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The real story behind the paddle vs. no-paddle states map
The real story told by the paddle - no-paddle states map is the same as
the story of the red states - blue states map. It is a story that is older than the American Civil War. In fact, it goes all the way back the feuding regional factions that wrote The Constitution of the United States. Because of its deep roots in attitudes, the conflict is not going away anytime soon. The regional antagonism in America is much the same as the centuries old battle that London has had in subduing Ireland and Scotland. While Londoners often think themselves as superior to their rebellious cousins in the North, they have never quite been able to put the rogues under their thumb. Even expansionist Imperial Roman knew where to draw the line on that bit of folly! Although heavily influenced by Virginia ruling elites and opposed by numerous New York farmers, the American Constitution of 1787 was written mostly by men with Northern sediments for a stronger central government than possible under a confederacy. The Southern preference for a looser form of government was the primary reason that the North had to make so many concessions to the South while the second constitution was being written. Even after ratification of the second and current Constitution of the United States, most Southerners believed in the original constitution written a decade earlier. When regional feuding finally erupted in Civil War, the confederacy dictated by the original American constitution was reflected in construction of the Confederate States governmental structure. As anyone who has ever investigated Southern culture is quite aware, it is an idea that never really died. Among the primary causes of the Civil War was an attempt by a mercantile North to impose its economic and political will on a more agrarian South. With industrialization and non-slave cheap labor arriving in the form of fresh immigrants, the North viewed the South more as a colony supplying raw materials, from which finished goods were to be made and sold back to the colony, rather than as an equal partner in the new nation. The Civil War was fought less over slavery than over states' rights. Among the various proofs is the fact that the famous Emancipation Proclamation was not issued until almost halfway through the bloody conflict rather than 2 years earlier when the new president took office. While Abraham Lincoln said that the nation could not survive half slave and half free, he also said that if the could preserve the Union without freeing the slaves, he would do so! The victorious North left the latter fact out of its sanitized history books. Even after victory, the North continued to impose its will on the South during Reconstruction. The secondary conflict gave rise to the infamous Ku Klux Klan. Much the same attempt to impose Northern will on Southern soil was made a century later during legal battles over racial desegregation and integration. The renewed imposition resulted in widespread revival of the old Confederate *stars and bars* battle flag as a symbol of resistance. Less obvious efforts of cultural domination have included the Northern inventions of IQ testing and college board examinations in education. Not surprisingly, Southerners and blacks were usually deemed inferior to Northern whites when measured by these standards. In addition to issues such as gun control versus Second Amendment, the North-South cultural battlefield has moved to paddle versus no-paddle. The lines are drawn along similar boundaries to those at the start of the Civil War and that now divide the country between predominantly Democratic versus predominantly Republican voting precincts. That is why the no-paddle movement swept like wildfire through mostly Northern states and then suddenly fizzle like a firebrand plunged into cold water. The great North-South divide of the country is much like a bad marriage from which no divorce has been possible. After the reelection of George W. Bush, actually a renegade Northern elitist rather than a native Southerner, elements in the Democratic Northeast threatened to secede and join Canada. However, that never happened. Nor, is it likely to ever happen. For one thing, Northerners are no fonder of Canadians than they are of Southerners! For another, most Northerners really don't like the European way of doing things unless it can be used to hammer the South. The paddle - no-paddle map is less about paddling than it is a 2 centuries old regional antagonism that is reflected in both history and current politics! Only now, the North can't call out armed federal troops to enforce educational no-paddle zones. To the rest of the world, it would look too much like George W. Bush invading Iraq. |
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The real story behind the paddle vs. no-paddle states map
Opinions wrote: The real story told by the paddle - no-paddle states map is the same as the story of the red states - blue states map. It is a story that is older than the American Civil War. In fact, it goes all the way back the feuding regional factions that wrote The Constitution of the United States. Because of its deep roots in attitudes, the conflict is not going away anytime soon. Depends on what you mean by soon. Is that what you are relying on? Hell, the length of time the slavery, women's emancipation, and children's protection from exploitation took just about the time, each, that issues over child corporal punishment have been debated on this planet. And we do, more than occasionally, follow the example of other nations. Check up when Poland passed the first law on child protection...that included protection from spanking. The regional antagonism in America is much the same as the centuries old battle that London has had in subduing Ireland and Scotland. While Londoners often think themselves as superior to their rebellious cousins in the North, they have never quite been able to put the rogues under their thumb. Even expansionist Imperial Roman knew where to draw the line on that bit of folly! Both still have to abide by the law of the land. One way or the other. Are you planning an insurection, should you compulsives and apologists for hitting children lose? R R R R Go for it. I'd like to see the lot of you in jail for awhile. We managed to get a few of you now, that think they are "spanking," but in fact are abusing. Although heavily influenced by Virginia ruling elites and opposed by numerous New York farmers, the American Constitution of 1787 was written mostly by men with Northern sediments for a stronger central government than possible under a confederacy. "Sediments?" They had particulate settling out of their formulary? Then look what happened, bubbah. The north won then, and again later, on the issue of federalism. And oddly, a slave owner was one of those that campained for more centralized government...I think intelligent and forward looking enough to know that slavery would end one day. Jefferson was his name. The Southern preference for a looser form of government was the primary reason that the North had to make so many concessions to the South while the second constitution was being written. Even after ratification of the second and current Constitution of the United States, most Southerners believed in the original constitution written a decade earlier. Concessions? You haven't read the federalist papers, and the understand the outcome then, do you? We do not charge tarrifs for interstate commerce. Various offenses that happen across state lines do in fact bring the feds right into the picture. We have federal law superceding state law (not that I'm an advocate in all matters). When regional feuding finally erupted in Civil War, "Regional feuding?" What "regional feuding" are you referring to? Every encounter leading up to the war between the states was clearly of national scope even if geographically small in action. You don't really think John Brown was just interested in one state's disagreement with another, do you? the confederacy dictated by the original American constitution was reflected in construction of the Confederate States governmental structure. As anyone who has ever investigated Southern culture is quite aware, it is an idea that never really died. Yep, but so what? The are still subject to federal law, and when it becomes a federal law that parents and other caregivers cannot strike children for any reason other than self defense, they will conform or be fined and jailed. North AND South. Just like now. Among the primary causes of the Civil War was an attempt by a mercantile North to impose its economic and political will on a more agrarian South. Yep. Worked too. With industrialization and non-slave cheap labor arriving in the form of fresh immigrants, the North viewed the South more as a colony supplying raw materials, from which finished goods were to be made and sold back to the colony, rather than as an equal partner in the new nation. Yep. That's how the South keeps describing it. The North does not. You need to read some history that does not come in compromised text books. The Civil War was fought less over slavery than over states' rights. Doesn't matter. More or less, it still was partially to end slavery. It did so in this country, as an institution. Among the various proofs is the fact that the famous Emancipation Proclamation was not issued until almost halfway through the bloody conflict rather than 2 years earlier when the new president took office. That doesn't matter in the least, and has little to nothing to do with any attempt by you sad losers to stop what is coming: a legal end to the institution of spanking. While Abraham Lincoln said that the nation could not survive half slave and half free, he also said that if the could preserve the Union without freeing the slaves, he would do so! The victorious North left the latter fact out of its sanitized history books. Please show how that relates to ending spanking, legally? Someone going to use it to push another issue...some economic disparity maybe? Not likely. It will be about what it is about, cruelty to children and the cowards and ignorant fools that perpetuated and perpetrate it. You will go to jail if you break the law. Even after victory, the North continued to impose its will on the South during Reconstruction. Yep. The secondary conflict gave rise to the infamous Ku Klux Klan. Runnin' out of white sheets are yah? Are we going to have, after the no-spank law or laws are passed, a group that puts on Ronald costumes, burns Barney, and spanks effigies of children? R R R R RR Much the same attempt to impose Northern will on Southern soil was made a century later during legal battles over racial desegregation and integration. The renewed imposition resulted in widespread revival of the old Confederate *stars and bars* battle flag as a symbol of resistance. You seem so out of touch with reality. This interesting but odd side track shows just how both ignorant and pixilated you are. Less obvious efforts of cultural domination have included the Northern inventions of IQ testing and college board examinations in education. Not surprisingly, Southerners and blacks were usually deemed inferior to Northern whites when measured by these standards. Examples please? Some of the best colleges in the nation reside in the South. In addition to issues such as gun control versus Second Amendment, the North-South cultural battlefield has moved to paddle versus no-paddle. No it hasn't. I'm a fervent gun rights advocate, a staunch supporter personally and economically of the second amendment. I am licensed and I carry. I have for many many years. And I am against spanking. And support laws to put an end to it. The lines are drawn along similar boundaries to those at the start of the Civil War and that now divide the country between predominantly Democratic versus predominantly Republican voting precincts. That is why the no-paddle movement swept like wildfire through mostly Northern states and then suddenly fizzle like a firebrand plunged into cold water. Odd, it's still growing. There are more websites now than their were a year ago on this subject, and in support of an end to it. And the support of spanking by the public is dropping every year. The great North-South divide of the country is much like a bad marriage from which no divorce has been possible. No, we get along just fine. We travel north south east and west and live in many places during our lives that we did not come from. In fact I have lots of southerners living around me. I wonder what made them leave...... 0:- After the reelection of George W. Bush, actually a renegade Northern elitist rather than a native Southerner, elements in the Democratic Northeast threatened to secede and join Canada. However, that never happened. Nor, is it likely to ever happen. For one thing, Northerners are no fonder of Canadians than they are of Southerners! For another, most Northerners really don't like the European way of doing things unless it can be used to hammer the South. Yammer yammer hammer. The paddle - no-paddle map is less about paddling than it is a 2 centuries old regional antagonism that is reflected in both history and current politics! Only now, the North can't call out armed federal troops to enforce educational no-paddle zones. To the rest of the world, it would look too much like George W. Bush invading Iraq. No, it's about paddling, and nothing else. You'd love to throw in anything possible to distract and confuse, but those of us that are end of spanking adovocates are far too intelligent and educated to let you get away with it. We'll just keep bringing information about how children turn out better, as I did AGAIN today, with the research finding that showed spanked children to be more aggressive and anxious. They also, if you read the research are shown to have more problems as adults. Problems with marriage, drug use, alcoholism, suicide, depression, and economics. Everyone that matters wants what's best for their children and they do watch and respond to such information. Pretty desperate, aren't yah? R R R R R R R 0:- |
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