Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.

I did to, but never again.

He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

From what I have seen...he is doing his own thing, and not necessarily what
the skirt with the pretty face that holds the govenor's office wants.


In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm

I used their "Report a DeadBeat form" to report all the scumbags behind this
Extortion racket.


"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
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Cox strategy targets child support deadbeats

October 17, 2003





BY JACK KRESNAK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER




Attorney General Mike Cox announced a two-pronged strategy Thursday to
help
get child support for Michigan's 650,000 children who receive no financial
help from absent parents.

In the state's six largest counties, about 40,000 parents each owe more
than
$40,000 in overdue child support. But only a few hundred of them are
facing
criminal charges.

That will change, Cox said.

"This isn't some social faux pas or breach of etiquette," Cox said. "This
is
a crime."

Under the PayKids initiative, the attorney general will use 39 billboards,
a
Web site, www.paykids.com, and a toll-free phone number to help parents
collect child support while educating the public at the same time. The
phone
number is 866-729-5437.

Cox has also created a child-support division with a team of special
assistant attorneys general to help prosecute thousands of criminal cases
in
counties other than Wayne in which parents owe at least $40,000 in
court-ordered child support.

In Wayne County, Cox's office will prosecute cases in which more than
$100,000 is owed, while County Prosecutor Mike Duggan's office will pursue
child-support violators who owe more than $5,000 in child support as long
as
the children's cases are still active through the county's Friend of the
Court.

In Michigan, Cox said, more than $7 billion is owed by child-support
violators, $3 billion of that to Michigan taxpayers who have supported the
children through welfare programs.

Since April, Cox said, his division has arrested 54 people, issued 95
arrest
warrants and collected more than $725,000 for Michigan children. Duggan
said
his office has prosecuted 820 violators this year and collected $908,000
for
children.

The PayKids initiative is being funded by corporate sponsors including
General Motors Corp., the bridge-and-trucking company Centra, the Michigan
Hospital Association and the Michigan Medical Society. The nonprofit
initiative is expected to raise more than $500,000 in its first year.

Geraldine Jensen, president of the Association for Children for
Enforcement
of Support (ACES), a national organization based in Ann Arbor, praised Cox
for his efforts.

Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that
causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent
has."

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm


My brother had something similar happen to him - FIVE TIMES!! He had a good
job in 2001, was paying his CS (there are several instances of overpayment,
but that's another story..), had a nice apartment, saw his kids regularly,
no problems.

Then the stock market falls on it's face and in no time at all 8+ million
people where out of work. He went back to the courts on five different
occasions to have the CS lowered. The god damned judge ordered an INCREASE
from $600 a month to over $1000 a month!!

He had no job, no job prospects (save of flipping burgers) on the horizon
and this jack-ass tells him "It's incentive." What the hell is that kind of
crap?!?! Incentive my ass! It's robbery, plan and simple.

So, now the state wants to put him behind bars for "failure to pay". What a
crock of **** that idea is. Lock up someone that hasn't committed any
crime, to force them to give up money that they don't have. Now that makes
a whole hell of a lot of sense - NOT!

And they wonder why the suicide rate for divorced men is 10 times higher
than the national average...

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

I knew of a man who lost his truck driving job and couldn't pay the "child
support" money to the woman. While in the process of finding another
trucking job, she had his driver's license pulled........ Go figure.


That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm

"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
...
Usually they take a lower paying job in hopes of getting their support
lowered then when it back fires on them they cry and the judges dont give
a
flying rats ass about their self created problems.


No asshole, they loose their jobs through no fault of their own. Get sick,
have accidents, get their cars stolen. You know, things that the rest of us
would have happen in the normal course of life.

But these nut jobs think that an NCP will never loose their job, car,
health, home. This is NEVER taken into account when CS is figured. For
that matter CS is usually set so obscenely high, that if an NCP should ever
find themselves out of work for even a short amount of time, that the
arrears that is created because of this can almost never be repaid. And
that's betting that a judge will even listen to the case and allow the CS to
be lowered.

I ask you - does a married family have to set aside 20% of the family income
(pre-tax, too!) for care of their children?

The answer is NO, they do not.

Do non-married couples have to do this?

Again, NO, they do not.

Is the CP held accountable for where the CS is spent?

Hell NO. She can spend it on anything she wants.

So you see, "Fighting for kids", you're arguments don't hold water.

In article , Dusty says...


..................................................

My brother had something similar happen to him - FIVE TIMES!! He had a good
job in 2001, was paying his CS (there are several instances of overpayment,
but that's another story..), had a nice apartment, saw his kids regularly,
no problems.

