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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
You referred to something I had posted to another person. So I
responded to your stupid comment, that was directed at me and about another post. Keep up ding dong On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:45:22 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: So why did you reply to my post, dumb****? Fighting For Kids wrote: Blah blah.. i was posting to the person who said some other things. You are such an ass. For calling you on your stupidity? Soooooo sorry : ) But then, one doesn't need to be very bright to spot it.... Mel Gamble On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:19:49 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Read the post again fruitkake2...particularly the part where fruitkake1 wrote: " No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself.", indicating that the person posting "this guy"s research posted the researchers estimate as fact, which he didn't. fruitkake1 responded to a post which didn't even attempt to make the point to which fruitkake1 thought he was responding - proving that "fruitkake" is more fitting than anything denoting "for kids". And now comes fruitkake2 who seems to think *I* posted the original article. Apparently fruitkake2 is jealous of the frutkake rating of fruitkake1 and is attempting to show himself more deserving of it... Mel Gamble wrote: However in the sentence before that you posted "Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child." This professor is just one person, who yes, estimates his own figures. Im sure that there are other professors that would estimate something different. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:47:25 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Flying Fruit Kake doesn't know the meaning of "estimate"...just one of many factors missing in her education... Fighting for kids wrote: Snore... "Paul Fritz" wrote in message ... And this............... Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child support laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how could it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial parents can spend this tax-free gift Tax Free how do you figure? Its already taxed, do you propose it be taxed twice ? on anything they want: booze, drugs, new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S. Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on the child. No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself. Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines. I agree. I think that there should be some kind of accountability on each parents part. I also think that those who do not pay support on time and fall behind so much should NOT be allowed to get away with it. Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented to this very same committee in 1995). Where? What study? Why? Money is a destabilizer or put differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for increasing child well-being? Usually these studies concentrate on what the state itself spends on things such as education, medical coverage, ect not on what impact child support has on the children. You yourself said how could any study dictate such things if they dont have any accountability where the money is spent and no one really knows how much is actually spent on the child. The two dont correlate at all. The intact family, something not terribly popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no less). And raising a child alone is not work? Sure it is, but GOOD parents don't ask somebody else to pay them for doing it... A recent study showed that a stay at home parent has as much stress and responsiblity as someone who works TWO full time jobs. So a single parent who has NO support from the NCP has to do this PLUS work a job to support their family (as statistics show "most" NCP's dont pay support on a regular basis nor do they pay the full amounts ordered). Get off the "CP's" dont work. Fruit Kake, of course, doesn't require that anyone make such an assertion before making the "get off" it statement...what a loser : ) Mel Gamble "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Matt D" wrote in message om... Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that. And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver... "In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the question directly have concluded otherwise." |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
I like you. I really do.
I hate poor spelling and really bad grammatical errors. And I don't believe they should be overlooked just because someone wants to be creative. ~AZ~ "Dusty" wrote in message ... It's "you're" as in "you are" or "You're confused." I believe you where attempting to say, "You're confused, it doesn't surprise me." Or you could have been attempting to say, "You have me confused, which doesn't surprise me." Or it may have been you where attempting to blather.. "I'm so confused, don't surprise me!" Or you may well have thought to say, but your fingers couldn't move to the appropriate keys because of the medication you're on.. "I'm so stupid, I can't form coherent sentences much less type them in an intelligible manner for others to read." Which one is it? And while you're at it - pick a friggin' name and stick to it!!!! "Fighting For Kids" wrote in message ... Your confused, doesnt surprise me!!! On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:43:14 -0500, "Dusty" wrote: [snip] |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
Translation: "I didn't bother to read before responding - just saw one
of my aliases and fired off a blather without thinking." Mel Gamble Fighting For Kids wrote: You referred to something I had posted to another person. So I responded to your stupid comment, that was directed at me and about another post. Keep up ding dong On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:45:22 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: So why did you reply to my post, dumb****? Fighting For Kids wrote: Blah blah.. i was posting to the person who said some other things. You are such an ass. For calling you on your stupidity? Soooooo sorry : ) But then, one doesn't need to be very bright to spot it.... Mel Gamble On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:19:49 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Read the post again fruitkake2...particularly the part where fruitkake1 wrote: " No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself.", indicating that the person posting "this guy"s research posted the researchers estimate as fact, which he didn't. fruitkake1 responded to a post which didn't even attempt to make the point to which fruitkake1 thought he was responding - proving that "fruitkake" is more fitting than anything denoting "for kids". And now comes fruitkake2 who seems to think *I* posted the original article. Apparently fruitkake2 is jealous of the frutkake rating of fruitkake1 and is attempting to show himself more deserving of it... Mel Gamble wrote: However in the sentence before that you posted "Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child." This professor is just one person, who yes, estimates his own figures. Im sure that there are other professors that would estimate something different. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:47:25 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Flying Fruit Kake doesn't know the meaning of "estimate"...just one of many factors missing in her education... Fighting for kids wrote: Snore... "Paul Fritz" wrote in message ... And this............... Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child support laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how could it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial parents can spend this tax-free gift Tax Free how do you figure? Its already taxed, do you propose it be taxed twice ? on anything they want: booze, drugs, new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S. Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on the child. No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself. Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines. I agree. I think that there should be some kind of accountability on each parents part. I also think that those who do not pay support on time and fall behind so much should NOT be allowed to get away with it. Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented to this very same committee in 1995). Where? What study? Why? Money is a destabilizer or put differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for increasing child well-being? Usually these studies concentrate on what the state itself spends on things such as education, medical coverage, ect not on what impact child support has on the children. You yourself said how could any study dictate such things if they dont have any accountability where the money is spent and no one really knows how much is actually spent on the child. The two dont correlate at all. The intact family, something not terribly popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no less). And raising a child alone is not work? Sure it is, but GOOD parents don't ask somebody else to pay them for doing it... A recent study showed that a stay at home parent has as much stress and responsiblity as someone who works TWO full time jobs. So a single parent who has NO support from the NCP has to do this PLUS work a job to support their family (as statistics show "most" NCP's dont pay support on a regular basis nor do they pay the full amounts ordered). Get off the "CP's" dont work. Fruit Kake, of course, doesn't require that anyone make such an assertion before making the "get off" it statement...what a loser : ) Mel Gamble "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Matt D" wrote in message om... Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that. And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver... "In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the question directly have concluded otherwise." |
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Sorry but I dont think so.
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:10:48 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Translation: "I didn't bother to read before responding - just saw one of my aliases and fired off a blather without thinking." Mel Gamble Fighting For Kids wrote: You referred to something I had posted to another person. So I responded to your stupid comment, that was directed at me and about another post. Keep up ding dong On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:45:22 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: So why did you reply to my post, dumb****? Fighting For Kids wrote: Blah blah.. i was posting to the person who said some other things. You are such an ass. For calling you on your stupidity? Soooooo sorry : ) But then, one doesn't need to be very bright to spot it.... Mel Gamble On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:19:49 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Read the post again fruitkake2...particularly the part where fruitkake1 wrote: " No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself.", indicating that the person posting "this guy"s research posted the researchers estimate as fact, which he didn't. fruitkake1 responded to a post which didn't even attempt to make the point to which fruitkake1 thought he was responding - proving that "fruitkake" is more fitting than anything denoting "for kids". And now comes fruitkake2 who seems to think *I* posted the original article. Apparently fruitkake2 is jealous of the frutkake rating of fruitkake1 and is attempting to show himself more deserving of it... Mel Gamble wrote: However in the sentence before that you posted "Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child." This professor is just one person, who yes, estimates his own figures. Im sure that there are other professors that would estimate something different. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:47:25 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Flying Fruit Kake doesn't know the meaning of "estimate"...just one of many factors missing in her education... Fighting for kids wrote: Snore... "Paul Fritz" wrote in message ... And this............... Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child support laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how could it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial parents can spend this tax-free gift Tax Free how do you figure? Its already taxed, do you propose it be taxed twice ? on anything they want: booze, drugs, new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S. Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on the child. No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself. Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines. I agree. I think that there should be some kind of accountability on each parents part. I also think that those who do not pay support on time and fall behind so much should NOT be allowed to get away with it. Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented to this very same committee in 1995). Where? What study? Why? Money is a destabilizer or put differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for increasing child well-being? Usually these studies concentrate on what the state itself spends on things such as education, medical coverage, ect not on what impact child support has on the children. You yourself said how could any study dictate such things if they dont have any accountability where the money is spent and no one really knows how much is actually spent on the child. The two dont correlate at all. The intact family, something not terribly popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no less). And raising a child alone is not work? Sure it is, but GOOD parents don't ask somebody else to pay them for doing it... A recent study showed that a stay at home parent has as much stress and responsiblity as someone who works TWO full time jobs. So a single parent who has NO support from the NCP has to do this PLUS work a job to support their family (as statistics show "most" NCP's dont pay support on a regular basis nor do they pay the full amounts ordered). Get off the "CP's" dont work. Fruit Kake, of course, doesn't require that anyone make such an assertion before making the "get off" it statement...what a loser : ) Mel Gamble "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Matt D" wrote in message om... Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that. And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver... "In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the question directly have concluded otherwise." |
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Mel Gamble Fighting For Kids wrote: Sorry but I dont think. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:10:48 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Translation: "I didn't bother to read before responding - just saw one of my aliases and fired off a blather without thinking." Mel Gamble Fighting For Kids wrote: You referred to something I had posted to another person. So I responded to your stupid comment, that was directed at me and about another post. Keep up ding dong On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:45:22 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: So why did you reply to my post, dumb****? Fighting For Kids wrote: Blah blah.. i was posting to the person who said some other things. You are such an ass. For calling you on your stupidity? Soooooo sorry : ) But then, one doesn't need to be very bright to spot it.... Mel Gamble On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:19:49 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Read the post again fruitkake2...particularly the part where fruitkake1 wrote: " No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself.", indicating that the person posting "this guy"s research posted the researchers estimate as fact, which he didn't. fruitkake1 responded to a post which didn't even attempt to make the point to which fruitkake1 thought he was responding - proving that "fruitkake" is more fitting than anything denoting "for kids". And now comes fruitkake2 who seems to think *I* posted the original article. Apparently fruitkake2 is jealous of the frutkake rating of fruitkake1 and is attempting to show himself more deserving of it... Mel Gamble wrote: However in the sentence before that you posted "Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child." This professor is just one person, who yes, estimates his own figures. Im sure that there are other professors that would estimate something different. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:47:25 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Flying Fruit Kake doesn't know the meaning of "estimate"...just one of many factors missing in her education... Fighting for kids wrote: Snore... "Paul Fritz" wrote in message ... And this............... Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child support laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how could it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial parents can spend this tax-free gift Tax Free how do you figure? Its already taxed, do you propose it be taxed twice ? on anything they want: booze, drugs, new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S. Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on the child. No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself. Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines. I agree. I think that there should be some kind of accountability on each parents part. I also think that those who do not pay support on time and fall behind so much should NOT be allowed to get away with it. Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented to this very same committee in 1995). Where? What study? Why? Money is a destabilizer or put differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for increasing child well-being? Usually these studies concentrate on what the state itself spends on things such as education, medical coverage, ect not on what impact child support has on the children. You yourself said how could any study dictate such things if they dont have any accountability where the money is spent and no one really knows how much is actually spent on the child. The two dont correlate at all. The intact family, something not terribly popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no less). And raising a child alone is not work? Sure it is, but GOOD parents don't ask somebody else to pay them for doing it... A recent study showed that a stay at home parent has as much stress and responsiblity as someone who works TWO full time jobs. So a single parent who has NO support from the NCP has to do this PLUS work a job to support their family (as statistics show "most" NCP's dont pay support on a regular basis nor do they pay the full amounts ordered). Get off the "CP's" dont work. Fruit Kake, of course, doesn't require that anyone make such an assertion before making the "get off" it statement...what a loser : ) Mel Gamble "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Matt D" wrote in message om... Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that. And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver... "In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the question directly have concluded otherwise." |
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Mel Gamble Fighting For Kids wrote: Sorry but I dont think. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:10:48 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Translation: "I didn't bother to read before responding - just saw one of my aliases and fired off a blather without thinking." Mel Gamble Fighting For Kids wrote: You referred to something I had posted to another person. So I responded to your stupid comment, that was directed at me and about another post. