Need some info on child support in texas

My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for
the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He
started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes
he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the
first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by
check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just
been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the
courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the
payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went
through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required
to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the
amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I
feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me
any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to
get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and
if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance

wrote in message
oups.com...
My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for
the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He
started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes
he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the
first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by
check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just
been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the
courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the
payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went
through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required
to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the
amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I
feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me
any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to
get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and
if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance

I really hope you are a troll just trying to stir up trouble!! Why on God's
green earth would you want to LIE and say that he had not been paying if,
indeed, he has had the integrity to pay support for all these years? Why
would you want your wife to be a LIAR? Why would you want your stepson to
see his mother and stepfather LYING to the courts? Is that the sort of
disrespect you want the child to learn? Will it be ok when he starts lying
to you just to get something he is not entitled to? Why can't you just tell
the truth?

"teachrmama" wrote

wrote
My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for
the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He
started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes
he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the
first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by
check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just
been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the
courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the
payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went
through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required
to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the
amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I
feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me
any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to
get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and
if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance

I really hope you are a troll just trying to stir up trouble!! Why on
God's green earth would you want to LIE and say that he had not been
paying if, indeed, he has had the integrity to pay support for all these
years? Why would you want your wife to be a LIAR? Why would you want
your stepson to see his mother and stepfather LYING to the courts? Is
that the sort of disrespect you want the child to learn? Will it be ok
when he starts lying to you just to get something he is not entitled to?
Why can't you just tell the truth?
==
What she said--And why are you sticking your nose in her business anyway?
You sound like a real peach.
==

Gini wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote

wrote
My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for
the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He
started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes
he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the
first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by
check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just
been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the
courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the
payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went
through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required
to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the
amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I
feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me
any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to
get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and
if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance

I really hope you are a troll just trying to stir up trouble!! Why on
God's green earth would you want to LIE and say that he had not been
paying if, indeed, he has had the integrity to pay support for all these
years? Why would you want your wife to be a LIAR? Why would you want
your stepson to see his mother and stepfather LYING to the courts? Is
that the sort of disrespect you want the child to learn? Will it be ok
when he starts lying to you just to get something he is not entitled to?
Why can't you just tell the truth?
==
What she said--And why are you sticking your nose in her business anyway?
You sound like a real peach.
==
You two missed the whole point entirely....I'm not asking anyone to lie
to the courts. From what I understand, according to people who have
gone through this situation, is that in the state of texas, mutual
agreements for child support dont mean anything to the court. A
coworker paid child support to his exwife for 10 years through a
similar mutual agreement. When she went to court to get it official,
he was told the payments he had made for 10 years were not considered
child support to the state of texas, but instead were called "gifts".
he had to pay 10 years of back child support even though he had proof
he paid his ex every month. Thats the thing i'm trying to find out.
Is this how it really works. As to why i'm gettting involved.....I'm
married to this woman and her son. I dont have a choice when it comes
to providing for him. If the boys father doesnt pay the full amount, I
have to make up for that. I want to go through the courts so that we
can have some recourse for this. Just to let you know what a jerk this
guy is. He took his son for 2 weeks a couple of months back. He
stiffed my wife and only paid her half the amount they agreed upon
since she only had him for half of a month. I dont know where you
people got that I was lying to anyone. Please re-read my original
post. As to why i'm getting involved in this.....We have 2 kids
together. Our finances are together. When the ex stiffs us on child
support, thats extra money taken away from everyone in our family. He
has an obligation to his child. Hes getting off easy considering what
his income is. As stated earlier, at best, hes only paying 10-15% of
his income when the state usually grants 20-25% of a persons income to
child support

wrote in message
oups.com...
My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for
the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He
started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes
he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the
first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by
check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just
been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the
courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the
payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went
through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required
to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the
amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I
feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me
any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to
get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and
if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance

CS in Texas is calculated differently than in other states. There are
several variables that will drive how a court rules. They a

1. The state presumption for one child is 20% of a parent's net resources
up to $6,000 per month. Most states use gross income, not a net figure.
2. Your wife can also be ordered to pay CS to offset the basic presumption
amount.
3. Paternity may become an issue if your case goes to court and it has not
been formally acknowledged.
4. The maximum Texas retroactive CS order is presumed to be 4 years from
the birth of the child. Since the child is 6 the court will want to know
why she waited so long to get a formal CS order. If your wife is honest she
will ask the court to apply previous voluntary payments as applying against
any court ordered retroactive obligation.
5. Texas parents can enter into a private CS agreement and the court will
approve that agreement if the court believes the private agreement is in the
best interest of the child.
6. CS can be based on the child's needs which might be reduced by your
income contribution.

wrote:
: My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for
: the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He
: started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes
: he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the
: first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by
: check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just
: been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the
: courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the
: payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went
: through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required
: to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the
: amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I
: feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me
: any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to
: get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and
: if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance

Ahh.. you want to try and screw the guy...

Fact is that if there is no support agreement, it's unlikely he'll
be held reaponsible for back support.

You should be ashamed for thinking the way you are.

b.

teachrmama wrote:


: My question stands: Why can't you just tell the truth? "Yes, Your Honor,
: he DID pay the amount WE AGREED ON for all of these years. No, Your Honor,
: we DO NOT WANT him to have to pay it again. That would not be fair to him.
: I (your wife speaking) would like to sign a satisfaction of judgement for
: those years because I DO NOT WANT TO CHEAT HIM BY USING THE SYSTEM. That is
: what we agreed on, and I'm sticking to our agreement." How hard is that?

: As for him having the child for half the month and only paying Child Support
: for the other half of the month, what is wrong with that? Doesn't it make
: sense to you? If not, why not?

: If the court feels that he should be paying more child support, they will
: surely raise the amount. Just how much money does this guy make? Where do
: you get the idea that he should pay 1/4 of his income for child support?
: Who gets the tax exemption for the child at tax time? And, while we are on
: financial things, does your wife work to pay her half of the child's
: expenses?

: Just because you may discover there is a legal loophole that will permit
: child support to be collected twice, do you really feel it would be the
: right thing to do? Do you want your children to treat their friends the way
: you are planning to treat this man? Would you want your brother treated
: that way? Your son? The fact that you think this man is scum does not mean
: it is ok to cheat him--and you know you would be cheating him if, indeed,
: you collected child support twice. Unfortunately, this idea that you have
: to screw the man just because it's legal does not reflect kindly on your
: character! Think about it!
:

Very well-stated, teachermama!

These people seem a little too dependent on "child support" for an
income. When I married a lady with two children from separate
fathers (another story) I assumed the role of being their father
when their own fathers didn't take the time to visit them nor
support them. We both worked for a living and they were part of
the family to support. This guy's motive to attempt to call previous
Child Support payments a "gift" then ask for payment *again*
is extremely dishonest.

Time has a way of "taking care of" dishonest people like this in
most cases. May he get his just reward.

b.

teachrmama wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Gini wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote

wrote
My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for
the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He
started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month.
Sometimes
he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the
first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by
check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have
just
been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the
courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the
payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went
through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required
to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the
amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I
feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give
me
any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to
get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and
if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance

I really hope you are a troll just trying to stir up trouble!! Why on
God's green earth would you want to LIE and say that he had not been
paying if, indeed, he has had the integrity to pay support for all
these
years? Why would you want your wife to be a LIAR? Why would you want
your stepson to see his mother and stepfather LYING to the courts? Is
that the sort of disrespect you want the child to learn? Will it be ok
when he starts lying to you just to get something he is not entitled
to?
Why can't you just tell the truth?
==
What she said--And why are you sticking your nose in her business anyway?
You sound like a real peach.
==
You two missed the whole point entirely....I'm not asking anyone to lie
to the courts. From what I understand, according to people who have
gone through this situation, is that in the state of texas, mutual
agreements for child support dont mean anything to the court. A
coworker paid child support to his exwife for 10 years through a
similar mutual agreement. When she went to court to get it official,
he was told the payments he had made for 10 years were not considered
child support to the state of texas, but instead were called "gifts".
he had to pay 10 years of back child support even though he had proof
he paid his ex every month. Thats the thing i'm trying to find out.
Is this how it really works. As to why i'm gettting involved.....I'm
married to this woman and her son. I dont have a choice when it comes
to providing for him. If the boys father doesnt pay the full amount, I
have to make up for that. I want to go through the courts so that we
can have some recourse for this. Just to let you know what a jerk this
guy is. He took his son for 2 weeks a couple of months back. He
stiffed my wife and only paid her half the amount they agreed upon
since she only had him for half of a month. I dont know where you
people got that I was lying to anyone. Please re-read my original
post. As to why i'm getting involved in this.....We have 2 kids
together. Our finances are together. When the ex stiffs us on child
support, thats extra money taken away from everyone in our family. He
has an obligation to his child. Hes getting off easy considering what
his income is. As stated earlier, at best, hes only paying 10-15% of
his income when the state usually grants 20-25% of a persons income to
child support

My question stands: Why can't you just tell the truth? "Yes, Your Honor,
he DID pay the amount WE AGREED ON for all of these years. No, Your Honor,
we DO NOT WANT him to have to pay it again. That would not be fair to him.
I (your wife speaking) would like to sign a satisfaction of judgement for
those years because I DO NOT WANT TO CHEAT HIM BY USING THE SYSTEM. That is
what we agreed on, and I'm sticking to our agreement." How hard is that?

As for him having the child for half the month and only paying Child Support
for the other half of the month, what is wrong with that? Doesn't it make
sense to you? If not, why not?

If the court feels that he should be paying more child support, they will
surely raise the amount. Just how much money does this guy make? Where do
you get the idea that he should pay 1/4 of his income for child support?
Who gets the tax exemption for the child at tax time? And, while we are on
financial things, does your wife work to pay her half of the child's
expenses?

Just because you may discover there is a legal loophole that will permit
child support to be collected twice, do you really feel it would be the
right thing to do? Do you want your children to treat their friends the way
you are planning to treat this man? Would you want your brother treated
that way? Your son? The fact that you think this man is scum does not mean
it is ok to cheat him--and you know you would be cheating him if, indeed,
you collected child support twice. Unfortunately, this idea that you have
to screw the man just because it's legal does not reflect kindly on your
character! Think about it!


I'm sorry teachrmama but where did you get that i'm just trying to
screw this guy out of money? Those arent my intentions. I stated that
this is what I had heard happened to some people i knew and i wanted to
know if this was the case or not. So get off your high horse and back
off if you have nothing to contribute to this post. It was brought to
my attention that if we did go to court he would have no choice but to
pay from day 1 of the childs life. The only reason I want to go
through the courts is to have recourse when he shorts my wife on the
child support. I'm not looking to bankrupt the man. I just want him
to live up to his legal obligations and not shortchange us anytime he
finds an excuse.

"teachrmama" wrote
.............

Just because you may discover there is a legal loophole that will permit
child support to be collected twice, do you really feel it would be the
right thing to do? Do you want your children to treat their friends the
way you are planning to treat this man? Would you want your brother
treated that way? Your son?
==
;-) How about him, when she dumps him?
==

wrote
.............

I'm sorry teachrmama but where did you get that i'm just trying to
screw this guy out of money?
==
How about "Is it true all the child support he paid was a "gift?" Or, when
the child went with him, he reduced
the amount of support he paid? Perhaps you're hoping for a windfall to bail
you out of your poor financial
planning? How about this--If you can't manage your finances, let him take
custody.
==
Those arent my intentions.
==
Oh puleez! Your entire post is about how you can get more money out of him!
How about answering the question--
Is the mother paying *her* obligation or is it just him you want to foot the
entire bill?
(More Below)
==
I stated that
this is what I had heard happened to some people i knew and i wanted to
know if this was the case or not. So get off your high horse and back
off if you have nothing to contribute to this post. It was brought to
my attention that if we did go to court he would have no choice but to
pay from day 1 of the childs life. The only reason I want to go
through the courts is to have recourse when he shorts my wife on the
child support. I'm not looking to bankrupt the man. I just want him
to live up to his legal obligations and not shortchange us anytime he
finds an excuse.
==
Shortchange "us?" The child support isn't for "us," it's for the child, and
ONLY the child. If you
can't pay your bills how about living within your means or getting another
job--That man doesn't
owe *you* anything. I hope the judge sees through this greed and slams her
good.
==
==