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"PF Riley" wrote
You "answered" by making up an irrelevant analogy, and when I pointed this out, you said (2/6/01): 1. The official vaccine recommendations and schedules come from paid industry lobbyists and contractors. 2. The data supporting those decisions is withheld from the public. 3. Those decisions are often demonstrably bad. IMO, this situation is unacceptable. It is recipe for bad medical decisions. That's why I suggest that patients/parents get their own info and make their decisions. Glad to see you are reading my messages. ... (This is where you claim that the company knew about the risk.) The company did know -- it even printed a caution on the physician's package insert. posed now by JG: "Why, then, would they (owners) intentionally do anything that would lessen potential profits, let alone leave them open to trouble (e.g., enormous judgments against them)?" If the company had it to do all over again, and knew what it the public knows now, it would not have pushed the rotavirus vaccine so aggressively. Businesses do often makes mistakes in their business decisions. I am sure the company thought that it was maximizing its profits when it pushed for the vaccine, when it made those payments to those on FDA and CDC committees, and when it got the vaccine put on the official schedule for all kids. We would have a better system if the drug companies had to fully disclose the test data, if the companies had to sell their drugs on the merits, and if we have independent people on those gubmnt committees. |
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message t... "Jeff Utz" wrote That's not saying much g; poor, stupid immigrants have access to all sorts of services--health, education--that many longtime residents are denied. Ask Roger what's happened in/to California! I disagree. While anyone can get treated at an emergency department, immigrants and other poor people get poor medical care. Outstanding treatment in an emergency department is poor primary care. So you think that they get great treatment when they are sick, so what is so poor about it? No. I said that "outstanding treatment in an emergency department is poor primary care." I did not say that I think they get outstanding treatment in the emergency department. An emergency department is a terrible place for primary care. Immunizations are missed. Chronic conditions are poorly treated. Developmental issues are not dealt with. And the continuity of care is nearly non-existant. Are they missing the lectures about sleeping positions, smoke detectors, and guns? Yes. And why do immigrants not deserve good health care and education? I think that you deserve a good education. Go get one! Thanks for the personal attack. But, I am going back to school to improve my already excellent education. Jeff |
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message t... "PF Riley" wrote I remember a Spanish-speaking family came in to the ER where I trained for an asthma exacerbation. They, as usual, had run out of the medications the son had been prescribed at his previous ER visit. ... we have Medicaid!" (In other words, "Screw you -- it's your money I'm wasting, not mine!") I don't like paying for Medicaid freeloaders either. I am not convinced that all people on Medicaid are freeloaders. Certainly some are. And the kids on Medicaid and many of the older Americans deserve a break. At least as much of a break as I got. I don't agree with the laws that say that illegal aliens can get free ER treatment, while I have to pay big bucks for medical services. You, too, can get free ER treatment. No, it is not fair, or cost-effective, or efficient use of resources, or good policy. But the upshot is that these poor people are getting excellent medical care compared to what they'd be getting if they were living back in Mexico and paying out of their own pockets. And these people are working their butts off for low wages and no insurance. I guess it works out fairly in the end. Except, even though their care is better than in Mexico, it still is poor care. Jeff |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 06:43:53 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
wrote: "PF Riley" wrote I remember a Spanish-speaking family came in to the ER where I trained for an asthma exacerbation. They, as usual, had run out of the medications the son had been prescribed at his previous ER visit. ... we have Medicaid!" (In other words, "Screw you -- it's your money I'm wasting, not mine!") I don't like paying for Medicaid freeloaders either. I don't agree with the laws that say that illegal aliens can get free ER treatment, while I have to pay big bucks for medical services. No, it is not fair, or cost-effective, or efficient use of resources, or good policy. But the upshot is that these poor people are getting excellent medical care compared to what they'd be getting if they were living back in Mexico and paying out of their own pockets. So are we to assume, now, that you're changing your opinion from "Immigrants get great medical care at the ER" to "Immigrants get better medical care at U.S. ER's than they would at Mexican ER's?" If so, then, what's your point? PF |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:22:02 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
