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Better a child be eaten alive than become a ward of the state! was We don need no steenkin' CPS.
"Coleah" wrote in message ... "Dragon's Girl" wrote in message t... "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... I don't know who you are, maggie, but this was one of the sickest and cruelist statements I have read for a long time. It is "better for a child to be eaten alive by a brown rat than he become a ward of the state." That's par for the course with 'kill CPS' nuts. The mentality scares me. They would rather see their child dead than in foster care. Makes you wonder how far many of them are from killing their own children. Children are not removed from their home for no good reason. Most times the situation is an upset to deal with for everyone, certainly. Are all foster homes the same? No, but they are supervised, monitored and tracked. Years ago my neighbors took in younger kids (4-8 yrs old or so). I expressed my (documented) observations and experiences with this family to the DSF authorities and their lost their ability to be foster parents (and probably put them under monitoring for their own children). They put their house up for sale and moved, and yes, it was obvious they took in kids for the money alone. On the other hand, I had observations of another foster home in which the number of children were limited, they received quality attention and the foster mother even warmed clothes in the dryer before the kids got dressed for school on cold mornings. CPS is doing their job and are directed by the legal (juvenile court) system. If there are homes that are not up to par......advise CPS. If there are outstanding foster homes, praise them to CPS. If you really have an issue, become a foster parent yourself and do the best you can. My grandson's PAT has much contact with foster families through her job. She has told me that most of the homes she would not leave a dog in, much less a child. I am sure that she knows the standard as she was a DFS worker over 20 years ago. I, myself, stayed in a foster home on the South Side of Chicago that housed so many kids there was no way these parents were able to keep track of the kids. I slept in a room for 'temps'...a small room that was only large enough to contain two sets of bunk beds, and one four drawer dresser. There was a small path between beds to walk...and at my size now, I doubt I could fit. I was removed from that home after only several days, as were all the other children, because the foster father had dozens of accusations of sexual abuse filed against him. I lived in another where myself, and one other girl were made to sleep on the floor and the 'permanents' got the beds. I've had many experiences such as this...and then.... I met a family from Round Lake Beach who were the best family a kid could ever hope for. The parents attended church, took in troubled teens, took care of them like their own children, were loving, kind, considerate, and my mental image of their home (which I never lived in) was of a bright place with warm music and lots of food and conversation, and warm clothes. I was very ignorant of the facts five years ago, when my grandaughter was placed in foster care, and I think that fear alone probably influenced my thoughts on her foster family. I have since come to realize that she's been cared for very well, and her foster mother, who is now her adoptive mother, has take very good care of her with the utmost concern for her health and well being. She's a tad spoiled and her mom apparently has ther best interests in mind always. So, it's the flip of the coin which homes are good, and which are not, but I do think that closer tabs by the state could eliminate some of the lower standard places. Shoot, it wouldn't even have to cost the state. They could form a volunteer group to do surprise inspections and fill out a simple questionaire that would include questions like 'what was the overall conditon of the home in terms of cleanliness?', 'In observing the children did they appear to interact well with the parents in the home?', 'Did the children appear to be dressed neatly in good clothing appropriate for present weather?' etc. and this could be sent to the state for review and use in determining whether or not a license is continued. I think Senior citizens would be perfect for the job. There are ways to combat poor foster homes, and it can be easily done with the help of the community. Just as the police have been overburdoned and Crimestoppers, Neighborhood Watch, and other programs have been started to help ease that burdon, so programs could be started to help with the foster care system at no cost to the tax payers. One thing I note about most of the conversations in this group Coleah...there are a lot of complaints about DFS...there are few offerings of 'fixes' from anyone doing the complaining. As with everything else 'government', it only changes when the people take a stand against it. It's unfortunate that the people yelling the most, and capable of making the biggest impact are working toward the wrong solution: termination of DFS. The solution is BETTER care, not NO CARE. With some thoughts it could be accomplished, making care better for the kids, removal less likely, and easing overloaded cases. Just doesn't seem that most are interested in that. (Hi boys and girls, this is Grover, and the phrase of the day is 'Kill CPS'. Can you say that with me?) |
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Better a child be eaten alive than become a ward of the state!
