Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?

Yab wrote:

When the procedure is over, I get up and walk out
and never return. I'm sure crap like this was common in, say, the 1800s
but now it's 2003, for chrissakes; there's NO excuse for not being able
to anesthetize a damn tooth unless the dentist is incompetent.
I agree wholeheartedly!
Never again will I accept painful treatment.

--
madiba

Sorry, the Prof is correct!

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:10:07 +0200, (madiba) wrote:

V35B wrote:

Your logic is incorrect. I am a professor of pharmacology at a Pharmacy
School.


That's one of the reasons why it is dangerous for that purpose.

It is not dangerous, you cannot be rendered unoncious with it. How can it
be dangerous?
What a dumb statement from a so-called prof. of pharmacology!

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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OK, then you are out of the S&M club!

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:10:16 +0200, (madiba) wrote:

Yab wrote:

When the procedure is over, I get up and walk out
and never return. I'm sure crap like this was common in, say, the 1800s
but now it's 2003, for chrissakes; there's NO excuse for not being able
to anesthetize a damn tooth unless the dentist is incompetent.
I agree wholeheartedly!
Never again will I accept painful treatment.

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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only and does not necessarily
represent endorsement by or an official
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Advice on the treatment or care
of an individual patient should
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with a dentist who has examined
that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.

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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote:

Sorry, the Prof is correct!
He is not!
You just need to raise the % of N20 and you go KO..
If you look at the history of dentistry (which is linked to the history
of anaesthesia) the pioneer's patients used to breath NiOx straight out
of a bag and were completely unconcious.
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:10:07 +0200, (madiba) wrote:

V35B wrote:

Your logic is incorrect. I am a professor of pharmacology at a Pharmacy
School.


That's one of the reasons why it is dangerous for that purpose.

It is not dangerous, you cannot be rendered unoncious with it. How can it
be dangerous?
What a dumb statement from a so-called prof. of pharmacology!

--
madiba

Madiba,

Get an anesthesia book and read about MAC min alveolar concentration of
anesthetics. Then let me know what you think....



BTW We don't administer N2O with Glad Bags

We use an anesthesia machine......







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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote:

Sorry, the Prof is correct!
He is not!
You just need to raise the % of N20 and you go KO..
If you look at the history of dentistry (which is linked to the history
of anaesthesia) the pioneer's patients used to breath NiOx straight out
of a bag and were completely unconcious.
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:10:07 +0200, (madiba) wrote:

V35B wrote:

Your logic is incorrect. I am a professor of pharmacology at a
Pharmacy
School.


That's one of the reasons why it is dangerous for that purpose.

It is not dangerous, you cannot be rendered unoncious with it. How
can it
be dangerous?
What a dumb statement from a so-called prof. of pharmacology!

--
madiba

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. writes:

Sorry, the Prof is correct!

You can certainly be rendered unconscious with nitrous oxide. You just
can't be rendered _safely_ unconscious with it.

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General anesthesia does does not equal KO!

There are levels of analgesia where you are totally unconscious but
clearly that is not general anesthesia!

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 01:47:42 +0200, (madiba) wrote:

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote:

Sorry, the Prof is correct!
He is not!
You just need to raise the % of N20 and you go KO..
If you look at the history of dentistry (which is linked to the history
of anaesthesia) the pioneer's patients used to breath NiOx straight out
of a bag and were completely unconcious.
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:10:07 +0200, (madiba) wrote:

V35B wrote:

Your logic is incorrect. I am a professor of pharmacology at a Pharmacy
School.


That's one of the reasons why it is dangerous for that purpose.

It is not dangerous, you cannot be rendered unoncious with it. How can it
be dangerous?
What a dumb statement from a so-called prof. of pharmacology!

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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*********

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is provided for information purposes
only and does not necessarily
represent endorsement by or an official
position of the SciMedDentistry gang
or any other agency either actual
or fictioous.

Advice on the treatment or care
of an individual patient should
be obtained through consultation
with a dentist who has examined
that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.

STANDARD DISCLAIMER

That is not general anesthesia. One could not remove an appendix with
nitrous oxide!

It might be desirable if possible as N2O is far safer than drugs used
for GA.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:26:10 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. writes:

Sorry, the Prof is correct!

You can certainly be rendered unconscious with nitrous oxide. You just
can't be rendered _safely_ unconscious with it.

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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*********

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represent endorsement by or an official
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or any other agency either actual
or fictioous.

Advice on the treatment or care
of an individual patient should
be obtained through consultation
with a dentist who has examined
that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.

STANDARD DISCLAIMER

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote:
That is not general anesthesia. One could not remove an appendix with
nitrous oxide!

It might be desirable if possible as N2O is far safer than drugs used
for GA.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:26:10 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Belive it or not, as late as 1977 I was in the OR (on my anesthesia
rotation at my residency) on a case using ethyl ether for anesthesia.
As you probably remember it is relatively non-toxic, but slow induction
and lots of nausea. Oh, and don't light a match.
Anyway, enough gets into the adipose tissue that for 24 hrs. the
patient (on a large public ward) was blowing off so much the whole place
stank of ether. It was really a strange piece of apparatus, too--like a
large copper kettle, as I recall.

Steve (from the days of the giants)




Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. writes:


Sorry, the Prof is correct!

You can certainly be rendered unconscious with nitrous oxide. You just
can't be rendered _safely_ unconscious with it.

Steven Bornfeld writes:

Belive it or not, as late as 1977 I was in the OR (on my anesthesia
rotation at my residency) on a case using ethyl ether for anesthesia.

Really? I thought it had been more or less abandoned by the 1970s. Any
particular reason for using it in this case?

Anyway, enough gets into the adipose tissue that for 24 hrs. the
patient (on a large public ward) was blowing off so much the whole place
stank of ether.

I hope he wasn't a smoker!

I rather like the smell of ether. My mother hates it, as she was given
ether for some minor surgeries in her youth and she associates it with
severe nausea. I don't think I've ever been given it. I recall
smelling something odd through a mask when I had my tonsils out, but I
was very young, and I don't remember exactly what it smelled like. When
I had nitrous oxide for my wisdom teeth, it smelled strangely familiar,
but then again, so does ether.

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