wrote: We would have a better system if the drug companies had to fully disclose the test data, if the companies had to sell their drugs on the merits, and if we have independent people on those gubmnt committees. Aha, so you're calling for MORE government regulation to fix the "problem," then? Make MORE rules, right? Pass a regulatory law that says the drug companies must release all of its raw data from safety studies? JG, what do you think? Would the Rotashield fiasco have been better avoided by completely eliminating all government regulation and letting Wyeth rely on its own honesty and integrity snicker instead of answering to government committees because, after all, they would "do the right thing" whether there were rules or not if profits are on the line, correct? After all, no businessman would try to pull a fast one on his customers to make an extra buck, right? Or would it have been better, as Roger suggests, to have had more regulations so that they wouldn't have been able to slip that intussusception issue past us? JG and Roger, why don't the two of you work this out amongst yourselves and get back to us if/when you think you have a solution. PF |
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PF Riley wrote:
So are we to assume, now, that you're changing your opinion from "Immigrants get great medical care at the ER" to "Immigrants get better medical care at U.S. ER's than they would at Mexican ER's?" If so, then, what's your point? I don't know about *his* point, but my point was that immigrants get better access to medical care in the U.S. in 2003 than they did in 1903 and that difference can be a matter of life or death. In other words, all else being equal, immigrant children died in 1903 that wouldn't die in 2003 purely based on access to a doctor due to having Medicaid. I believe I mentioned that my great-grandfather was positive his children died because of racism - the doctor wouldn't come to his house at a time when doctors WENT to the homes of families with three sick children. I believe racism still exists, but at least now the doctor can feel confident that (s)he will get paid and so they don't have to actually be altruistic in addition to non-racist. By the way, I think it is a real struggle to imagine a time when doctors didn't serve Jewish homes. But I believe it is true. I believe hardships and deprivations exist that most affluent middle class people don't even imagine. It's just not a world into which we have any access to see. Wendy |
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Jeff Utz wrote:
The difference in speed kills. Drivers are much more likely to get in a wreck if the cars around them are going a different speed than they are. If everyone wear capable of safely driving 85 and drove 85, the roads would be safer than with some people driving 75, some 65 and some 45, as it is now. Correct, to a point. There are those idiots who would never stop weaving regardless of speed. It is not the different speeds that cause problems, but, the need of some people to go around the slower cars. |
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Your Help is Desperatly Needed to Stop Lead Poisoning in Children!
Hello MY Name is Shelly, I'm writing this message in the hope of getting signatures/names for my crusade against Lead Poisoning in Children. My 4 Children ( Brandon 5, Marissah 4, Thomas 22 mos., and Jacob 6 mos.) were tested positive for lead poisoning! upon testing of my appartment, we found that there were high levels of Lead!.... Each night as i layed my children down to sleep in their beds,i would watch them kneel at the side of their beds to say their prayers,I would kiss them goodnightand tuck them saftly into their beds so i thought. Little did i Know that their rooms were where i left them each night to sleep was loaded with lead! The one place i thought they were safe and sound, Poisoned them! My babies, My Sweet, innocent babies...I called everywhere i could think to solve this matter, i even called my local Health Department. They informed me that unless my childrens lead levels reach the dangerous level of 20 or above they could not help me! i was so upset, i felt that no one cared about the safty of my children but myself! SO I made a vow to my children that i would fight the lagal system to have the lead levels reduced.... Knowing that if i waited till their lead levels reached 20 they would already be suffering for the lead nad could experience learning disabilities, Brain Damage and even Death in some cases! I need to help my children and other Children! and your help can put us one step closer to doing this! below in an email address you can respond to, simply drop me a quick email and tell me to put your name on the list! Please also provide your email, the city and State you live in. by signing this petition we can get these lead levels lowered! PLEASE WE REALLY NEED YOUR HELP! Signed, Shelly In New York |
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