Danish Study on Fantasy Autism-Thimerosal Link

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 18:57:48 -0400, Kathy Cole
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:49:55 GMT, Peter Bowditch
wrote:

Because I see them cite things which they know to be untrue.

Just because it's been pointed out to them as untrue doesn't mean they
accept it as untrue, unfortunately.

Something simple such as the fact that MMR does not and has never had
thimerosal is not subject to debate or belief. It is a simple matter
of fact. Thimerosal would ruin the cell cultures in which the live
virus vaccine is created.

PF

"PF Riley" wrote
Something simple such as the fact that MMR does not and has never had
thimerosal is not subject to debate or belief. It is a simple matter

Thimerosal was in other vaccines (and still is, in smaller amounts).
People were concerned about the total amount of mercury
that goes into kids.

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in
. net:

"PF Riley" wrote
Something simple such as the fact that MMR does not and has never had
thimerosal is not subject to debate or belief. It is a simple matter

Thimerosal was in other vaccines (and still is, in smaller amounts).
People were concerned about the total amount of mercury
that goes into kids.

Which excuses statements that the thimerosal in MMR causes autism exactly
how?

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
t...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/04/health/04VACC.html
From the article...
"In the study, published this week in the journal Pediatrics, a team of
Danish doctors counted all the diagnoses of autism in the country from
1971
to 2000. They found no decrease after 1992, when Denmark became the
first
country in the world to ban the preservative, thimerosal.

So is Denmark going to put thimerosal back in the vaccines? No.

Notice how Denmark is about 8 years ahead of the USA on this
issue. It is probably because vaccines are voluntary in Denmark.

Being a mind-reader again, Roger?

There is no law that makes vaccine mandatory in the US, either.

Jeff

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 05:42:35 GMT, (PF Riley) wrote:

Something simple such as the fact that MMR does not and has never had
thimerosal is not subject to debate or belief. It is a simple matter
of fact. Thimerosal would ruin the cell cultures in which the live
virus vaccine is created.

I recognize this, you recognize this, and the other rational people
recognize this. That doesn't seem to slow the loonies down.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
et...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/04/health/04VACC.html

From the article...

"In the study, published this week in the journal Pediatrics, a team
of
Danish doctors counted all the diagnoses of autism in the country
from
1971
to 2000. They found no decrease after 1992, when Denmark became the
first
country in the world to ban the preservative, thimerosal.

Rather, autism diagnoses continued to skyrocket on the same
trajectory
that
began in the late 1980's, rising from less than one case per 10,000
Danish
youngsters in 1990 to more than three a decade later."

The article points out how the anti-mercury/vaccinationistas
attempted
to
discount the findings, and were shown to be wrong.

Oh well, the anti-vac liars will have to cook up some new whacko
ideas.

I don't think most of the anti-vaccination people are liars. They
believe
what they say.

However, this articles demonstrates another line of evidence that
vaccines
do not cause autism. The article certainly does not prove it. But
this,
along with many scientific studies clearly demonstrates that neither
mercury
nor vaccines contribute the rise of autism and that mercury and
vaccines
cause very few, at most.

Sadly, the people who so much want to prevent autism are wasting so
many
resources on this hypothesis which has practically been totally
disproved.
How sad that that these people don't put their energy to good use.

Agreed. A Newsweek article pointed out that a study whowed that Autism
is
substantially more often found in boys. If boys and girls get equal
amounts
of vaccines, then, there is another factor whic mitigates against the
vaccination claims.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/959486.asp

http://www.msnbc.com/news/958646.asp

However, if mercury somehow makes one more susceptible to whatever causes
autism, you can still end up with more boys than girls affected.

Either way, the people who believe that autism is caused by vaccines have
yet to provide much evidence that autism is caused by vaccines. In
addition,
there is very convincing evidence that autism is not caused by vaccines,
including developmental neuroscience, pathology and immunology.

I think you let the anti-vacs off too lightly. There has never been any
evidence showing that there is a causal link. None. Nada. What they use is,
as best conjecture or stupidity. At worst, outright lies.

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
t...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/04/health/04VACC.html
From the article...
"In the study, published this week in the journal Pediatrics, a team of
Danish doctors counted all the diagnoses of autism in the country from
1971
to 2000. They found no decrease after 1992, when Denmark became the
first
country in the world to ban the preservative, thimerosal.

So is Denmark going to put thimerosal back in the vaccines? No.

Notice how Denmark is about 8 years ahead of the USA on this
issue. It is probably because vaccines are voluntary in Denmark.

It sure does provide powerful evidecne that thiemrosal is not a problem. Of
course it will not be re-intoruduced as it would give the anti-vac liars
more fodder. AFAIC, they can starve.

Kathy Cole wrote:

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 05:42:35 GMT, (PF Riley) wrote:

Something simple such as the fact that MMR does not and has never had
thimerosal is not subject to debate or belief. It is a simple matter
of fact. Thimerosal would ruin the cell cultures in which the live
virus vaccine is created.

I recognize this, you recognize this, and the other rational people
recognize this. That doesn't seem to slow the loonies down.

Which is why I say that the people who keep repeating it are not
mistaken, they are lying.

--
Peter Bowditch
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/04/health/04VACC.html
From the article...
"In the study, published this week in the journal Pediatrics, a team of
Danish doctors counted all the diagnoses of autism in the country from
1971
to 2000. They found no decrease after 1992, when Denmark became the first
country in the world to ban the preservative, thimerosal.

So is Denmark going to put thimerosal back in the vaccines? No.

Notice how Denmark is about 8 years ahead of the USA on this
issue. It is probably because vaccines are voluntary in Denmark.

Vaccine coverage rates are as good or better than anywhere else in
Europe - seems voluntary is quite enough.

js

"Eric Bohlman" wrote
Thimerosal was in other vaccines (and still is, in smaller amounts).
People were concerned about the total amount of mercury
that goes into kids.
Which excuses statements that the thimerosal in MMR causes autism exactly
how?

What statements? I don't know what statements you are referring to,
but I think you missed the point. Most people don't like thimerosal in
vaccines, and they don't want it in any vaccines. US kids now get
about 21 vaccine shots between birth and age 2, and it is hard to
keep track of which have thimerosal and which don't.

Apparently someone in this thread thinks he found an example
of some anonymous person making a slight and inconsequential
misstatement of the facts. Big deal. The fact is that thimerosal was being
used in several childhood vaccines at level that exceeded safety
regulations.