| Temp brittle bone disease& false abuse allegations. Infants removed

It's really not enough, Euphonium, to just jump up and down and
point....DO SOMETHING.

On 10 Jan 2004 15:23:13 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

We had a poster on ascps who fought close to a year to have his
infant returned
to the care of his wife and himself.

Looks like the science is NOT that infalliable, after all.

Yet it took medical science to discover and some of us to post and
argue and support and inform about that discovery to child welfare.

Gosh. You are SOOOOOOO helpful Plant. Maybe I've got you wrong, an
Arugula CAN be a real reformer....R R R R R

Let us know when YOU have taken these articles and pieces of research
to YOUR legislature and your state CPS office, will yah, huh?

Please hurry. The more people that bring this to their attention the
more likely they are to get the message sooner and the fewer families
will suffer from false allegations.

Look at it this way. You can PROVE ME WRONG about your blood dancing
tendencies if you do in fact do as I requested above.

My bet is you won't, because you NEED damaged families to keep your
sickness going, Blood Dancer.

Enjoy, you sick ****. Look in the mirror frequently to remind you what
a miserable piece of **** you really are.

Kane

Subject: Temp brittle bone syn exists- Child abuse com. denies
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 1/7/2004 2:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Greg, here it is. Read down to bottom- my comments there.


Subject: Temporary brittle bone dis.& false abuse allegations
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 1/7/2004 10:03 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Subject: Child abuse *experts* shot down-provable temp brittle bone
disease
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 1/7/2004 9:55 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Subject: Temp brittle bone syn exists- Child abuse com. denies
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 1/7/2004 9:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Note: This is an abstract from the respected journal "Bone" which
documents the
existence of temporary brittle bone disease, and which recognizes
what a THREAT
IT POSES TO THE CHILD ABUSE INDUSTRY.


: Bone. 2003 Oct;33(4):466-74. Related Articles, Links


The lesson of temporary brittle bone disease: all bones are not
created equal.

Miller ME.

Temporary brittle bone disease (TBBD) is a recently described
phenotype of
multiple, unexplained fractures in the first year of life and
predominantly in
the first 6 months of life. There is usually no other injury such as
bruising,
subdural hematomas, retinal hemorrhages, or other internal organ
injury. The
susceptibility to fracture is transient, and there are no other
radiographic or
biochemical abnormalities noted in the standard evaluation that might
suggest
an underlying cause. The child abuse and pediatric radiology
communities have,
for the most part, been unwilling to accept this as a real condition,
for they
believe it is a ruse for child abuse. This review describes the
experience of
the author in evaluating infants with multiple unexplained fractures
and the
hypothesis that has emerged for explaining TBBD. The hypothesis is a
prenatal
application of the mechanostat/bone loading theory of bone formation
and states
that TBBD is caused by fetal immobilization which leads to fetal bone
unloading
and transient, relative osteopenia. Such susceptible infants can
fracture with
routine handling and present with a pattern of fractures that is
similar to
that which has been thought to be highly specific for child abuse.
The review
presents: (a) the evidence that indicates that normal fetal movement
is
important for normal fetal bone strength, (b) a critique of the
radiologic
approach in the diagnosis of child abuse in infants with multiple
unexplained
fractures, (c) observations that would indicate that child abuse is
unlikely in
infants with TBBD, and (d) new approaches to the infant with multiple
unexplained fractures that would assist in accurate diagnosis.

Publication Types:
Editorial

PMID: 14555249 [PubMed - in process]

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DESCRIPTORS; CPS, OSTEOGENESIS IMPERFECTA, BONES, SKELETON, INFANCY, CHILD
PROTECTIVE, DSS, DHS,DHR, TDPRS, DHS, DFS, ACS, DHS, DYFS, DFYS, CSB,
FIA,
EARLY CHILDHOOD, BONE FORMATION, CALCIUM, DSS, DCF, DSHS, SKELETAL
ANAMOLIES





The Journal is "Bone" dated 2003.

To find out more--I think it just has the abstract, and NOT the
complete
article, go to:

http://www.pubmed.gov

This is a link to the National Library of Medicine which archives
world-wide
medical publications.

To get a complete full text of article, the Website has links for PAY
for the
complete article. Otherwise, you would have to call a local large
medical
library--like at a medical school affiliated with a university and
see if the
Periodical section subscribes to the Journal "Bone."





