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Hey Fern! Show me where I said it's "OK."
Fern, can you prove your claim about me?
You wrote, "Dan apparently feels it is ok to remove a child with fractures, even though it is now a recognizable phenomenon called TBBD. And to keep this child sequestered from his parents for close to a year." Show me where I wrote that it's "OK to remove a child with fractures" caused by TBBD. And "to keep this child sequestered from his parents for close to a year." |
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Hey Fern! Show me where I said it's "OK."
Dan,
You have repeatedly responded to my comments about TBBD removals with responses where you justified removals even though you very well know that 95% of all spiral fractures cases are NOT due to child abuse of any kind! Assuming a "not explained" case == child abuse is a LIE. You have advocated for removal until it can be investigated. But we are talking about CPS. The witch hunt ensues. Innocent parents are FRAMED with caseworker lies. Contractors aim to please overzealous caseworkers. To got more contracts. Parents can't all hire the "Pro From Dover" to come and counteract local doctors playing sicofant to CPS. When I complained about how these removals mean the child is out for maybe a year, you minimized. But the average is like two years. About the time the 15/22 rule cuts back money. You justified the removals even though at least 19 out of 20 times they are NOT child abuse. You said they have to make sure. Exact words? Perhaps not. Paraphrased? Yes. Did Fern lie or misrepresent your position? No. She just didn't "buy" your minimization of the TIME to detain 19 not abused kids in order to track down the one who might have been, maybe? "Evaluating" 19 kids because one might have been abused is perpetrating less abuse but MULTIPLIED 19 TIMES. Dan wrote Fern, can you prove your claim about me? |
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Hey Fern! Show me where I said it's "OK."
"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Dan, You have repeatedly responded to my comments about TBBD removals with responses where you justified removals even though you very well know that 95% of all spiral fractures cases are NOT due to child abuse of any kind! Do you NOT remember that I posted that study? And you are only aware of it because of the web surfing I did? Assuming a "not explained" case == child abuse is a LIE. A "not explained" case = a fracture or fractures that haven't been investigated to completion... and not the usual CPS completion... the proper and fair completion. You have advocated for removal until it can be investigated. Wrong. I advocate for removal till it can properly be determined as to whether the fractures were accidental or non-accidental. And IMO far less children should be removed immediately because of fractures. Metaphyseal fractures only for one instance. But we are talking about CPS. The witch hunt ensues. Innocent parents are FRAMED with caseworker lies. Contractors aim to please overzealous caseworkers. To got more contracts. As I said before, radiologists as willing to testify for free. Parents can't all hire the "Pro From Dover" to come and counteract local doctors playing sicofant to CPS. When I complained about how these removals mean the child is out for maybe a year, you minimized. Where and when? Citations. But the average is like two years. Citations. About the time the 15/22 rule cuts back money. You justified the removals even though at least 19 out of 20 times they are NOT child abuse. And as I said, far less children should be removed. You said they have to make sure. Exact words? Perhaps not. Paraphrased? Yes. Did Fern lie or misrepresent your position? No. Sure she did... and then she failed to respond when I asked her to prove what she wrote about me. ----------- From: Dan Sullivan ) Subject: Hey Fern! Show me where I said it's "OK." This is the only article in this thread Newsgroups: alt.parenting.spanking Date: 2004-01-13 03:09:43 PST Fern, can you prove your claim about me? You wrote, "Dan apparently feels it is ok to remove a child with fractures, even though it is now a recognizable phenomenon called TBBD. And to keep this child sequestered from his parents for close to a year." Show me where I wrote that it's "OK to remove a child with fractures" caused by TBBD. And "to keep this child sequestered from his parents for close to a year." -------------------------- See where it says "This is the only article in this thread." Furine failed to justify what she claimed about me. If she didn't lie where was her response? She just didn't "buy" your minimization of the TIME to detain 19 not abused kids in order to track down the one who might have been, maybe? That's not what she wrote. "Evaluating" 19 kids because one might have been abused is perpetrating less abuse but MULTIPLIED 19 TIMES. And as I said, far less children should be immediately removed. I believe I could reduce the child abuse and neglect findings in NY by 75%. And the findings of non-accidental fractures by a greater percentage. But then that's because I've done MY homework and I've prevailed over CPS numerous times before. Dan wrote Fern, can you prove your claim about me? And she didn't and neither did you, Greg. |
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PLANT AND WHO WAS Hey Fern! Show me where I said it's "OK."
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PLANT AND WHO WAS Hey Fern! Show me where I said it's "OK."
Advocating for removal of children from
the vicinity of possible abuse when there are unexplained broken bones in 95% of cases is what problem to you, Greegor? I think you made a dictionary scramble out of something there. 95% of all removals for spiral fractures were found to have been non-abuse. 8% were unknown and so POSSIBLY child abuse. But it's also very unfair to think that every UNKNOWN is child abuse. 28 kids (out of 128) in Patersons research were removed forever from their family, and he found that those 28 ALL later were revealed to have ongoing MEDICAL CONDITIONS that explained the spiral fractures. Despite the revelation, the kids were never reunited with their INNOCENT parents, and some of the INNOCENT parents rotted in PRISON. And* Did Paterson seek any reunification of those 28 citing the information he discovered?? 95+ % of all spiral fractures are NOT child abuse. Yet CPS caseworkers, seeking to find the 5% or less, remove the entire 100% from their families because everybody ""knows"" that spiral fractures == child abuse. Those 28 WRONGED kids and 28 sets of WRONGED parents were never set right. 28 kids severed from INNOCENT parents. Because of the MYTH about spiral fractures. And yet Dan argues with me on this. He says caseworkers need to make sure. But he omits that this means removal of large numbers of kids from INNOCENT parents. And that ANY child removal where there was no actual child abuse, is child abuse. Removal based on lies or MYTHS is child abuse. Done by ""Child Protectors"" this is horrific. Removal harms kids. It's not just a small bureaucratic "oopsie". Play your word salad around the 95% Kane. 95% of spiral fractures are NOT child abuse. Removing kids from parents because of spiral fractures is KNOWING CHILD ABUSE on the part of caseworkers. What kind of ""warm welcome"" did you get when you sent the Paterson report to all of the CPS agencies? Was it as heartfelt as you hoped? Straight to the circular file in most cases I bet. What you did is like telling Gotti he's a crook. |
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PLANT AND WHO WAS Hey Fern! Show me where I said it's "OK."
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