
has three components: 1) a loving relationship, 2) positive reinforcements
to encourage good behaviors and 3), negative consequences or punishments
to reduce bad behaviors. It is like three legs of a tripod, you can't
ignore one and hope to have a stable platform.

Doan


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Old November 16th 03, 08:23 PM
Doan
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Doan wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, toto wrote:

On 16 Nov 2003 05:57:58 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

LaVonne
No spanking? No KP work as punishment?

Do you hate all discipline of any kind?

This could get interesting.. You are against
spanking, against KP duty, against shame, etc.

Lord of the Flies eh?


Positive Discipline is about teaching children right from wrong
and seeing that they become responsible for self-discipline.

This is a noble goal. However, the question that have to be asked is
: how effective is it? Remember that we are dealing with imperfect
human beings!

Neither punishment nor external rewards work to accomplish
this.

Then let get rid of juvenile halls, abolish the police and justice
department. Are we living in the real word?

Children learn what they live.

Positive Parenting Methods

First and foremost, model the behavior you want your child to
emulate. Children learn what they live. Teach by example, not
words.

Second, assume your child is good even when he misbehaves.
Understand that his actions have an underlying developmental
reason. Remember that children are *learning.* Approach
misbehavior as a teachable moment.

Third, state your rules and requests in positive ways, not
negative ones. Redirect her to things she can do rather than
trying to keep her away from things without alternatives.

Fourth, explain. Make sure you have his attention. You may need
to go closer to him, to touch his shoulder, to look directly in
his eyes.

Fifth, always try to look for the underlying cause of the behavior
and address that so that the need is actually met in acceptable
ways. Give her choices between many things that are acceptable
to you

Sixth, give him warnings of transitions so that they become easier
to manage. Children, like adults, need to complete activities
they are absorbed in.

Seventh, allow for time-outs when your emotions or hers are out
of control. Time-outs can be used non-punitively to allow both
the adult and child to regain control of their emotions. Teach
her to count to 10, to breathe, to walk away by modelling the
techniques you use to manage your anger.

Eighth, say what you mean and mean what you say. Don't give a
lot of warnings, give one and then act. Give him time to comply,
but follow through.

Ninth, plan for situations before they arise. Try to stay calm
yourself. Allow her to vent her feelings and accept them.

Tenth, as your child grows, involve him in making the rules and
choosing the consequences for breaking them Brainstorm and
problem solve with him.

Eleventh, make amends when you make a mistake. Apologize to
your child when you have made a mistake. Accept his apologies
gracefully as well.

Twelfth, give your child responsibility for real tasks that help
make your family work, keeping the chores within her developmental
stage and allowing her input into what the chores should be and
when to do them.


All good advice. But according to the APA, effective discipline


Oops! That should be the AAP not APA.

Doan

has three components: 1) a loving relationship, 2) positive reinforcements
to encourage good behaviors and 3), negative consequences or punishments
to reduce bad behaviors. It is like three legs of a tripod, you can't
ignore one and hope to have a stable platform.

Doan




 




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