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Bob Officer is nonsense - was pure blood
"Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in nd.com: Not that such a "sound foundation" is in any way discernible in your posts. [rest of the fallacies and paranoid speculation snipped] So are you just having a dig or what? Nope, just making an observation based on your posts, and on the quality of the resources you use in your attempt to back your claims. -- That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Christopher should have added, "except when the lack of evidence is evidence in itself". I don't think he'd be that irrational. Don't be absurd -- lack of evidence is often enough to make a case eg, if your very favourite net stalker doesn't reply to something you've written, you know he's got a bad hangover. -- A crank on magnetism has a crazy notion that he can cure the sick and crippled with his magnetic hands. His victims are the weak-minded, ignorant and superstitious, those foolish people who have been sick for years and have become tired of the regular physician and want health by the short-cut method...he has certainly profited by the ignorance of his victims.His increase in business shows what can be done in Davenport, even by a quack. The Davenport Leader on D.D. Palmer, the founder of Chiropractic Alternatively his therapy really does work and the allopaths are too dumbed-down to work it out. Don't you get tired of these allopaths who constantly call anybody "weak-mind, ignorant and superstitious" because they can't work out homeopathy? -- Carole www.conspiracee.com "There are known knowns - there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns - there are things we don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld |
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Bob Officer is nonsense - was pure blood
"Steelclaws" wrote in message .39... "carole" wrote in ond.com: I don't remember you recommending books - do you mind repeating the information? It should be in one of my recent posts, but here comes again: Stella Cottrell: Critical Thinking Skills Tracey Bowell and Gary Kemp: Critical Thinking A Concise Guide Diane F. Halpern: Thought and Knowledge: An Introduction to Critical Thinking William Hughes and Jonathan Lavery: Critical Thinking: An Introduction to the Basic Skills M. Neil Browne and Stuart M. Keeley: Asking the Right Questions: A Guide to Critical Thinking Thomas Gilovich: How We Know What Isn't So This one is all about evaluating claims in everyday life. Thanks I found it on another post. So suppose I get hold of one of these books, read it and then come back and thrash your arse using critical thinking -- would that be nice? For all I know I do use some of these techniques anyhow but don't know the terms. Editor's Note: Readers should be aware that "The Rockefeller Family" is owned and operated by the Rothschild Family And here comes anti-semitism to the mix... I wonder if the author set out deliberately to discredit his/her own fantasy. Where is the anti-seminism? In the rather obvious Rotschild Family comment. EVERY single anti- semitic Jewish conspiracy loon digs them up sooner or later, as what they imagine would be "evidence" that Jews are trying/controlling the world. Oh, are the Rothschild family jewish ...you learn something everyday. Actually the last line of that quote didn't need to be there - I could have trimmed it. It may have significance to many for whatever reason, but not necessary for the quote. I didn't know the Rockerfamily was owned by the Rothschild family, but so what? Who owns the morgan family, or the westinghouse, or any of the other robber baron families? -- Of course, the best (worst) part of it is that the alt-med people are convinced that it is all plausible because they are looking for evidence to bolster their belief rather than build a belief based on evidence. Which is what makes them 'alternative.' -Greg Hart That's all very easy for him to say. You yourself exhibit that tendency very clearly - in fact, you have admitted doing precisely that at least in one post of yours. Whatever. -- The most egregious by far is the term of 'healer' and in discussion with cancer patients, nothing jars quite so badly as to hear them repeat the word once per sentence when no apparent significant placebo is being derived and the only 'healing' being obtained is of an excess bulge in their wallet. -Nicholas Turnbull on "alternative" cancer healers Are you trying to say there are ripoff merchants? Are you trying to say they are only alterantive? Are you trying to say they are corrupt? Could apply equally well to allopathic as alternative. -- Carole www.conspiracee.com "Of course, no one in this modern day and age really believes in the conspiracy theory of history - except those who have taken the time to study the subject." -Gary Allen |
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Bob Officer is nonsense - was pure blood
"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:34:04 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 06:47:12 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire The Drug Story - by Hans Ruesch www.think-aboutit.com/health/TheDrugStory.htm cite Originally web posted at: http://www.eurosolve.com/charity/bava/story.htm DISCLAIMER: I make no claims for the accuracy of this information and express no personal opinion on the matter. The information was acquired off the web and from authors (owners of said pages) and other sources and described as "information" and I wanted to pass it along to anyone who might find it interesting or otherwise useful. /cite Interesting the original poster is no longer available so there is no way to test the veracity of the web site you are citing. So how do we know this "story" is true? What are the facts and what parts are fiction. Since the author produces nothing but his own say so. we must discount the entire sections of claims which do not have evidence to back the claims. Refute this - http://www.scribd.com/doc/21984950/T...i-a-Bealle-PDF Still not one bit of evidence (like a letter or note from Rockefeller) of anyone trying to exert control. I read this last time it was posted. IT isn't evidence. It is a story with a few facts here and there. much like the Video link you posted. The odd thing is you claimed to have studied logic, It doesn't show. You claim to be a mastermind, that doesn't show either. You have even claimed to have higher than normal intelligence, and that doesn't show. But bob, I am an INTJ - equivalent to Keirsey's mastermind, while you being an ESTJ are equivalent to Keirsey's supervisor. And guess what bob, ESTJ isn't listed as one of the rational types. What does show is your are closed minded, ignorant and proud of the your ignorance, personally biased for some reason against all forms of education and you don't seem to be able to think in a rational manner. No, bob I am proud of the fact I don't take myself as seriously as you seem to take yourself. It also shows you have a problem with preconceived notions and have an odd belief system. You also hate all men, for some reason. Most of the time you post as if you have been drinking or smoking pot. You have some sever short term memory problems and can not remember from day to day or week to week what has been posted or discussed. I don't hate men, I hate the behaviour. We live in a patriarchal society where men dominate in all forms of business, government and organisations of any significance and women are treated as chattels for men's convenience and pleasure. -- Carole www.conspiracee.com "Of course, no one in this modern day and age really believes in the conspiracy theory of history - except those who have taken the time to study the subject." -Gary Allen |
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Bob Officer is nonsense - was pure blood
"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 11:52:59 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:34:04 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, Refute this - http://www.scribd.com/doc/21984950/T...i-a-Bealle-PDF Still not one bit of evidence (like a letter or note from Rockefeller) of anyone trying to exert control. I read this last time it was posted. IT isn't evidence. It is a story with a few facts here and there. much like the Video link you posted. The odd thing is you claimed to have studied logic, It doesn't show. You claim to be a mastermind, that doesn't show either. You have even claimed to have higher than normal intelligence, and that doesn't show. What does show is your are closed minded, ignorant and proud of the your ignorance, personally biased for some reason against all forms of education and you don't seem to be able to think in a rational manner. It also shows you have a problem with preconceived notions and have an odd belief system. You also hate all men, for some reason. Most of the time you post as if you have been drinking or smoking pot. You have some sever short term memory problems and can not remember from day to day or week to week what has been posted or discussed. Do you really think this is the way to show yourself in a good light blob? People are reading what you write, and you are beginning to lose your grip on reality. Remember, those who have strong bodies (which you claim to have) often the disease manifests first in the brain. I have no health problems. No problems at all. I just had my annual physical, blood and cardiac tests. and No signs of any sort of disease anywhere, even my brain. I have to thank you for pushing me to find that copy of The Drug Story which is a much expanded version of the bit quoted by Morris Beale. I'm having a good read right at this very moment. Make sure as you read it you ask yourself what is the evidence being presented. Make sure you look for anything which is based on conjecture, assumptions or statements of Mere-Say. Look for Evidence. You find none. But bob, lack of evidence doesn't prove anything. Quite often the evidence is suppressed or hidden away. Don't you hear all those stories about how information is tracked down and confiscated, how inventors are threatened, about the need for "national security" on so many inventions. Lack of evidence is often evidence in itself - evidence that it has been removed. where is the evidence that UFOs don't exist when millions have seen them, they've been photographed, seen on radar and pilots. there is no concrete evidence they exist because it is confiscated like with so many other things the people have a right to know about. So in the final analysis, I'm sorry but conjecture just has to play a big part. -- Carole www.conspiracee.com "Of course, no one in this modern day and age really believes in the conspiracy theory of history - except those who have taken the time to study the subject." -Gary Allen |
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Bob Officer is nonsense - was pure blood
"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:45:10 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:34:04 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 06:47:12 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire The Drug Story - by Hans Ruesch www.think-aboutit.com/health/TheDrugStory.htm cite Originally web posted at: http://www.eurosolve.com/charity/bava/story.htm DISCLAIMER: I make no claims for the accuracy of this information and express no personal opinion on the matter. The information was acquired off the web and from authors (owners of said pages) and other sources and described as "information" and I wanted to pass it along to anyone who might find it interesting or otherwise useful. /cite Interesting the original poster is no longer available so there is no way to test the veracity of the web site you are citing. So how do we know this "story" is true? What are the facts and what parts are fiction. Since the author produces nothing but his own say so. we must discount the entire sections of claims which do not have evidence to back the claims. Refute this - http://www.scribd.com/doc/21984950/T...i-a-Bealle-PDF Still not one bit of evidence (like a letter or note from Rockefeller) of anyone trying to exert control. I read this last time it was posted. IT isn't evidence. It is a story with a few facts here and there. much like the Video link you posted. The odd thing is you claimed to have studied logic, It doesn't show. You claim to be a mastermind, that doesn't show either. You have even claimed to have higher than normal intelligence, and that doesn't show. But bob, I am an INTJ - equivalent to Keirsey's mastermind, while you being an ESTJ are equivalent to Keirsey's supervisor. Mere-say, and not evidence in the way you behave. And guess what bob, ESTJ isn't listed as one of the rational types. And who would be the ESTJ? Are you guessing? IT really doesn't matter because the premise behind the Personality Typing is false. Personality type is not fixed, therefore the test and any claims based on the results are nonsense at best. Methinks you protest too much. What does show is your are closed minded, ignorant and proud of the your ignorance, personally biased for some reason against all forms of education and you don't seem to be able to think in a rational manner. No, bob I am proud of the fact I don't take myself as seriously as you seem to take yourself. that is your ignorance speaking Carole. We can see the lie you just typed and is isn't funny. Lighten up blob ...life's too short. It also shows you have a problem with preconceived notions and have an odd belief system. You also hate all men, for some reason. Most of the time you post as if you have been drinking or smoking pot. You have some sever short term memory problems and can not remember from day to day or week to week what has been posted or discussed. I don't hate men, I hate the behaviour. We live in a patriarchal society where men dominate in all forms of business, government and organisations of any significance and women are treated as chattels for men's convenience and pleasure. Not supported by Evidence. No, none at all ...to those who wear blinkers. -- Carole www.conspiracee.com "The universities do not teach all things ... so a doctor must seek out old wives, gypsies, sorcerers, wandering tribes, old robbers, and such outlaws and take lessons from them. A doctor must be a traveller . . . Knowledge is experience." -- Paracelsus (1493-1541) |
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"carole" wrote in
ond.com: -- That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Christopher should have added, "except when the lack of evidence is evidence in itself". I don't think he'd be that irrational. Don't be absurd -- lack of evidence is often enough to make a case eg, if your very favourite net stalker doesn't reply to something you've written, you know he's got a bad hangover. How would you know that if someone is offline they have a hangover? You would just be jumping to false conclusions, as people can have several reasons for being offline. You're just showing you're not a very good at thinking again. -- A crank on magnetism has a crazy notion that he can cure the sick and crippled with his magnetic hands. His victims are the weak-minded, ignorant and superstitious, those foolish people who have been sick for years and have become tired of the regular physician and want health by the short-cut method...he has certainly profited by the ignorance of his victims.His increase in business shows what can be done in Davenport, even by a quack. The Davenport Leader on D.D. Palmer, the founder of Chiropractic Alternatively his therapy really does work and the allopaths are too dumbed-down to work it out. Chiropractic does have a limited effectiveness when it comes to lower back pain, that's been demonstrated. But it is ineffective when it comes to anything else - and that has been demonstrated as well. Don't you get tired of these allopaths who constantly call anybody "weak-mind, ignorant and superstitious" because they can't work out homeopathy? There's nothing to "work out about homeopathy" - apart from that it doesn't work, and that's already been done. -- Learning without thinking is useless. Thinking without learning is dangerous. -Kong Fuzi |