Then the stock market falls on it's face and in no time at all 8+ million
people where out of work. He went back to the courts on five different
occasions to have the CS lowered. The god damned judge ordered an INCREASE
from $600 a month to over $1000 a month!!

He had no job, no job prospects (save of flipping burgers) on the horizon
and this jack-ass tells him "It's incentive." What the hell is that kind of
crap?!?! Incentive my ass! It's robbery, plan and simple.

So, now the state wants to put him behind bars for "failure to pay". What a
crock of **** that idea is. Lock up someone that hasn't committed any
crime, to force them to give up money that they don't have. Now that makes
a whole hell of a lot of sense - NOT!
==
A "legal" prerequisite to incarceration is the "ability to pay."
The judge is required to make a finding that the NCP has the means to pay
but is refusing to. It is frequently ignored by the court, but it's his best
shot at a defense.
==
==

And they wonder why the suicide rate for divorced men is 10 times higher
than the national average...

"Matt D" wrote in message
om...
Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that
causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a
parent
has."


What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as
opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first
place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that.

And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver...
"In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily
abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever
demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the
question directly have concluded otherwise."

"Dusty" wrote in message ...

"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
...
Usually they take a lower paying job in hopes of getting their support
lowered then when it back fires on them they cry and the judges dont
give
a
flying rats ass about their self created problems.


No asshole, they loose their jobs through no fault of their own. Get
sick,
have accidents, get their cars stolen. You know, things that the rest of
us
would have happen in the normal course of life

I love how everyone here resorts to name calling...
Yes they do , but those laws are in place for reason usually because of some
group that has to ruin for the rest thats how life goes and why rules and
laws are in place.



But these nut jobs think that an NCP will never loose their job, car,
health, home. This is NEVER taken into account when CS is figured. For
that matter CS is usually set so obscenely high, that if an NCP should
ever
find themselves out of work for even a short amount of time, that the
arrears that is created because of this can almost never be repaid. And
that's betting that a judge will even listen to the case and allow the CS
to
be lowered.

Of course it isnt and why should it be? CP's go through the same crap and
dont get to set aside much of anything either. The CP doesnt get a break at
all, they ALWAYS are taking care of the kids and anything that you NCP's
cant own up to.

I ask you - does a married family have to set aside 20% of the family
income
(pre-tax, too!) for care of their children?

The answer is NO, they do not.

What planet do you live on? Of course they do after taxes are taken out the
"family" usually spends about 18-25% of their income on their children. Get
a life fool.


Do non-married couples have to do this?

Again, NO, they do not.

Earth to space monkey!!!! Come in space monkey anyone home???


Is the CP held accountable for where the CS is spent?

No, are you held accountable for all your money and were it is spent? NOPE.


Hell NO. She can spend it on anything she wants.

She can, but many dont. Many spend it on their children like they are
supposed to.

So you see, "Fighting for kids", you're arguments don't hold water.

I would suggest otherwise, as would a large majority of CP's

So, as paul harvey says.. here's the rest of the story...

Brother probably was behind in the first place, brother probably jumped from
job to job and the judge said enough is enough and told this deadbeat to get
off his ass and find a job.

"Dusty" wrote in message ...

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm


My brother had something similar happen to him - FIVE TIMES!! He had a
good
job in 2001, was paying his CS (there are several instances of
overpayment,
but that's another story..), had a nice apartment, saw his kids regularly,
no problems.

Then the stock market falls on it's face and in no time at all 8+ million
people where out of work. He went back to the courts on five different
occasions to have the CS lowered. The god damned judge ordered an
INCREASE
from $600 a month to over $1000 a month!!

He had no job, no job prospects (save of flipping burgers) on the horizon
and this jack-ass tells him "It's incentive." What the hell is that kind
of
crap?!?! Incentive my ass! It's robbery, plan and simple.

So, now the state wants to put him behind bars for "failure to pay". What
a
crock of **** that idea is. Lock up someone that hasn't committed any
crime, to force them to give up money that they don't have. Now that
makes
a whole hell of a lot of sense - NOT!

And they wonder why the suicide rate for divorced men is 10 times higher
than the national average...

So go flip burgers!!!

"Chris" wrote in message
news:svkrb.10191$0K6.10076@fed1read06...

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

I knew of a man who lost his truck driving job and couldn't pay the "child
support" money to the woman. While in the process of finding another
trucking job, she had his driver's license pulled........ Go figure.


That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm