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Old October 26th 10, 11:20 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
carole
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us

Deadly Medical Mistakes Exposed

October 28, 2003
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm

New York, New York - New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans have been subjected to injury and
death by medical errors. The results of seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA now show that
medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States.

According to the NIA's report, over 784,000 people die annually due to medical mistakes. Comparatively, the 2001 annual death rate
for heart disease was 699,697 and the annual death rate for cancer was 553,251.

Over 2.2 million people are injured every year by prescription drugs alone and over 20 million unnecessary prescriptions for
antibiotics are prescribed annually for viral infections. The report also shows that 7.5 million unnecessary medical and surgical
procedures are performed every year and 8.9 million people are needlessly hospitalized annually. Based on the results of NIA's
report, it is evident that there is a pressing need for an overhaul of the entire American medical system.

The findings, described as a "revelation" by Martin Feldman, MD, who helped to uncover the evidence, are the product of the first
comprehensive studies on iatrogenic incidents. Never before has any study uncovered such a massive amount of information with regard
to iatrogenesis. Historically, only small individual partial studies have been performed in this area.

Carolyn Dean, MD, a physician and author who also helped to uncover the findings said, "I was completely shocked, amazed, and
dismayed when I first added up all the statistics on medical death and saw how much allopathic medicine has betrayed us."


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conspiracy. All diplomacy, foreign policy, business decisions and political strategies are done in this way. Conspiracies happen
every day." -Peter Myers






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Old October 26th 10, 11:58 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
dr_jeff
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us

On 10/26/10 6:20 PM, carole wrote:
Deadly Medical Mistakes Exposed

October 28, 2003
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm

New York, New York - New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans have been subjected to injury and
death by medical errors. The results of seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA now show that
medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States.


This is extremely misleading. It includes people who died from
infections, and after getting potentially life-saving surgeries when
that had very low chances of survival. In addition, includes people who
died as a result of bed sores, which is a problem with their care
givers, not the hospitals.

garbage deleted
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Old October 27th 10, 01:12 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
carole
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us


"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 10/26/10 6:20 PM, carole wrote:
Deadly Medical Mistakes Exposed

October 28, 2003
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm

New York, New York - New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans have been subjected to injury and
death by medical errors. The results of seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA now show that
medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States.


This is extremely misleading. It includes people who died from infections, and after getting potentially life-saving surgeries
when that had very low chances of survival. In addition, includes people who died as a result of bed sores, which is a problem
with their care givers, not the hospitals.

garbage deleted


One thing I've learned about allopaths, they are very good at rationalisation.
Read the full report at
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"You can't handle the truth." --A few good men (movie)





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Old October 27th 10, 01:20 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
dr_jeff
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us

On 10/26/10 8:12 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ...
On 10/26/10 6:20 PM, carole wrote:
Deadly Medical Mistakes Exposed

October 28, 2003
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm

New York, New York - New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans have been subjected to injury and
death by medical errors. The results of seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA now show that
medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States.


This is extremely misleading. It includes people who died from infections, and after getting potentially life-saving surgeries
when that had very low chances of survival. In addition, includes people who died as a result of bed sores, which is a problem
with their care givers, not the hospitals.

garbage deleted


One thing I've learned about allopaths, they are very good at rationalisation.


Being rational? That's a good thing.

Read the full report at
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm


And those who believe in con-med (conjecture-based medicine or
alternative medicine) are good at ignoring the truth in favor of their
beliefs, no matter how badly contradicted by facts.
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Old October 27th 10, 10:15 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
Peter Moran[_3_]
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us


"carole" wrote in message
news

"dr_jeff" wrote in message
...
On 10/26/10 6:20 PM, carole wrote:
Deadly Medical Mistakes Exposed

October 28, 2003
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm

New York, New York - New information has been presented showing the
degree to which Americans have been subjected to injury and
death by medical errors. The results of seven years of research
reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA now show that
medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in the
United States.


This is extremely misleading. It includes people who died from
infections, and after getting potentially life-saving surgeries when that
had very low chances of survival. In addition, includes people who died
as a result of bed sores, which is a problem with their care givers, not
the hospitals.

garbage deleted


One thing I've learned about allopaths, they are very good at
rationalisation.