Dragon's Girl wrote:
"Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... I don't know who you are, maggie, but this was one of the sickest and cruelist statements I have read for a long time. It is "better for a child to be eaten alive by a brown rat than he become a ward of the state." That's par for the course with 'kill CPS' nuts. The mentality scares me. They would rather see their child dead than in foster care. Makes you wonder how far many of them are from killing their own children. Some with the body on hand. Dead. Over a thousand a year. My bet is not ONE of those murderous parents thinks CPS is a useful agency. Nearly 1,500 a year kill their children. Pretty much year in and year out. Think how that mounts up in totals. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...four.htm#child Number of Child Fatalities During 2004, an estimated 1,490 children died (compared to 1,460 children for 2003) from abuse or neglect ... Age and Sex of Fatalities Based on data from 32 States, more than fourfifths (81.0%) of children who were killed were younger than 4 years of age, 11.5 percent were 4-7 years of age, 4.1 percent were 8-11 years of age, and 3.4 percent were 12-17 years of age (figure 4-1). The youngest children experienced the highest rates of fatalities. Infant boys (younger than 1 year) had a fatality rate of 18 deaths per 100,000 boys of the same age.3 Infant girls (younger than 1 year) had a fatality rate of 17 deaths per 100,000 girls of the same age. In general, fatality rates for both boys and girls decreased with the age of the children. ... Real children. Living, breathing, precious children. Just like our own. Only now dead. Forever. By the hand of their parents. Does our lil 'o' have problems? Oh.....I'd say so. About a thousand children a year that die at the hands of their parents do so because of "discipline" that escalated to murder. In other words, two thirds of the total each year were "disciplined to death." And these creeps wonder why anyone would be interested in legislation to end spanking. 0:- You have mental and emotional problems, dear. You have an incredible need for attention, and you either believe what you post, or you need the attention that results from such posts. Would you recommend finding all the children being made a ward of the state, kidnapping them, and letting them die horrible deaths instead? Would you prefer robbing them of a future? I wouldn't and I could point you to adults who were wards of the state as children who I doubt would prefer to have been eaten by rats. Good grief. LaVonne wrote: ooooooooooh, noooooooooo, you constipated asshole..............it is you who want to put children at much greater risk than i could ever dream of doing............even something as stupid as bringing a brown rat into a house only has the potential for doing damage to a child than can been seen and treated.............placement does damage that is not easily seen, can more easily be concealed, and is always denied...........better the child be eaten alive by a brown rat than he become a ward of the state............ -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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Better a child be eaten alive than become a ward of the state!
Dragon's Girl wrote:
"Coleah" wrote in message ... "Dragon's Girl" wrote in message t... "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... I don't know who you are, maggie, but this was one of the sickest and cruelist statements I have read for a long time. It is "better for a child to be eaten alive by a brown rat than he become a ward of the state." That's par for the course with 'kill CPS' nuts. The mentality scares me. They would rather see their child dead than in foster care. Makes you wonder how far many of them are from killing their own children. Children are not removed from their home for no good reason. Most times the situation is an upset to deal with for everyone, certainly. Are all foster homes the same? No, but they are supervised, monitored and tracked. Years ago my neighbors took in younger kids (4-8 yrs old or so). I expressed my (documented) observations and experiences with this family to the DSF authorities and their lost their ability to be foster parents (and probably put them under monitoring for their own children). They put their house up for sale and moved, and yes, it was obvious they took in kids for the money alone. On the other hand, I had observations of another foster home in which the number of children were limited, they received quality attention and the foster mother even warmed clothes in the dryer before the kids got dressed for school on cold mornings. CPS is doing their job and are directed by the legal (juvenile court) system. If there are homes that are not up to par......advise CPS. If there are outstanding foster homes, praise them to CPS. If you really have an issue, become a foster parent yourself and do the best you can. My grandson's PAT has much contact with foster families through her job. She has told me that most of the homes she would not leave a dog in, much less a child. I am sure that she knows the standard as she was a DFS worker over 20 years ago. I, myself, stayed in a foster home on the South Side of Chicago that housed so many kids there was no way these parents were able to keep track of the kids. I slept in a room for 'temps'...a small room that was only large enough to contain two sets of bunk beds, and one four drawer dresser. There was a small path between beds to walk...and at my size now, I doubt I could fit. I was removed from that home after only several days, as were all the other children, because the foster father had dozens of accusations of sexual abuse filed against him. I lived in another where myself, and one other girl were made to sleep on the floor and the 'permanents' got the beds. I've had many experiences such as this...and then.... I met a family from Round Lake Beach who were the best family a kid could ever hope for. The parents attended church, took in troubled teens, took care of them like their own children, were loving, kind, considerate, and my mental image of their home (which I never lived in) was of a bright place with warm music and lots of food and conversation, and warm clothes. I was very ignorant of the facts five years ago, when my grandaughter was placed in foster care, and I think that fear alone probably influenced my thoughts on her foster family. I have since come to realize that she's been cared for very well, and her foster mother, who is now her adoptive mother, has take very good care of her with the utmost concern for her health and well being. She's a tad spoiled and her mom apparently has ther best interests in mind always. So, it's the flip of the coin which homes are good, and which are not, but I do think that closer tabs by the state could eliminate some of the lower standard places. Shoot, it wouldn't even have to cost the state. They could form a volunteer group to do surprise inspections and fill out a simple questionaire that would include questions like 'what was the overall conditon of the home in terms of cleanliness?', 'In observing the children did they appear to interact well with the parents in the home?', 'Did the children appear to be dressed neatly in good clothing appropriate for present weather?' etc. and this could be sent to the state for review and use in determining whether or not a license is continued. I think Senior citizens would be perfect for the job. There are ways to combat poor foster homes, and it can be easily done with the help of the community. Just as the police have been overburdoned and Crimestoppers, Neighborhood Watch, and other programs have been started to help ease that burdon, so programs could be started to help with the foster care system at no cost to the tax payers. One thing I note about most of the conversations in this group Coleah...there are a lot of complaints about DFS...there are few offerings of 'fixes' from anyone doing the complaining. As with everything else 'government', it only changes when the people take a stand against it. It's unfortunate that the people yelling the most, and capable of making the biggest impact are working toward the wrong solution: termination of DFS. The solution is BETTER care, not NO CARE. With some thoughts it could be accomplished, making care better for the kids, removal less likely, and easing overloaded cases. Just doesn't seem that most are interested in that. What? WHAT!!!!? You have anything good or even neutral to say about CPS or foster care? Obviously then, according to the Gospel of Greggor the Whore, you are a CPS lackey. Shame on you. 0;- Stop pretending you have a balanced view. You are fooling anyone, you CPS lackey....eheheheheh (Hi boys and girls, this is Grover, and the phrase of the day is 'Kill CPS'. Can you say that with me?) I could kill it dead in less than a week...if I was all powerful. I'd just cause all parents to stop hurting and killing their children. Pfffit! Gone, like a wisp of fog. No more CPS. 0:- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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Better a child be eaten alive than become a ward of the state! was We don need no steenkin' CPS.