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"carole" wrote in
nd.com: I don't remember you recommending books - do you mind repeating the information? It should be in one of my recent posts, but here comes again: Stella Cottrell: Critical Thinking Skills Tracey Bowell and Gary Kemp: Critical Thinking A Concise Guide Diane F. Halpern: Thought and Knowledge: An Introduction to Critical Thinking William Hughes and Jonathan Lavery: Critical Thinking: An Introduction to the Basic Skills M. Neil Browne and Stuart M. Keeley: Asking the Right Questions: A Guide to Critical Thinking Thomas Gilovich: How We Know What Isn't So This one is all about evaluating claims in everyday life. Thanks I found it on another post. You're welcome. So suppose I get hold of one of these books, read it and then come back and thrash your arse using critical thinking -- would that be nice? That is very unlikely to happen - the least of the reasons for that being that in addition to developing critical thinking, you'd also need to develop logical thinking and to increase your knowledge base significantly. This is not a dig, it's simply an evaluation of what you would need to "kick my arse." For all I know I do use some of these techniques anyhow but don't know the terms. I do recognize the application of critical thinking when I see it, and you don't appear to use it. Editor's Note: Readers should be aware that "The Rockefeller Family" is owned and operated by the Rothschild Family And here comes anti-semitism to the mix... I wonder if the author set out deliberately to discredit his/her own fantasy. Where is the anti-seminism? In the rather obvious Rotschild Family comment. EVERY single anti- semitic Jewish conspiracy loon digs them up sooner or later, as what they imagine would be "evidence" that Jews are trying/controlling the world. Oh, are the Rothschild family jewish ...you learn something everyday. Yes, they are. But they have no connection to the Rockefeller family. Actually the last line of that quote didn't need to be there - I could have trimmed it. It may have significance to many for whatever reason, but not necessary for the quote. I didn't know the Rockerfamily was owned by the Rothschild family, but so what? Who owns the morgan family, or the westinghouse, or any of the other robber baron families? -- The most egregious by far is the term of 'healer' and in discussion with cancer patients, nothing jars quite so badly as to hear them repeat the word once per sentence when no apparent significant placebo is being derived and the only 'healing' being obtained is of an excess bulge in their wallet. -Nicholas Turnbull on "alternative" cancer healers Are you trying to say there are ripoff merchants? Are you trying to say they are only alterantive? Are you trying to say they are corrupt? Could apply equally well to allopathic as alternative. The difference is in the demonstrable effectiveness of the remedy. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the moment a remedy can be shown to work, it becomes medicine. -- The enemy of knowledge and science is irrationalism, not religion. -Stephen Jay Gould |
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Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in
: Chiropractic does have a limited effectiveness when it comes to lower back pain, that's been demonstrated. But it is ineffective when it comes to anything else - and that has been demonstrated as well. And yet many people report no relief or even more pain from back manipulation. True that, but some research does indicate it has limited effectiveness with lower back pain. I think it would depend on what kind of condition is causing the pain. I would not expect it to have any effect on sciatica. Don't you get tired of these allopaths who constantly call anybody "weak-mind, ignorant and superstitious" because they can't work out homeopathy? There's nothing to "work out about homeopathy" - apart from that it doesn't work, and that's already been done. enough times that it is a dead end. When the horse is found to be dead, it doesn't matter how much you whip it you can't get it to cross the finish line. Well, they are desperate for the horse to be alive - and arent't competent enough to realize there are no life signs. It's not just pining for the fjords. ;-) -- Their sugar pills contain nothing and they won't poison your body. The greater danger is that they poison your mind. -David Colquhoun on homeopathy |
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"Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in ond.com: -- That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Christopher should have added, "except when the lack of evidence is evidence in itself". I don't think he'd be that irrational. Don't be absurd -- lack of evidence is often enough to make a case eg, if your very favourite net stalker doesn't reply to something you've written, you know he's got a bad hangover. How would you know that if someone is offline they have a hangover? You would just be jumping to false conclusions, as people can have several reasons for being offline. You're just showing you're not a very good at thinking again. -- A crank on magnetism has a crazy notion that he can cure the sick and crippled with his magnetic hands. His victims are the weak-minded, ignorant and superstitious, those foolish people who have been sick for years and have become tired of the