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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
bigvince wrote:
... Jeff as a doctor you know antibiotics are grossly overprescibed. But many Good Doctors have written volumes about the dangers of this procedure. Geez Jeff just Google Antibiotics and overprescribed theres awealth of info there. Hopefully you did not use Ketek for a minor infection or worse as a 'cover antibiotic' Jeeff it easy to say antibiotics are over given. Many Good doctors have said exactly that. Yet, given the information by poster, I am unable to determine if the antibiotics were properly given. Jeff |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
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On Jul 22, 2:02 pm, "D." wrote: many families because of its positive effect on certain children. I think the scary thing, and the reason for all the alarm about Ritalin, is that it is over-prescribed. It is the huge numbers of children who are given this drug WHO SHOULDN"T HAVE BEEN where the trouble lies. Dave When the drug maker designs the tests to determine if a child even has ADHD a diagonosis purely subjective. You can rest assured that as many children as possibly will be included . You our correct many children are given these dangerous drugs 'who shouldn't have been" and this study says that pratice may cause permanent damage. In light of the recent studies on the safety and effectiveness of fish oil as an alternative to these "speed like drugs' any concerned parent would be wise to reseach this subject. Keep posting your excellant post Good info based on science not sales Thanks Vince It's a pity then that the cited omega-3 trial was a blatant sales promotion exercise by the manufacturer, isn't it? -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 3:35 pm, TC wrote:
On Jul 23, 1:34 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 23, 2:10 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 23, 12:01 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 23, 12:20 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? Why, of course not! Do you know so little about medical practice that you would think: A. That I'd make a definitive assesment from a comment in a usenet forum B. That I'd step that far out of my scope of practice and recommend an Rx med C. That my kid has a condition like ADHD in the first place These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm What about those who are properly nourished? They are the majority of those with ADHD. Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA. Is that right? Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA? How would you know that? Let's look at the bigger picture. In the USA, there has never been more sickness or more prescriptions or more doctors as there is today. If you are talking about diseases of over-consumption, you have a point. Too many Americans are obese, eat too much salt, sugar, & fat. Many drink too much and exercise too little. The diseases that result from poor lifestyle choices are NOT the fault of the healthcare system. It is called choice, whether poor or wise. I am not talking about OVER consumption. I am talking about MALNOURISHMENT. Eating nutritionally-deficient highly-processed crap. It is the fault of the food industry over processing foods to the point where they are no longer of any useful nutritional value and the fault of the drug and food industry-owned FDA for letting the food industry get away with it. I know that you believe that food has changed to the point of being nutritionally void. I eat that food and I'm thriving! So are the majority of the people I know. Its the ones that have the victim mentality that do not. You know the victim type, the ones that demonize Aspartame, Splenda, and modern food production in general. Obesity is a function of eating too many highly refined and oprocessed foods. And that is what malnourishment means. Malnourishment is improper nutrition. These highly refined and processed foods contain very little actual nourishment, you know - vitamins and minerals, healthy fats, healthy proteins or healthy carbs. Despite that, very few Americans have malnourishment. Its a disease of ignorance and/or poverty, but it is still rare. Look at the freakin' life expectancy in the USA! We live into our 80's on average! And that lack of real nourishment in modern processed foods leads to general malnourishment in the population. Even fruits and vegetables lack nutrition as a result of the way the are grown, handled, shipped and stored. Can you cite something definitive? I'd like to see the data you've based your decision upon. We are taught to obsess about quantity of food when the real problem is not the quantity but the quality. And your post proves that you've bought into this mindset. The fault lies in the scientists, the researchers, the doctors, the popular media and the gov't. They all have bought into this quantity bull**** while ignoring the importance of quality of food. TC, you just don't get it. I'm a licensed acupuncturist. I know various schools of Oriental nutrition, including a few that work very well! I know far more about nutrition, diet, and eating healthy than you ever will. Healthy eating has nothing to do with paranoia. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. Most people suffer from not just one but a combination of all these conditions, and the common co-factor is diet and malnourishment. Its called over-consumption, not malnourishment. Next, you'll be claiming scury & rickets are ravaging the general population! It is not over-consumption. It is the consumption of poor, nutritionally deficient foods. Sub-clinical cases of scurvy and rickets are rampant. Doctors do not diagnose them because they aren't taught to look for nutrition related causes of disease. They look for what can be treated with pills. This sounds like the "MCS" of malnutrition. No markers, no real symptoms, just an assumption that modern life has victimed you. No evidence, just an assumption that everything is rooted in nutritional deficiecy. Sad, that. I had a discussion in this ng with a dentist who claimed to have treated thousands of patients, many with bleeding or soft gums, (gingivitis), and in all of his years of treating thousands of patients he never once saw a single case of vitamin C deficiency. Not a one. Is that because none of his patients had a vitamin C deficiency or because he was taught that bleeding gums has to be treated with a toothbrush and a specific brand of toothpaste? It is absurd to think that not a single one of his patients has a sub-clinical case of scurvy. If your gums are bleeding or soft, you have scurvy. That is the only possible explanation you can think of? I guess that explains why medicine is professional science, not a lay-person's hobby. Possibly a mild or very mild case, but you have scurvy nonetheless. If you catch colds easily, you have scurvy. If you bruise easily and take a long time for cuts and bruises to heal, you have scurvy. If you suffer from depression, you may also have scurvy. If you've been married three times and still have the same in-laws, you may also have scurvy. If you think TACO BELL is the Mexican Phone Company, you may also have scurvy. If you have a fractured leg, you may also have scurvy. If you have male pattern baldness, you may also have scurvy. I get it, you think everyone is Vitamin C deficient. Sorry to disappoint you, but its a pretty uncommon thing in the USA. Vitamin D deficiency might be more common; ditto for Calcium & Magnesium. But interestingly enough, I've never heard of doctors testing for these vitamin deficiencies, why not? I've seen it done, but it is rarely indicated and thus rarely done. Should they be testing for Smallpox as well? ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. No, its been with us all along. It has been more carefully differentiated than in the past. Yep, it has. But not in nearly the number of cases as today. We eat more crap food and we are sicker. That trend is unmistakable and un- deniable. Really? If you're right, you should be able to post the trend line for that. Please do so. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Few, if any, of my classmates in the 1960's and 1970's suffered from anything even ressembling ADHD. But we ate real bacom and eggs. Real pot roasts and real potatoes. Soft drinks were a once-a-month treat. Same with candies and chocolate milk. RTE breakfast cereals were an expensive treat for those who could afford it, and few of my classmates families could afford them. We did not have a cupboard full of processed and manufactured boxed treats to eat from every evening in front of the TV. That was hilarious! Dem REAL "bacom and eggs" [sic] kept you from being ADHD. Yeah, that's what happened. I know kids raised by parents who've kept them on organic food from day one. These kids only where organically grown fibers, man! They don't even believe in fluorescent bulbs or TV! They have a child with ADHD despite this. Ritalin was demonized to the point where they wouldn't consider it for two years. They now wish they had considered it earlier. Two years of his childhood could have been happier and he'd done better in school, to boot. That's a lot more important than defending alarmist dogma. I did not say organic food. I said real food. Eggs contain the best combination of essential proteins and fats available in a single food. Bacon contains important essential fats that can only be gotten from animal sourced foods. Real produce picked fresh from the garden and taken directly to the table contains the greatest amunts of vitamins and minerals. Fresh fish. Nutrient rich properly raised beef, pork and free-range chicken. Real whole unpasteurized milk, cream, butter. these are extremely nutrient rich foods. And that real nutrition ensured that none of us suffered from ADHD. None of us needed eye- glasses in kindergarden. None of use were on multiple serial courses of anti-biotics for recurring infections (ear infections, etc). We were all robust and strong physically and mentally. Most kids today are reared on RTE cereals, mac and cheese, pasteurized milk, pasta from a box, white bread, soda pop by the half gallon, and hydrogenized, dead, extremely highly processed vegetables oils and most of them are under weight or grossly overweight weaklings, wearing eyeglasses in kindergarden, perpetually sucking on an inhaler, and suffering from ADHD and assorted other behavioral problems from day one. That is a modern phenomenon and is a result of modern crap foods. Yes, I understand you feel victimized by modern agriculture. What other aspects of modern life concern you? Do you dislike cell phones, fluorescent lights, dental amalgams, vaccines, & artificial sweetner? None of the diseases mentioned above exist because of a lack of prescription drugs in our systems. And none of them are actually cured with the huge amounts of prescription drug available to us. No one is being helped. they are only being "treated", and at a very high cost in terms of dollars and in terms of our health. No, they were always there. Behavior disorders are more likely to get diagnosed. More people live in urban areas instead of rural areas, so reporting is higher. With increase awareness comes increased numbers of people seeking treatment so that they can live better. Wrong. They were not ALL there. There were a few cases here and there. Now it is the norm. I see it every day in schools, in community sports, at family gatherings, in stores, in malls. The number of underweight or overweight, eyeglass wearing, wheezaing, mentally challenged and unstable, intellectually diminished children has exploded. They used to be the exception, now they are the rule. Ok, now I think I see where & why you've gone astray. ADHD is nowhere near as common as you'd like to think; ditto for scurvy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhd Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is generally considered to be a developmental disorder, largely neurological in nature, affecting about 5% of the world's population.[1][2][3][4] The disorder typically presents itself during childhood, and is characterized by a persistent pattern of inattention and/or hyperactivity, as well as forgetfulness, poor impulse control or impulsivity, and distractibility.[5][6] Although often referred to in conjunction with Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), ADD is, in fact, not a documented diagnosis, and this common misuse of the terminology actually refers to ADHD predominantly inattentive type Just think for a moment. The children in your family. Cousins, nephews, nieces, grand kids.... are they all physically strong? Are they all robust? Mentally and physically? Are they quick or are they a tad slow? (Compare them to when you were growing up.) Or are a few of them kinda really thin and flacid? Or kinda pudgy and flacid? And do they have problems sitting there and holding a conversation with them? Do you have to repeat things to them and find yourself staring at a blank face that is trying to process what is being said to them? Does it seem as if what you are saying to them is hitting a brick wall? One of my cousins graduated Summa Cum Laude from Harvard Medical School, another was Summa Cum Laude from Harvard Law. Of my many cousins, only one of us over age 22 did not graduate college. Most graduated with honors and nearly 2/3 have graduate degrees. Three of them are marathoners. Some are officers in the military and a couple are paratroopers in the IDF. In general, they are doing pretty well, physically & mentally. Look around you. You will find that a good portion of the population of children to day have serious problems. These did not manifest itself because of the lack of pharmacuticals in their little bodies. I think you've missed the boat completely. This phantom scury plague has not manifested. ADHD affects ~5% of the population. That includes adults who grew up eating the same Bacon, Pot Roast, Eggs, and milk you did. It includes children whose parents feed them well and those who don't. ADHD doesn't go away because you eat swine, TC. Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. If you can treat the condition effectively with nutrition, good for you! Make it happen, captain! If the condition can't be treated with nutrition, something else is required. Ritalin is used because it works for a great number of people with this condition. Its been on the market for several decades and it is safe when taken as directed. So why get in a tither over it? If you don't want it, by all means, don't take it. Ritalin does not work. Like many other drugs all it does is make the patient feel "different" or it appears to calm them down for a short period of time therefore you believe that it is doing something. But at what cost to the long term development of the childs mind and general health. And why not first try to resolve it with proper diet? How did you reach this conclusion? It works for about 2 million people everyday in the USA alone. Proper diet is a great thing. Sure, get everyone to eat a proper diet, exercise, and see if it gets better. When it doesn't, you'll blame some obscure food additive, sweetner, TV show, "toxin du jour", fluorescent lighting, Cell phone towers, etc. It has nothing to do with a TV show or fluorescnt lighting or cell phone towers. Stop putting words in my mouth. I really don't appreciate that kind of nonsense. Then quit making up this phantom scurvy plague. That is nonsense, too. Listen carefully: It is the QUALITY of the food, or the lack of it. Feed children and people in general bad nourishment and they will be sick, physically and mentally. It is that simple. Feed a plant poor nutrition and it will fail to thrive. Feed ducks poor nutrition and they will fail to thrive. Feed a dog poor nutrition and it will fail to thrive. And guess what, feed people poor nutrition and THEY will FAIL TO THRIVE. Yes, I understand that malnourishment causes serious problems. Thankfully, its pretty rare in the USA. Sure, there are a few exceptions due to ignorance, poverty, and recklessness. It is not what causes ADHD or we'd see it in ALL famine zones. We'd see it in all people who are anorexic. We don't. The first thing that should be addressed is nourishment. I've never heard of any modern day doctor who has ever even considered nourishment to treat any case where Ritalin can just as easily be prescribed. And that is the fatal flaw with moderm allopathic medicine. People (ie. doctors) who have no concept whatsoever of the essentiality of nutrients pretending and presuming to treat our illnesses. Absurd. It so nice that you are this enlightened! You are a precious national resource! We must get you to teach in the medical schools because YOU have absolute certainty that you are right. That's good enough for me! After all, isn't it perfectly logical to assume that everyone with ADD or ADHD is malnourished? I mean, isn't that what happens in famine zones world-wide? Hmmm? What, it doesn't???? Well, TC, don't let the cognitive dissonance get to you! I *should* teach in the medical schools, but the food industry and the pharma industry essentially own the curriculum. Which guarantees that doctors know nothing about nutrition and the food industry can continue selling their crap foods, and guarantees that doctors do nothing but prescribe drugs. How did you reach that conclusion? MD's do take nutrition in school. What looney bird told you otherwise? It does appear, from the article, the neurological changes are beneficial. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? Appearantly, you think so. You'd be angry if it were helping these children which speaks volumes about your agenda. Children be damned, you've got your dogma and its "Drugs is alwayz bad" Drugs *are* always bad when the safer and more common-sensical alternative treatments are not only not tried but are virtually unknown by those presuming to treat our illnesses. No, that's silly. Ritalin has been used for decades with great safety & success. You shouldn't throw out all that baby because of those few ounces of bathwater! Only perceived success and a lot of unknown damage to children. Even the companies that sell these drugs don't know exactly how they work and what they do. This unknown damage has the same phantom-like qualities are your scurvy epidemic. Where are the injured parties? My comment stands. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to withhold helpful treatments to children in need. You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing dangerous and ineffective chemicals into young developing childrens bodies and being completely ignorant of the importance of proper nourishment on our childrens health. Pushing? How do you figure that? I don't prescribe meds. I'm an acupuncturist, I dispense herbs if anything. What I do know is that Ritalin has been prescribed for decades. It has a documented record of efficacy and safety. That isn't to say that I wouldn't like it to be even better. Heck, I'm hoping a simple vaccine will be developed, but who knows if that is even possible... You advocate the use of these drugs, you are as bad as a street peddler. Actually worse, because the street peddler recognises that what he sells is bad ****. You're a looney, that's what! Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Perhaps, but almost all diseases are still possible with good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually no. Proper nourishment will completely eradicate diabetes, obesity, chrohn's and colitis, most heart disease, most cancers and most mental illness. I'll agree with you on most obesity and that it will be very important in most of the diseases you list. Sure, a healthy diet AND exercise are important. It isn't a panacea. People get sick for a variety of reasons and malnourishment isn't a significant cause of disease in the USA. Over consumption _IS_ a significant cause of disease.- Hide quoted text - NOT OVER CONSUMPTION. It is not general over consumption that is the problem, it is the over consumption of nutritionallly deficient crap food and the under consumption of nutritious real food. Again, you show how you've been conditioned to think. Kinda sad. No, I'm educated, not paranoid. There is a big difference, the stuff I believe in doesn't go away if someone doesn't believe in it. Your belief system requires a bunch of conspiracies, wide-spread scurvy epidemics, and paranoia of Ritalin. Sad, that. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 5:43 pm, Jeff wrote:
bigvince wrote: ... Jeff as a doctor you know antibiotics are grossly overprescibed. But many Good Doctors have written volumes about the dangers of this procedure. Geez Jeff just Google Antibiotics and overprescribed theres awealth of info there. Hopefully you did not use Ketek for a minor infection or worse as a 'cover antibiotic' Jeeff it easy to say antibiotics are over given. Many Good doctors have said exactly that. Yet, given the information by poster, I am unable to determine if the antibiotics were properly given. Jeff But the generic comment as to the over use of antibiotics { particuliarly newer more dangerous ones] was available to you . Or you reticent under any circumstances to disapprove of any medical practice no matter how dangerous.For example would you recommend the off label use of Ketek. Thanks Vince |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
Absolutely not . . . no infection, just a virus. And antibiotics don't
kill viruses. So, my guess is that he knew his patient was "old school" and wanted a doctor's prescription. Dave On Jul 23, 10:02 am, Jeff wrote: D. wrote: On Jul 23, 9:20 am, TC wrote: These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. That's one of the best, well-rounded and TRUE posts I've read on the usenet in a long time, good job TC. My Mom just went to the doctor for a bad cold. She was given ANTIBIOTICS. Can you believe that? Doctors simply want to write prescriptions. Why did the doctor say (s)he was giving prescribing antibiotics? Perhaps there was a sinus infection or another bacterial infection. Jeff Dave |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 4:55 pm, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote: I am not talking about OVER consumption. I am talking about MALNOURISHMENT. Eating nutritionally-deficient highly-processed crap. It is the fault of the food industry over processing foods to the point where they are no longer of any useful nutritional value and the fault of the drug and food industry-owned FDA for letting the food industry get away with it. I know that you believe that food has changed to the point of being nutritionally void. I eat that food and I'm thriving! So are the majority of the people I know. Not all food has changed to that point. But the cheap easily accessible food has. It may be that you prefer and can afford the healthier stuff. But many people eat crap day in and day out. Do you drink soft drinks daily? Do you eat RTE cereal every morning? Do you eat a lot of pasta? Maybe you are dodging the bullet by pure chance. But most people who are obese, have metabolic syndrome, diabetes or mental issues, do have poor diets. They go hand in hand. You may believe otherwise, but that is you prerogative. Its the ones that have the victim mentality that do not. You know the victim type, the ones that demonize Aspartame, Splenda, and modern food production in general. Blame the victim, eh? Well I know a lot of "victims" that don't play the victim game at all, yet, their health has taken a quick downturn early in life, mostly due to diet. And I've said NOTHING about aspartame and splenda. Why do you nutbars insist on putting words in my mouth? The simple fact is that most modern processed pre-prepared foods in the grocery store today are bereft of nutrition as a direct result of the processing. And fruits and vegetables are grown on relatively poor soils, and spend a lot of time in transit and in storage thus losing much of their water soluble vitamins. Obesity is a function of eating too many highly refined and oprocessed foods. And that is what malnourishment means. Malnourishment is improper nutrition. These highly refined and processed foods contain very little actual nourishment, you know - vitamins and minerals, healthy fats, healthy proteins or healthy carbs. Despite that, very few Americans have malnourishment. Its a disease of ignorance and/or poverty, but it is still rare. Look at the freakin' life expectancy in the USA! We live into our 80's on average! Malnourishment is not a disease. It is a nutritional state. It results in disease. And the vast majority of people that suffer from malnourishment do so while following the populsr advice of the mainstream medical establishment by eating copious amounts of nutritionally deficient grain based processed foods and limitting healthy animal sourced foods. Less fat and more carbs, right? The life expectancy in the US of A is not what you think. You guys are 45th in the list of countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy And if you guys have the best medical doctors and the best medical system and the most knowledgeable experts in health, then what the hell is the problem. Could it that the advice they are giving you and the foods you are eating aren't all its cracked uo to be? And that lack of real nourishment in modern processed foods leads to general malnourishment in the population. Even fruits and vegetables lack nutrition as a result of the way the are grown, handled, shipped and stored. Can you cite something definitive? I'd like to see the data you've based your decision upon. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ Check any food you want to. Compare fresh meats to refined grains. Compare fresh produce to frozen and dried and processed. Read the labels on boxed crap and compare them to their fresh equivalent. Read about how water soluble vitamins degrade in food when exposed to heat and when in storage over time. Read about the use of fertilizers versus crop rotation and their effects on the nutritional content of the agricultural commodities. Understanding what affects the quality of foods should be something we all educate ourselves on. We are taught to obsess about quantity of food when the real problem is not the quantity but the quality. And your post proves that you've bought into this mindset. The fault lies in the scientists, the researchers, the doctors, the popular media and the gov't. They all have bought into this quantity bull**** while ignoring the importance of quality of food. TC, you just don't get it. I'm a licensed acupuncturist. I know various schools of Oriental nutrition, including a few that work very well! I know far more about nutrition, diet, and eating healthy than you ever will. Healthy eating has nothing to do with paranoia. BFD. If you fail to appreciate the fundamental concept of the essentiality of food quality to nutrition and the importance of nutrition to overall health, then your citing a mystical oriental knowledge and expertise in oriental nutrition falls far short of impressing anyone. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. Most people suffer from not just one but a combination of all these conditions, and the common co-factor is diet and malnourishment. Its called over-consumption, not malnourishment. Next, you'll be claiming scury & rickets are ravaging the general population! It is not over-consumption. It is the consumption of poor, nutritionally deficient foods. Sub-clinical cases of scurvy and rickets are rampant. Doctors do not diagnose them because they aren't taught to look for nutrition related causes of disease. They look for what can be treated with pills. This sounds like the "MCS" of malnutrition. No markers, no real symptoms, just an assumption that modern life has victimed you. No evidence, just an assumption that everything is rooted in nutritional deficiecy. Sad, that. It hasn't victimized me because I haven't let it. But most people are more than willing to accept what doctors say about nutrition. Which is not much. And I HAVE NOT SAID that EVERYTHING is rooted in nutritional deficiency. Stop ****ing putting words in my mouth and go read what the **** I said. If you can't read English go someplace else and spout your bull****. I had a discussion in this ng with a dentist who claimed to have treated thousands of patients, many with bleeding or soft gums, (gingivitis), and in all of his years of treating thousands of patients he never once saw a single case of vitamin C deficiency. Not a one. Is that because none of his patients had a vitamin C deficiency or because he was taught that bleeding gums has to be treated with a toothbrush and a specific brand of toothpaste? It is absurd to think that not a single one of his patients has a sub-clinical case of scurvy. If your gums are bleeding or soft, you have scurvy. That is the only possible explanation you can think of? I guess that explains why medicine is professional science, not a lay-person's hobby. Again, you incorrectly paraphrase what I said. I am not saying that it is the only reason, I am saying that allopaths invariably refuses to even consider malnourishment as a possibility. that is the exact opposite of what you suggest I am saying. Look, if you have that much trouble with the language, go elsewhere. Possibly a mild or very mild case, but you have scurvy nonetheless. If you catch colds easily, you have scurvy. If you bruise easily and take a long time for cuts and bruises to heal, you have scurvy. If you suffer from depression, you may also have scurvy. If you've been married three times and still have the same in-laws, you may also have scurvy. If you think TACO BELL is the Mexican Phone Company, you may also have scurvy. If you have a fractured leg, you may also have scurvy. If you have male pattern baldness, you may also have scurvy. Now you are being a flippant prick. Go educate yourself on the actual science of nutritional deficiency. It is in the scientific record. Moron. Enough of this nonsense. If I want to argue a stupid moronic prick, I call my older brother. I get it, you think everyone is Vitamin C deficient. Sorry to disappoint you, but its a pretty uncommon thing in the USA. Vitamin D deficiency might be more common; ditto for Calcium & Magnesium. But interestingly enough, I've never heard of doctors testing for these vitamin deficiencies, why not? I've seen it done, but it is rarely indicated and thus rarely done. Should they be testing for Smallpox as well? ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. No, its been with us all along. It has been more carefully differentiated than in the past. Yep, it has. But not in nearly the number of cases as today. We eat more crap food and we are sicker. That trend is unmistakable and un- deniable. Really? If you're right, you should be able to post the trend line for that. Please do so. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Few, if any, of my classmates in the 1960's and 1970's suffered from anything even ressembling ADHD. But we ate real bacom and eggs. Real pot roasts and real potatoes. Soft drinks were a once-a-month treat. Same with candies and chocolate milk. RTE breakfast cereals were an expensive treat for those who could afford it, and few of my classmates families could afford them. We did not have a cupboard full of processed and manufactured boxed treats to eat from every evening in front of the TV. That was hilarious! Dem REAL "bacom and eggs" [sic] kept you from being ADHD. Yeah, that's what happened. I know kids raised by parents who've kept them on organic food from day one. These kids only where organically grown fibers, man! They don't even believe in fluorescent bulbs or TV! They have a child with ADHD despite this. Ritalin was demonized to the point where they wouldn't consider it for two years. They now wish they had considered it earlier. Two years of his childhood could have been happier and he'd done better in school, to boot. That's a lot more important than defending alarmist dogma. I did not say organic food. I said real food. Eggs contain the best combination of essential proteins and fats available in a single food. Bacon contains important essential fats that can only be gotten from animal sourced ... read more » |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
bigvince wrote:
On Jul 22, 2:02 pm, "D." wrote: many families because of its positive effect on certain children. I think the scary thing, and the reason for all the alarm about Ritalin, is that it is over-prescribed. It is the huge numbers of children who are given this drug WHO SHOULDN"T HAVE BEEN where the trouble lies. Dave When the drug maker designs the tests to determine if a child even has ADHD a diagonosis purely subjective. Horse crap. There is a specific protocol for diagnosing ADHD which is published by the AAP. Of course, you would not know that. You can rest assured that as many children as possibly will be included . 100% incorrect. The AAP protocol is designed to weed out anyone whose problems are caused by anything other than ADHD. You our correct many children are given these dangerous drugs 'who shouldn't have been" and this study says that pratice may cause permanent damage. Do prove that many kids are incorrectly diagnosed. Find a real source. In light of the recent studies on the safety and effectiveness of fish oil as an alternative to these "speed like drugs' any concerned parent would be wise to reseach this subject. Unlike what you did, post their idle speculation. Keep posting your excellant post Good info based on science not sales Thanks Vince |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
TC wrote:
On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
D. wrote:
Absolutely not . . . no infection, just a virus. How was that determined? What tests were run? And, are you claiming that there are no virus based infections? And antibiotics don't kill viruses. So, my guess is that he knew his patient was "old school" and wanted a doctor's prescription. Dave On Jul 23, 10:02 am, Jeff wrote: D. wrote: On Jul 23, 9:20 am, TC wrote: These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. That's one of the best, well-rounded and TRUE posts I've read on the usenet in a long time, good job TC. My Mom just went to the doctor for a bad cold. She was given ANTIBIOTICS. Can you believe that? Doctors simply want to write prescriptions. Why did the doctor say (s)he was giving prescribing antibiotics? Perhaps there was a sinus infection or another bacterial infection. Jeff Dave |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 10:26 pm, Mark Probert
wrote: TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. BULL****. ADHD has nothing to do with poor diet. NOTING. Again, we see how modern medicine has convinced us to completely divorce physical and mental wellness from the fundmental concept of nutrition. Without proper nutrition we become sick and will die. We fail to thrive. Basic mental and physical functions of the human body fail to function as expected. ADHD does not occur just because we did not feed our kids Ritalin. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Good health is impossible without good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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