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Death By Spanking
In a thread called Death By Spanking, started by Kane
Kane posted: 1 From: 0:- Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:58 pm The Department of Health and Human Services and the New England Journal of Medicine estimate that 1,000 to 2,000 children die every year in the U.S. from corporal punishment that has escalated to a lethal level. They estimate that 142,000 are seriously injured annually. 1 http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking.htm That's the problem I've pointed out here for a couple of years. Parents often do NOT know where the boundaries are, and cross them all to easily. Even a child jumping away or startling or making a normal human protective move can be badly injured or killed. Why risk it? -------------------------------------------------------- 1. Holly Rossi, "Sparing the Rod," Beliefnet.com, 2005-FEB, at: http://www.beliefnet.com/ Did anybody check out this footnote? Kane left it off. Intentionally? Would Holly Rossi be able to cite the exact issue of the NEJM?? But I thought the website was funny for other reasons: Copyright © 2002 to 2005 by Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance Latest update: 2005-FEB-28 Author: B.A. Robinson Where is this "Sue" that Kane blames for the NEJM misinformation? |
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Death By Spanking
Greegor wrote:
In a thread called Death By Spanking, started by Kane Kane posted: 1 From: 0:- Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:58 pm The Department of Health and Human Services and the New England Journal of Medicine estimate that 1,000 to 2,000 children die every year in the U.S. from corporal punishment that has escalated to a lethal level. They estimate that 142,000 are seriously injured annually. 1 http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking.htm That's the problem I've pointed out here for a couple of years. Parents often do NOT know where the boundaries are, and cross them all to easily. Even a child jumping away or startling or making a normal human protective move can be badly injured or killed. Why risk it? -------------------------------------------------------- 1. Holly Rossi, "Sparing the Rod," Beliefnet.com, 2005-FEB, at: http://www.beliefnet.com/ Did anybody check out this footnote? Kane left it off. Intentionally? Nope. Would Holly Rossi be able to cite the exact issue of the NEJM?? Darned if I know. Ask her. Her e-mail addy was available. But I thought the website was funny for other reasons: Copyright © 2002 to 2005 by Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance Latest update: 2005-FEB-28 Author: B.A. Robinson What would be funny about this? Where is this "Sue" that Kane blames for the NEJM misinformation? You didn't read the article? AGAIN? "Sue" is the person being quoted by the author: http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking.htm And I fully identified her earlier. Sue Lawrence, of Ban The Rod notoriety. And a brave and courageous women in my book. A decent loving human being that does not want to see children assaulted under the guise of "biblical reprimand." Willing to stand up against people of her own faith and argue against they practices and beliefs concerning the use of CP. That takes guts YOU don't have, Greg. You can't find these people? And you are terrified to ask them directly, aren't you? Because you have called one or both liars, publicly, didn't you? And didn't others here? She was willing to risk legal action against her for going public against The Rod. Put her and her children's future on the line economically. She AND her husband. And you, Greg? You are willing to interfere in a child's life and threaten to sue the state, which has NO penalties for making any statement against them publicly that you wish (since they are a government agency and cannot SUE YOU back.) You are a coward, she is a courageous woman. 0:- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Death By Spanking
Where's the NEJM article then?
How much courage would it take to cite the NEJM article? |
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Total ignorance: was Death By Spanking
See comments below:
Greegor wrote: In a thread called Death By Spanking, started by Kane Kane posted: 1 From: 0:- Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:58 pm The Department of Health and Human Services and the New England Journal of Medicine estimate that 1,000 to 2,000 children die every year in the U.S. from corporal punishment that has escalated to a lethal level. They estimate that 142,000 are seriously injured annually. 1 http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking.htm That's the problem I've pointed out here for a couple of years. Parents often do NOT know where the boundaries are, and cross them all to easily. Even a child jumping away or startling or making a normal human protective move can be badly injured or killed. A child jumjping away, startling, or making a normal human protective move has nothing to do with parents crossing the line. Parents do no inflict this response, this is a normal human reaction. Parents have the responsibility of creating the safest and best environment possible for their children. Spanking is a deliberate decision made on the part of the parents to subject their child to pain and humiliation at their hands, and acceptance of not only subjecting this on their child, but risking long-term negative outcomes. Why risk it? One doesn't place a child at risk for reflexive, normal human protective behaviors. One places a child at risk when one chooses to spank a child. Spanking is a deliberate and consciencious decision made by the parent/school/caregiver. No one deliberately inflicts on a child the behaviora of "jumping away or startling or making a normal human protective move" Good grief. This is so incredibly ignorant. LaVopnne -------------------------------------------------------- 1. Holly Rossi, "Sparing the Rod," Beliefnet.com, 2005-FEB, at: http://www.beliefnet.com/ Did anybody check out this footnote? Kane left it off. Intentionally? Would Holly Rossi be able to cite the exact issue of the NEJM?? But I thought the website was funny for other reasons: Copyright © 2002 to 2005 by Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance Latest update: 2005-FEB-28 Author: B.A. Robinson Where is this "Sue" that Kane blames for the NEJM misinformation? |
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Death By Spanking
Greegor wrote:
Where's the NEJM article then? I've not idea. I didn't cite it. How much courage would it take to cite the NEJM article? You'll have to ask the person that did cite it. It would be unusual to do so, other than to mention the source generally. Why don't you explore this with someone that might be able to answer your question, since I am unable to do so? Which I've said a number of times, and you ignore, which means you are harassing me. Why? Afraid to actually ask the people that I quoted? 0:- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Total ignorance: was Death By Spanking
A perfect example of the "Social Worker Mentality"
LaVonne feels duly authorized to impose her superior thought processes on others. |
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Total ignorance: was Death By Spanking
Greegor wrote:
A perfect example of the "Social Worker Mentality" LaVonne feels duly authorized to impose her superior thought processes on others. You feel compelled by her to allow her to impose, that is force, her views on you and make you follow them? Ah, if only.... R R R R R 0;- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Total ignorance: was Death By Spanking
Yep, a pontificating ponce.
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Total ignorance: was Death By Spanking
Greegor wrote: Yep, a pontificating ponce. My goodness. I'll have to alert LaVonne to this remarkable power she has acquired. She now can force, according to you, "her 'Social Worker Mentality' and feels duly authorized to impose her superior thought processes on others." What is it about her thought process, Greg, that would make you succeptible to them? And why do you think they are superior? Superior to who? Let me see. You can't filter her out of your newsreader? You can't simply not read her posts? You are compelled to allow her to force here thought processes on you? I find this remarkablely Greg-like considering how everyone else, even a six year old child, is seen by you as "making me do things." You are that weak willed? I must be terrible strong willed to resist her powerful arguments for creating a law against the use of CP on children. I managed it for I think nearly three years of reading her posts. I held my position that I did not support such a law, arguing that people had to come to a personal moral decision by awakening, personally, to the issue of child abuse and CP. I thought that I had a change of position on this issue by way of both her arguments, and the considerable body of both scientific research I reviewed, and the long history I looked at of folks like you that don't get it, didn't get it, and very likely aren't going to get it without some fines and jail time. Gosh, and all the time it was LaVonne's magical mind control power over me. Who'dathought, eh? 0:- |
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Are you capable of responding? Total ignorance: was DeathBy Spanking
Let's see if you are capable of discussing the post you cut, and wrote
what you did below in blue. Here is what you cut -- I said: A child jumjping away, startling, or making a normal human protective move has nothing to do with parents crossing the line. Parents do no inflict this response, this is a normal human reaction. Parents have the responsibility of creating the safest and best environment possible for their children. Spanking is a deliberate decision made on the part of the parents to subject their child to pain and humiliation at their hands, and acceptance of not only subjecting this on their child, but risking long-term negative outcomes. Why risk it? One doesn't place a child at risk for reflexive, normal human protective behaviors. One places a child at risk when one chooses to spank a child. Spanking is a deliberate and consciencious decision made by the parent/school/caregiver. No one deliberately inflicts on a child the behavior of "jumping away or startling or making a normal human protective move" Greegor wrote: A perfect example of the "Social Worker Mentality" LaVonne feels duly authorized to impose her superior thought processes on others. |
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