regular physician and want health by the short-cut method...he has certainly profited by the ignorance of his victims.His increase in business shows what can be done in Davenport, even by a quack. The Davenport Leader on D.D. Palmer, the founder of Chiropractic Alternatively his therapy really does work and the allopaths are too dumbed-down to work it out. Chiropractic does have a limited effectiveness when it comes to lower back pain, that's been demonstrated. But it is ineffective when it comes to anything else - and that has been demonstrated as well. I've already told you steelclaws, that chiropractic stopped my tonsilitis and having to have them removed. Don't you get tired of these allopaths who constantly call anybody "weak-mind, ignorant and superstitious" because they can't work out homeopathy? There's nothing to "work out about homeopathy" - apart from that it doesn't work, and that's already been done. You and bob continually reinforce your own ignorance and closed minds coming up with that sad old line. -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:12:16 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:45:10 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:34:04 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 06:47:12 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire The Drug Story - by Hans Ruesch www.think-aboutit.com/health/TheDrugStory.htm cite Originally web posted at: http://www.eurosolve.com/charity/bava/story.htm DISCLAIMER: I make no claims for the accuracy of this information and express no personal opinion on the matter. The information was acquired off the web and from authors (owners of said pages) and other sources and described as "information" and I wanted to pass it along to anyone who might find it interesting or otherwise useful. /cite Interesting the original poster is no longer available so there is no way to test the veracity of the web site you are citing. So how do we know this "story" is true? What are the facts and what parts are fiction. Since the author produces nothing but his own say so. we must discount the entire sections of claims which do not have evidence to back the claims. Refute this - http://www.scribd.com/doc/21984950/T...i-a-Bealle-PDF Still not one bit of evidence (like a letter or note from Rockefeller) of anyone trying to exert control. I read this last time it was posted. IT isn't evidence. It is a story with a few facts here and there. much like the Video link you posted. The odd thing is you claimed to have studied logic, It doesn't show. You claim to be a mastermind, that doesn't show either. You have even claimed to have higher than normal intelligence, and that doesn't show. But bob, I am an INTJ - equivalent to Keirsey's mastermind, while you being an ESTJ are equivalent to Keirsey's supervisor. Mere-say, and not evidence in the way you behave. And guess what bob, ESTJ isn't listed as one of the rational types. And who would be the ESTJ? Are you guessing? IT really doesn't matter because the premise behind the Personality Typing is false. Personality type is not fixed, therefore the test and any claims based on the results are nonsense at best. Methinks you protest too much. So have you ever been retested, Carole. Afraid to see that personality typing premise is based on false hope? I can identify with the characteristics of the INTJ personality type. It has been quite empowering for me learn my type and why I am different from some others who like to bully me into thinking their way. What does show is your are closed minded, ignorant and proud of the your ignorance, personally biased for some reason against all forms of education and you don't seem to be able to think in a rational manner. No, bob I am proud of the fact I don't take myself as seriously as you seem to take yourself. that is your ignorance speaking Carole. We can see the lie you just typed and is isn't funny. Lighten up blob ...life's too short. It is and no matter how short it is you seem to hell bent on "being made an idiot out of .." It also shows you have a problem with preconceived notions and have an odd belief system. You also hate all men, for some reason. Most of the time you post as if you have been drinking or smoking pot. You have some sever short term memory problems and can not remember from day to day or week to week what has been posted or discussed. I don't hate men, I hate the behaviour. We live in a patriarchal society where men dominate in all forms of business, government and organisations of any significance and women are treated as chattels for men's convenience and pleasure. Not supported by Evidence. No, none at all ...to those who wear blinkers. You say "men", is that all inclusive? You blindly skip over the fact very few men are hell bent on being dominate. This is important you just ignore, An equal number of women are equally dominate given an equal opportunity. Its not against men per se but the patriarchal culture -- I realise most men aren't intent on dominating, and that many women would if they could. The culture of patriarchy is the issue - and its an insidious culture that has ruled all of western society until more recently. Best explained in the article - Capitalist Patriarchy and The Negation of Matriarchy http://www.newparadigmjournal.com/Oc...patriarchy.htm -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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