No, I would like to hear how you try to justify laying 250.000 cases of
bedsores and "malnutrition" at the door of convenitonal medicine, to mention
just two dubious matters, in the effort to come up with the "leading cause
of death" claim. You might also note that most of these figures are
decades old, and involve major extrapolations.

It is not that conventional medicine does not have risks, or that we
perhaps should be able to do better in preventing avoidable adverse events.
How does this make "alternative" medicine look good, when it can never has
to even try to deal with a comparable spectrum of illness?
PM

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Old October 29th 10, 12:18 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
carole
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us


"Peter Moran" wrote in message eb.com...

"carole" wrote in message news

"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 10/26/10 6:20 PM, carole wrote:
Deadly Medical Mistakes Exposed

October 28, 2003
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm

New York, New York - New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans have been subjected to injury and
death by medical errors. The results of seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA now show
that
medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States.

This is extremely misleading. It includes people who died from infections, and after getting potentially life-saving surgeries
when that had very low chances of survival. In addition, includes people who died as a result of bed sores, which is a problem
with their care givers, not the hospitals.

garbage deleted


One thing I've learned about allopaths, they are very good at rationalisation.


No, I would like to hear how you try to justify laying 250.000 cases of bedsores and "malnutrition" at the door of convenitonal
medicine, to mention just two dubious matters, in the effort to come up with the "leading cause of death" claim. You might also
note that most of these figures are decades old, and involve major extrapolations.


Maybe you're right about the bedsores and the extrapolation.
However, you lot go to any lengths to rationalise allopathic medicine even denying the undeniable.


It is not that conventional medicine does not have risks, or that we perhaps should be able to do better in preventing avoidable
adverse events. How does this make "alternative" medicine look good, when it can never has to even try to deal with a comparable
spectrum of illness?
PM


Because allopathic medicine is based on pharmaceuticals.
Until they deal with the corruption in the pharmaceutical industry that suppresses real cures and substitutes with life-long
treatment because its more profitable, people will continue to knock it.
The pharmaceutical cartel promotes its products feircely and relentlessly, it has its insiders in every government organisation that
matters, and it suppresses alternative remedies.
so until the corruption is dealt with don't try to justify it to me.
Anybody who supports allopathic medicine is basically a dishonest person.

--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"There are known knowns - there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns - there are things we don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld



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Old October 29th 10, 02:25 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
dr_jeff
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us

On 10/28/10 7:18 PM, carole wrote:
"Peter wrote in message eb.com...

wrote in message news

wrote in message ...
On 10/26/10 6:20 PM, carole wrote:
Deadly Medical Mistakes Exposed

October 28, 2003
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...r y_in_us.htm

New York, New York - New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans have been subjected to injury and
death by medical errors. The results of seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA now show
that
medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States.

This is extremely misleading. It includes people who died from infections, and after getting potentially life-saving surgeries
when that had very low chances of survival. In addition, includes people who died as a result of bed sores, which is a problem
with their care givers, not the hospitals.

garbage deleted

One thing I've learned about allopaths, they are very good at rationalisation.


No, I would like to hear how you try to justify laying 250.000 cases of bedsores and "malnutrition" at the door of convenitonal
medicine, to mention just two dubious matters, in the effort to come up with the "leading cause of death" claim. You might also
note that most of these figures are decades old, and involve major extrapolations.


Maybe you're right about the bedsores and the extrapolation.
However, you lot go to any lengths to rationalise allopathic medicine even denying the undeniable.


It is not that conventional medicine does not have risks, or that we perhaps should be able to do better in preventing avoidable
adverse events. How does this make "alternative" medicine look good, when it can never has to even try to deal with a comparable
spectrum of illness?
PM


Because allopathic medicine is based on pharmaceuticals.


Allopathic medicine is based on scientific evidence.

Until they deal with the corruption in the pharmaceutical industry that suppresses real cures and substitutes with life-long
treatment because its more profitable, people will continue to knock it.


You have yet to prove that "real cures" have been suppressed.

The pharmaceutical cartel promotes its products feircely and relentlessly, it has its insiders in every government organisation that
matters, and it suppresses alternative remedies.


Gee, prove it. You are talking about a conspiracy that doesn't exist.

so until the corruption is dealt with don't try to justify it to me.


