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On Mar 13, 12:37�pm, "Paula" wrote:
On Mar 13, 10:31 am, "Relayer" wrote: On Mar 13, 10:24?am, wrote: On Mar 13, 10:56 am, "Paula" wrote: Did either of you actually read the thread???? Me? Of course I read the thread. It was originated by a woman asking if she should suggest a REDUCTION to CS, and the vast majority of the opinions were telling her to leave the situation as it was. Sheesh, you two won't be happy until you can run around sticking your dick in any willing participant with no responsibility for the consequences. And before you write it: your CHOICE comes with the act, and if you can't trust her CHOICE after the act, that should factor into your CHOICE before you take your dick out of your pants. The discussion in question is/was NOT about a man trying to shirk reponsibility for kid(s) he helped create. It's about a CP being attacked by other CPs for considering doing the right thing. If the LAW says you can take something, then you're supposed to take it. A prevalent attitude made revoltingly clear in that discussion. Actually, the right thhing to do is pay the $900 and quit buying food and clothes and other stuff...then these friggin arguements wouldn't happen. He would be better off finacially anyway. This is coming down to the woman claims her neighbor telling her something (his wifes income in also included in CS payment) and her believing it when it is completely false. And a bunch from the c*** brigade coming out and screaming for her to raise the amount beyond his income and try to take the new wifes income. Just to stay in tune with Paula's mood, if that woman didn't spread her legs, she also wouldnt be in this mess. Hmm, my mood has f'-all to do with this. Evidently you didn't read the thread because the vast majority of the responses were to "leave well enough alone", that if she didn't need the money that the court would order but that she agreed to do without then to continue to do so. *The OP also stated that her "husband's lawyer" had told them the same information regarding household income. You need to get your facts straight, Relayer, because you've also misinformed people with respect to Illinois law on these matters, as well. *You've stated that CP's income is never considered ... which is not true. *I live in Illinois; I am dealing with a petition for CS right now; and I had to disclose both my 2006 income tax filing and pay stubs. *Maybe it's a difference in jurisdiction, maybe a significant difference in CP income (as I do have one, and I do actually use the money that I make to support my child), maybe something else entirely ... dunno, but your reading of Illinois law is opposite that which my attorney has described to me. Just because the CP in your case is a money-grubber does not make us all money-grubbers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - NO where in 750 ILCS 5/505 does it ever take the NCP's income into account in firguring CS. I've been paying CS for 17 years and navigating Illinois family courts for as long and believe me if my ex could of try to attach my present wifes income, she would have. As far as taking the CP's income into account, it is ONLY taken into account in regards from diviating from the guidelines. Then the financial resources and needs of the custodial parent are taken into account. Example, if you have two kids, the guidline is 28% of NET. As CP, if YOU can't get by on that (for whatever reason), they will look at your income (maybe you are diababled, stay at home, whatever) and adjust UP from there. NEVER down,as you imply. I have 3 kids by my first and two by my second. My wife second made around $60,000 a year. I made around $180,000. My first wife (and her husband) did not work. I paid around 42% of MY net to my first wife for my kids. The guideline is 32%. So, by you admitting your income is taken into account simply broadcasts the fact that you are trying to push upward from the guideline, so ****ing come off it Paula. You are just another greeedy CP. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...000050k505.htm |
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On Mar 13, 12:56 pm, "Relayer" wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:37?pm, "Paula" wrote: On Mar 13, 10:31 am, "Relayer" wrote: On Mar 13, 10:24?am, wrote: On Mar 13, 10:56 am, "Paula" wrote: Did either of you actually read the thread???? Me? Of course I read the thread. It was originated by a woman asking if she should suggest a REDUCTION to CS, and the vast majority of the opinions were telling her to leave the situation as it was. Sheesh, you two won't be happy until you can run around sticking your dick in any willing participant with no responsibility for the consequences. And before you write it: your CHOICE comes with the act, and if you can't trust her CHOICE after the act, that should factor into your CHOICE before you take your dick out of your pants. The discussion in question is/was NOT about a man