Greg asked (I knew this one would create a bombshell! )

From: (Greg Hanson)
Date: 1/7/2004 2:31 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

The child abuse and pediatric radiology communities
have, for the most part, been unwilling to accept this
as a real condition, for they believe it is a ruse for child
abuse. This review describes the experience of the
author in evaluating infants with multiple unexplained
fractures and the hypothesis that has emerged for
explaining TBBD.

Fern, Do you have any links? It looks like there is more.
I would really like to see the rest of this.

My dear old man, you are the one who hurls obscenities at folks, makes enemies
all over and is generally regarded as dangerous.

Not I.


Cain fantasizes:

Subject: | Temp brittle bone disease& false abuse allegations. Infants
removed
From: (Kane)
Date: 1/10/2004 11:13 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

It's really not enough, Euphonium, to just jump up and down and
point....DO SOMETHING.

On 10 Jan 2004 15:23:13 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

We had a poster on ascps who fought close to a year to have his
infant returned
to the care of his wife and himself.

Looks like the science is NOT that infalliable, after all.

Yet it took medical science to discover and some of us to post and
argue and support and inform about that discovery to child welfare.

Gosh. You are SOOOOOOO helpful Plant. Maybe I've got you wrong, an
Arugula CAN be a real reformer....R R R R R

Let us know when YOU have taken these articles and pieces of research
to YOUR legislature and your state CPS office, will yah, huh?

Please hurry. The more people that bring this to their attention the
more likely they are to get the message sooner and the fewer families
will suffer from false allegations.

Look at it this way. You can PROVE ME WRONG about your blood dancing
tendencies if you do in fact do as I requested above.

My bet is you won't, because you NEED damaged families to keep your
sickness going, Blood Dancer.

Enjoy, you sick ****. Look in the mirror frequently to remind you what
a miserable piece of **** you really are.

Kane

Subject: Temp brittle bone syn exists- Child abuse com. denies
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 1/7/2004 2:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Greg, here it is. Read down to bottom- my comments there.


Subject: Temporary brittle bone dis.& false abuse allegations
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 1/7/2004 10:03 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Subject: Child abuse *experts* shot down-provable temp brittle bone
disease
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 1/7/2004 9:55 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Subject: Temp brittle bone syn exists- Child abuse com. denies
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 1/7/2004 9:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Note: This is an abstract from the respected journal "Bone" which
documents the
existence of temporary brittle bone disease, and which recognizes
what a THREAT
IT POSES TO THE CHILD ABUSE INDUSTRY.


: Bone. 2003 Oct;33(4):466-74. Related Articles, Links


The lesson of temporary brittle bone disease: all bones are not
created equal.

Miller ME.

Temporary brittle bone disease (TBBD) is a recently described
phenotype of
multiple, unexplained fractures in the first year of life and
predominantly in
the first 6 months of life. There is usually no other injury such as
bruising,
subdural hematomas, retinal hemorrhages, or other internal organ
injury. The
susceptibility to fracture is transient, and there are no other
radiographic or
biochemical abnormalities noted in the standard evaluation that might
suggest
an underlying cause. The child abuse and pediatric radiology
communities have,
for the most part, been unwilling to accept this as a real condition,
for they
believe it is a ruse for child abuse. This review describes the
experience of
the author in evaluating infants with multiple unexplained fractures
and the
hypothesis that has emerged for explaining TBBD. The hypothesis is a
prenatal
application of the mechanostat/bone loading theory of bone formation
and states
that TBBD is caused by fetal immobilization which leads to fetal bone
unloading
and transient, relative osteopenia. Such susceptible infants can
fracture with
routine handling and present with a pattern of fractures that is
similar to
that which has been thought to be highly specific for child abuse.
The review
presents: (a) the evidence that indicates that normal fetal movement
is
important for normal fetal bone strength, (b) a critique of the
radiologic
approach in the diagnosis of child abuse in infants with multiple
unexplained
fractures, (c) observations that would indicate that child abuse is
unlikely in
infants with TBBD, and (d) new approaches to the infant with multiple
unexplained fractures that would assist in accurate diagnosis.

Publication Types:
Editorial

PMID: 14555249 [PubMed - in process]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------








DESCRIPTORS; CPS, OSTEOGENESIS IMPERFECTA, BONES, SKELETON, INFANCY, CHILD
PROTECTIVE, DSS, DHS,DHR, TDPRS, DHS, DFS, ACS, DHS, DYFS, DFYS, CSB,
FIA,
EARLY CHILDHOOD, BONE FORMATION, CALCIUM, DSS, DCF, DSHS, SKELETAL
ANAMOLIES





The Journal is "Bone" dated 2003.

To find out more--I think it just has the abstract, and NOT the
complete
article, go to:

http://www.pubmed.gov

This is a link to the National Library of Medicine which archives
world-wide
medical publications.

To get a complete full text of article, the Website has links for PAY
for the
complete article. Otherwise, you would have to call a local large
medical
library--like at a medical school affiliated with a university and
see if the
Periodical section subscribes to the Journal "Bone."





Greg asked (I knew this one would create a bombshell! )

From: (Greg Hanson)
Date: 1/7/2004 2:31 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

The child abuse and pediatric radiology communities
have, for the most part, been unwilling to accept this
as a real condition, for they believe it is a ruse for child
abuse. This review describes the experience of the
author in evaluating infants with multiple unexplained
fractures and the hypothesis that has emerged for
explaining TBBD.

Fern, Do you have any links? It looks like there is more.
I would really like to see the rest of this.

"Fern5827" wrote in message
...

My dear old man, you are the one who hurls obscenities at folks, makes
enemies
all over and is generally regarded as dangerous.

Not I.

Kane sent the info I posted on TBBD and the actual percentage of fractures
in children caused non-accidentally to every State CPS is the USA.

How many CPS' did you send them to, Fern?

Did you do anything to make the authorities aware of those studies?

Or are you just taking credit because those studies were posted here and you
post here as well?

Dan

My dear Dan, I certainly am not taking credit.

What I am expressing is that the physicians who publish in "Bone" have verified
the existence of TBBD.

Merely publicizing it to a wider audience.

Did you include a verifiable citation?

I do not remember.

However, posting here, would seem to be the prudent thing to do, since it is
universally acknowledged that CPS cannot do anything right. :-)

I firmly believe that Knowledge is Power, and that posting here will yield more
results.

After all, many children are deprived of infancy bonding experiences which are
IRREPLACEABLE when CPS seizes an infant--as happened to *Loyal Fan* in
Pennsylvania.

You cannot re-create infancy. Those bondings are imprinted upon the soul.

But you've never been a Mother, never bf and never saw that child look up at
you with light, hope and clarity in their eyes.

What you know about bonding, oxytocin, or and the crucial post partum period?

Dan expresses things in a crass way:

Subject: | Temp brittle bone disease& false abuse allegations.
Infants removed
From: "Dan Sullivan"
Date: 1/11/2004 10:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:


"Fern5827" wrote in message
...

My dear old man, you are the one who hurls obscenities at folks, makes
enemies
all over and is generally regarded as dangerous.

Not I.

Kane sent the info I posted on TBBD and the actual percentage of fractures
in children caused non-accidentally to every State CPS is the USA.

How many CPS' did you send them to, Fern?

Did you do anything to make the authorities aware of those studies?

Or are you just taking credit because those studies were posted here and you
post here as well?

Dan

Dan, Are you getting a BIT obsessed with
getting credit for Paterson's work?

The purpose here is NOT for your EGO.

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...

Dan, Are you getting a BIT obsessed with
getting credit for Paterson's work?

I'm not taking credit for Paterson's work.

I simply find it odd that you should continuously refer to information from
Paterson's study as if I was unfamiliar with it.

Especially when I was responsible for posting that particular study on the
NG.

BTW when was the last time you posted information of value?

More to the point... when did you ever post information of value?

Are you gonna cite that Motion To Be Relieved Of Inappropriate Services?

:-DDDDDDDDDDDDD

On 22 Jan 2004 03:15:48 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Dan, Are you getting a BIT obsessed with
getting credit for Paterson's work?

Dan's taking credit for the research? Damn, I knew he was too good to
be true.

I thought he was just using it as a tool.

Well, Ol' Dan Sullivan sure fooled me, now didn't he.

I'll have to make friends with you so I can hang out with someone that
never lies, is hard working, and have saved numerous families from
losing their children.

The purpose here is NOT for your EGO.

Yeah, who does he think he is taking credit for Patterson's research
and work?

He should stick to what he's good at.

So should you.

Your record so far is probably no more than a week or two short of a
world record for living with a couch growing out your ass. Call
Ripley's. There may be other contenders. Leaky could have designs on
your thunder.

Saaaay now, isn't this the third or fourth time this week that you've
alerted me to the depredations of Dan Sullivan and his claims. I've
got to thank you. Thanks.


Kane