Corruption is never appropriate. However, you have yet to prove that
there is the type of corruption in medicine.

Anybody who supports allopathic medicine is basically a dishonest person.


Con-med (conjecture-based medicine, aka alternative medicine) has not
been shown to work. So basically, people are selling beliefs. This makes
anyone selling con-med basically dishonest. As far as allopathic
medicine is concerned, think about the millions of lives saved by
vaccines, including over 1000 today (the death rate from measles was
about 2000 a day only 10 years ago, but was reduced to about 450 by
vaccines in 2008).

Jeff

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Old October 30th 10, 11:41 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
carole
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us


"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:32:53 -0400, in misc.health.alternative,
dr_jeff wrote:



I'm not talking about big corporations selling alternative medicines.


Selling unproven treatments is unethical. It is a multibillion dollar a
year business.


Carole isn't used to using ethics. After all she thinks it is ok to
steal stuff on the net. It is ok because the information might become
suppressed.

I'm talking about researchers who come up with cures and are suppressed.


Yeah, talk is all you can do. You can demonstrate that this is happening.


The authorities use mind control rays to make sure that Carole
misspells the web sites URLs... thus suppressing the information. and
giving Carole the rational to steal.


Bob is a legend in his own mind.


You wouldn't be aware of it, but there is a disease process that begins with auto-intoxication / toxemia.

No, there isn't. I get rid of the toxins every time i urinate or defecate.

You don't know about the disease process then.


Sorry, I but I do. Please tell me the names of the toxins you are
talking about. And, please provide references to back your claims.


This could be interesting.


But not as interesting as the fact that your grandfather was a quaker.

crap deleted

maybe one day she will get sick and the Doctor's words will be, we
could have fixed this if you came to me sooner.


And maybe not.


Is that what you're saying?


And if Dr Jeff wants to post his "con-med" crap in alternative news groups, it is fair that the alties post anti-vac in his
groups.
For what he says is helping children may in fact, be hurting children and he has never proved his case to anybody's
satisfaction.

Correct. I can't prove my case to true-believers. And people who are able to gather info and think for themselves are able to
learn about the truth themselves.

Ditto.



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Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22



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Old October 30th 10, 10:49 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
carole
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us


"Lu" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:41:32 -0400, carole wrote
(in article m):


"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:32:53 -0400, in misc.health.alternative,
dr_jeff wrote:



I'm not talking about big corporations selling alternative medicines.

Selling unproven treatments is unethical. It is a multibillion dollar a
year business.

Carole isn't used to using ethics. After all she thinks it is ok to
steal stuff on the net. It is ok because the information might become
suppressed.

I'm talking about researchers who come up with cures and are suppressed.

Yeah, talk is all you can do. You can demonstrate that this is happening.

The authorities use mind control rays to make sure that Carole
misspells the web sites URLs... thus suppressing the information. and
giving Carole the rational to steal.


Bob is a legend in his own mind.


You wouldn't be aware of it, but there is a disease process that begins
with auto-intoxication / toxemia.

No, there isn't. I get rid of the toxins every time i urinate or
defecate.

You don't know about the disease process then.

Sorry, I but I do. Please tell me the names of the toxins you are
talking about. And, please provide references to back your claims.

This could be interesting.


But not as interesting as the fact that your grandfather was a quaker.


I guess "Bigot" can be added to your resume.


Says Lu coming out of the woodwork.
Where have you been hiding lu and what's your story?


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22



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Old October 30th 10, 11:08 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
john[_5_]
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Default Allopathic medicine has betrayed us


"Peter Moran" wrote in
No, I would like to hear how you try to justify laying 250.000 cases of
bedsores and "malnutrition" at the door of convenitonal medicine, to
mention just two dubious matters, in the effort to come up with the
"leading cause of death" claim. You might also note that most of these
figures are decades old, and involve major extrapolations.


120,000 drug deaths is well established. Plus millions addicted to
psychiatric drugs


It is not that conventional medicine does not have risks, or that we
perhaps should be able to do better in preventing avoidable adverse
events. How does this make "alternative" medicine look good, when it can
never has to even try to deal with a comparable spectrum of illness?
PM


********, nutritional medicine treats all and cures many without any deaths
http://whale.to/w/ortho.html


 




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