trying to shirk reponsibility for kid(s) he helped create. It's about a CP being attacked by other CPs for considering doing the right thing. If the LAW says you can take something, then you're supposed to take it. A prevalent attitude made revoltingly clear in that discussion. Actually, the right thhing to do is pay the $900 and quit buying food and clothes and other stuff...then these friggin arguements wouldn't happen. He would be better off finacially anyway. This is coming down to the woman claims her neighbor telling her something (his wifes income in also included in CS payment) and her believing it when it is completely false. And a bunch from the c*** brigade coming out and screaming for her to raise the amount beyond his income and try to take the new wifes income. Just to stay in tune with Paula's mood, if that woman didn't spread her legs, she also wouldnt be in this mess. Hmm, my mood has f'-all to do with this. Evidently you didn't read the thread because the vast majority of the responses were to "leave well enough alone", that if she didn't need the money that the court would order but that she agreed to do without then to continue to do so. The OP also stated that her "husband's lawyer" had told them the same information regarding household income. You need to get your facts straight, Relayer, because you've also misinformed people with respect to Illinois law on these matters, as well. You've stated that CP's income is never considered ... which is not true. I live in Illinois; I am dealing with a petition for CS right now; and I had to disclose both my 2006 income tax filing and pay stubs. Maybe it's a difference in jurisdiction, maybe a significant difference in CP income (as I do have one, and I do actually use the money that I make to support my child), maybe something else entirely ... dunno, but your reading of Illinois law is opposite that which my attorney has described to me. Just because the CP in your case is a money-grubber does not make us all money-grubbers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - NO where in 750 ILCS 5/505 does it ever take the NCP's income into account in firguring CS. I've been paying CS for 17 years and navigating Illinois family courts for as long and believe me if my ex could of try to attach my present wifes income, she would have. Never said anything about this ... and for the record, I don't believe that a subsequent spouse's income - from any source - should be used in child support calculation. As far as taking the CP's income into account, it is ONLY taken into account in regards from diviating from the guidelines. Wrong. I was told that it was completely at the discretion of the presiding judge, and that BY LAW I had to provide it. Ours is not a situation of deviating from the guidelines; both NCP and CP work and provide for the child. Then the financial resources and needs of the custodial parent are taken into account. Example, if you have two kids, the guidline is 28% of NET. As CP, if YOU can't get by on that (for whatever reason), they will look at your income (maybe you are diababled, stay at home, whatever) and adjust UP from there. NEVER down,as you imply. I never implied any such thing. I have 3 kids by my first and two by my second. My wife second made around $60,000 a year. I made around $180,000. My first wife (and her husband) did not work. I paid around 42% of MY net to my first wife for my kids. The guideline is 32%. So, by you admitting your income is taken into account simply broadcasts the fact that you are trying to push upward from the guideline, so ****ing come off it Paula. You are just another greeedy CP. Actually we (the parents involved, not the Court) are tentatively agreeing to leave the CS amount at the amount agreed upon 3+ years ago ... in favor of creating a Parenting Agreement, because _that's_ what's in the child's best interests. Sounds like you, Relayer, have both made some questionable choices _and_ gotten screwed over by the Court in favor of your ex ... neither of which says anything about me or my motives and situation. |
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On Mar 13, 4:00�pm, "Paula" wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:56 pm, "Relayer" wrote: On Mar 13, 12:37?pm, "Paula" wrote: On Mar 13, 10:31 am, "Relayer" wrote: On Mar 13, 10:24?am, wrote: On Mar 13, 10:56 am, "Paula" wrote: Did either of you actually read the thread???? Me? Of course I read the thread. It was originated by a woman asking if she should suggest a REDUCTION to CS, and the vast majority of the opinions were telling her to leave the situation as it was. Sheesh, you two won't be happy until you can run around sticking your dick in any willing participant with no responsibility for the consequences. And before you write it: your CHOICE comes with the act, and if you can't trust her CHOICE after the act, that should factor into your CHOICE before you take your dick out of your pants. The discussion in question is/was NOT about a man trying to shirk reponsibility for kid(s) he helped create. It's about a CP being attacked by other CPs for considering doing the right thing. If the LAW says you can take something, then you're supposed to take it. A prevalent attitude made revoltingly clear in that discussion. Actually, the right thhing to do is pay the $900 and quit buying food and clothes and other stuff...then these friggin arguements wouldn't happen. He would be better off finacially anyway. This is coming down to the woman claims her neighbor telling her something (his wifes income in also included in CS payment) and her believing it when it is completely false. And a bunch from the c*** brigade coming out and screaming for her to raise the amount beyond his income and try to take the new wifes income. Just to stay in tune with Paula's mood, if that woman didn't spread her legs, she also wouldnt be in this mess. Hmm, my mood has f'-all to do with this. Evidently you didn't read the thread because the vast majority of the responses were to "leave well enough alone", that if she didn't need the money that the court would order but that she agreed to do without then to continue to do so. The OP also stated that her "husband's lawyer" had told them the same information regarding household income. You need to get your facts straight, Relayer, because you've also misinformed people with respect to Illinois law on these matters, as well. You've stated that CP's income is never considered ... which is not true. I live in Illinois; I am dealing with a petition for CS right now; and I had to disclose both my 2006 income tax filing and pay stubs. Maybe it's a difference in jurisdiction, maybe a significant difference in CP income (as I do have one, and I do actually use the money that I make to support my child), maybe something else entirely ... dunno, but your reading of Illinois law is opposite that which my attorney has described to me. Just because the CP in your case is a money-grubber does not make us all money-grubbers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - NO where in 750 ILCS 5/505 does it ever take the NCP's income into account in firguring CS. I've been paying CS for 17 years and navigating Illinois family courts for as long and believe me if my ex could of try to attach my present wifes income, she would have. Never said anything about this ... and for the record, I don't believe that a subsequent spouse's income - from any source - should be used in child support calculation. As far as taking the CP's income into account, it is ONLY taken into account in regards from diviating from the guidelines. Wrong. *I was told that it was completely at the discretion of the presiding judge, and that BY LAW I had to provide it. *Ours is not a situation of deviating from the guidelines; both NCP and CP work and provide for the child. Then the financial resources and needs of the custodial parent are taken into account. Example, if you have two kids, the guidline is 28% of NET. As CP, if YOU can't get by on that (for whatever reason), they will look at your income (maybe you are diababled, stay at home, whatever) and adjust UP from there. NEVER down,as you imply. I never implied any such thing. I have 3 kids by my first and two by my second. My wife second made around $60,000 a year. I made around $180,000. My first wife (and her husband) did not work. I paid around 42% of MY net to my first wife for my kids. The guideline is 32%. So, by you admitting your income is taken into account simply broadcasts the fact that you are trying to push upward from the guideline, so ****ing come off it Paula. You are just another greeedy CP. Actually we (the parents involved, not the Court) are tentatively agreeing to leave the CS amount at the amount agreed upon 3+ years ago ... in favor of creating a Parenting Agreement, because _that's_ what's in the child's best interests. Sounds like you, Relayer, have both made some questionable choices _and_ gotten screwed over by the Court in favor of your ex ... neither of which says anything about me or my motives and situation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Naw, Paula, I don't feel screwed. I feel I paid my fair share. It's ok. It's was for my kids and I owed it to them. What I don't like to see are CP's running around, saying they are screwed.. he guideline is the minimum a NCP pays, the CP's incoome has no bearing. Any lawyer who tells you otherwise is milking you for money as the statute is clear. The JPA has no bearing if it is not recognized by the court so you have to bring before the judge and the final amount is his decision, with the minimum being the guideline and then a new order of support has to be entered. I know, because it happened to me. |
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On Mar 13, 4:12 pm, "Relayer" wrote:
On Mar 13, 4:00?pm, "Paula" wrote: On Mar 13, 12:56 pm, "Relayer" wrote: On Mar 13, 12:37?pm, "Paula" wrote: On Mar 13, 10:31 am, "Relayer" wrote: On Mar 13, 10:24?am, wrote: On Mar 13, 10:56 am, "Paula" wrote: Did either of you actually read the thread???? Me? Of course I read the thread. It was originated by a woman asking if she should suggest a REDUCTION to CS, and the vast majority of the opinions were telling her to leave the situation as it was. Sheesh, you two won't be happy until you can run around sticking your dick in any willing participant with no responsibility for the consequences. And before you write it: your CHOICE comes with the act, and if you can't trust her CHOICE after the act, that should factor into your CHOICE before you take your dick out of your pants. The discussion in question is/was NOT about a man trying to shirk reponsibility for kid(s) he helped create. It's about a CP being attacked by other CPs for considering doing the right thing. If the LAW says you can take something, then you're supposed to take it. A prevalent attitude made revoltingly clear in that discussion. Actually, the right thhing to do is pay the $900 and quit buying food and clothes and other stuff...then these friggin arguements wouldn't happen. He would be better off finacially anyway. This is coming down to the woman claims her neighbor telling her something (his wifes income in also included in CS payment) and her believing it when it is completely false. And a bunch from the c*** brigade coming out and screaming for her to raise the amount beyond his income and try to take the new wifes income. Just to stay in tune with Paula's mood, if that woman didn't spread her legs, she also wouldnt be in this mess. Hmm, my mood has f'-all to do with this. Evidently you didn't read the thread because the vast majority of the responses were to "leave well enough alone", that if she didn't need the money that the court would order but that she agreed to do without then to continue to do so. The OP also stated that her "husband's lawyer" had told them the same information regarding household income. You need to get your facts straight, Relayer, because you've also misinformed people with respect to Illinois law on these matters, as well. You've stated that CP's income is never considered ... which is not true. I live in Illinois; I am dealing with a petition for CS right now; and I had to disclose both my 2006 income tax filing and pay stubs. Maybe it's a difference in jurisdiction, maybe a significant difference in CP income (as I do have one, and I do actually use the money that I make to support my child), maybe something else entirely ... dunno, but your reading of Illinois law is opposite that which my attorney has described to me. Just because the CP in your case is a money-grubber does not make us all money-grubbers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - NO where in 750 ILCS 5/505 does it ever take the NCP's income into account in firguring CS. I've been paying CS for 17 years and navigating Illinois family courts for as long and believe me if my ex could of try to attach my present wifes income, she would have. Never said anything about this ... and for the record, I don't believe that a subsequent spouse's income - from any source - should be used in child support calculation. As far as taking the CP's income into account, it is ONLY taken into account in regards from diviating from the guidelines. Wrong. I was told that it was completely at the discretion of the presiding judge, and that BY LAW I had to provide it. Ours is not a situation of deviating from the guidelines; both NCP and CP work and provide for the child. Then the financial resources and needs of the custodial parent are taken into account. Example, if you have two kids, the guidline is 28% of NET. As CP, if YOU can't get by on that (for whatever reason), they will look at your income (maybe you are diababled, stay at home, whatever) and adjust UP from there. NEVER down,as you imply. I never implied any such thing. I have 3 kids by my first and two by my second. My wife second made around $60,000 a year. I made around $180,000. My first wife (and her husband) did not work. I paid around 42% of MY net to my first wife for my kids. The guideline is 32%. So, by you admitting your income is taken into account simply broadcasts the fact that you are trying to push upward from the guideline, so ****ing come off it Paula. You are just another greeedy CP. Actually we (the parents involved, not the Court) are tentatively agreeing to leave the CS amount at the amount agreed upon 3+ years ago ... in favor of creating a Parenting Agreement, because _that's_ what's in the child's best interests. Sounds like you, Relayer, have both made some questionable choices _and_ gotten screwed over by the Court in favor of your ex ... neither of which says anything about me or my motives and situation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Naw, Paula, I don't feel screwed. I feel I paid my fair share. It's ok. It's was for my kids and I owed it to them. What I don't like to see are CP's running around, saying they are screwed.. he guideline is the minimum a NCP pays, the CP's incoome has no bearing. Any lawyer who tells you otherwise is milking you for money as the statute is clear. The JPA has no bearing if it is not recognized by the court so you have to bring before the judge and the final amount is his decision, with the minimum being the guideline and then a new order of support has to be entered. I know, because it happened to me. I sincerely hope not ... because if the Judge comes in and craps all over our hard work in coming to an agreement (because that is the plan ... filing the PA with the Court), I'm going to be seriously ****ed off. Do you really think it is the Court and not your ex to blame in your situation going so awry? |
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On Mar 13, 4:53?pm, "Paula" wrote:
On Mar 13, 4:12 pm, "Relayer" wrote: Do you really think it is the Court and not your ex to blame in your situation going so awry?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh no, I feel she's to blame. She put up a good "Oh, I am so helpless" arguement..she was so helpless that she got the house, had the BF move in, and neither have worked in the 12 years since the divorce. But, like a said, the 32% is only a minimum starting point. |
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On Mar 13, 6:42?pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
CP plus NCP CS obligation really provides (if actually spent) for the care and maintenance of the children. I know in my case, very little |
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"Paula" wrote ................... I sincerely hope not ... because if the Judge comes in and craps all over our hard work in coming to an agreement (because that is the plan ... filing the PA with the Court), I'm going to be seriously ****ed off. === Paula, I am not familiar with IL law but I can tell you that judges nationwide have taken the position that the CS belongs to the child and the parents do not have the right to negotiate it away. Not all judges do this. but it happens. My ex and I stayed completely out of court with our kids (no custody or CS). Turning our kids over to court jurisdiction didn't set well with either of us. And, once the court gets jurisdiction over your kids, you need the court's permission to get it back. At the very base, it is all about money and no amount of money or lack of money was worth the tradeoff to us. Those kids are now grown (late 20s) and we have never regretted our decision, and my ex and I still speak to each other. And you know the greatest benefactors of our choices are the kids who have had to field a few inquiries about how/why their divorced parents get along so well. Our kids appreciate that we put their welfare and best interest above whatever disagreements we might have had with each other--and still do. I wish you all the best, knowing there is a lot of pressure to comply with the very broken system. |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 13, 10:38 am, "Relayer" wrote: Since when is a spouses income taken into account for a CS obligation? It's not. The OP was either mixed up on how things work, or a judge/ lawyer/caseworker did something illegal and it actually was ordered that way. Who knows. The point is that none of the respondants cared how the amount was arrived at - the law came up with a number and that's that, the CP needs to take it all. These types of discussions about how much CS is the right amount leave out one important factor - How much is the CP supposed to be paying for their share of the CS obligation. I really doubt any of the women who were advocating going for more CS even considered the amount the CP would be getting is in addition to the CP's required share to support the children. And an increase in NCP CS could also mean an increase in CP CS. They all seemed to want to push a greater financial burden onto the NCP dad without any consideration for how much the CP plus NCP CS obligation really provides (if actually spent) for the care and maintenance of the children. |
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"Relayer" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 13, 6:42?pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: CP plus NCP CS obligation really provides (if actually spent) for the care and maintenance of the children. I know in my case, very little Most CP mothers forget their teenage children are smarter than they give them credit for and understand what is going on. The children tell their dads what is really happening and where the money goes. My ex actually showed one of my children a spreadsheet of how she planned to spend a lump sum CS payment. Then my ex denied she made the spreadsheet when I suggested she was not spending the CS as intended. If it wasn't for stuff like that I couldn't laugh at what I went through and realize her life was a lie and cover-up of reality when it came to how CS money was really spent. |
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