aaaaaaaaaaaaah, my little scumsquat, you really have to be one of the
most ****ed up people on the face of this earth............you're a war mongering baby killer claiming to love children..........the country looses 1/10,000 of the child population to abuse and neglect, while the country loses 5/1,000 of its babies due to poor healthcare........... your society, as you fondly call it, ranks right up there with hungary, malta, poland and slovakia in infant mortality for the industralized world and you want a witch hunt to root out unfit parents...........you're degenerate and ****ed up............pointing out that you and cps are ****ed up is not the same a hating children...........go bomb a few women and children...........maybe it will make you feel better, baby killer...........apparently that's all you were ever fit to do............ ]:^ runs around her dog lot barking about deaths caused by unfit parents......... |
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Better a child be eaten alive than become a ward of the state! was We don need no steenkin' CPS.
nooooooooooooo, it's your mentality that scares
me..................you're a left-wing version of the right-wing buffoons who would drain every dollar from every future generation's pocketbook to fight every real and imagined enemy lurking in your stupid little mind...............you don't happen to be related to georgie poo bush, do you................ dragon girl says i scare her............ |
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how white liberals screwed themselves
about 40 years ago, the mostly white liberal female loony left decided
to save the world by not having children.............the notion that quality was more important than quantity justified capta, cps, and related bureaucratic nightmares............childless gay marriage and the single lifestyle were byproducts of depopulation thinking.................about the same time, liberals pushed for diversity..............the united states stopped being a melting pot conforming to white middleclass values and started being an ethnic salad bowl.............today, thanks largely to those decisions couple with the right-wing's insatiable appetite for cheap labor, half of all children under five in the united states are hispanic.........the aging, mostly white, baby boomers will begin to fill assisted living centers and nursing homes when today's hispanic preschoolers come of age.........today's average while female schooteacher will be retired..........except for remants of the super rich, the white grip on power will slip away.........increasingly, aging whites will become an old tail trying to wag a young dog.........many hispanics come from a tradition believing the western part of the united states was stolen by greedy whites..........the attitude is the land belongs to mexico, not to washington and should rightfully be reclaimed by the people from whom it was taken........hispanics have been the one group that does not wish to assimilate...........while the liberal white media tries to put a positive spin on the changes, many hispanics view white values with the same loathing as some native american cultures and for much the same reason...........the emerging demographic pattern and separatist attitude among hispanics has broad implications for the future of mostly white liberal female institutions such as cps and public education..........it's not that america will be overthrown...........instead, some very radical white institutions will be recast in a very different mold and given a different point of view...........when it happens, liberal whites will have no one to blame but themselves.......... |
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Her half a brain is loony
soooooooooo, who said "cats do not respond well to negative
reinforcement...........you can't force a cat to do anything"...........but thanks for agreeing that ]:^ is female........ |
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Better a child be eaten alive than become a ward of the state! was We don need no steenkin' CPS.
wrote in message oups.com... nooooooooooooo, it's your mentality that scares me..................you're a left-wing version of the right-wing buffoons who would drain every dollar from every future generation's pocketbook to fight every real and imagined enemy lurking in your stupid little mind...............you don't happen to be related to georgie poo bush, do you................ No, I actually happen to be related to a chronic alcoholic and child abuser/neglecter who lost eight children to the system. And I'm thankful for those children that she did. DFS. Those *******s. Ran off with her 'bay-bies' after a slice and dice job on one thigh, several instances of drunkeness while pregnant, bruising, hair pulling, yelling, screaming, etc etc etc. Ever see a three year old picked up by the hair about one foot from the ground and carried around in a parental fit of anger? I don't know how those DFS people sleep at night. Talk about better off dead than in foster care? HELL! They WOULD be dead if they weren't in foster care. I think you hate kids. Is that so? dragon girl says i scare her............ |
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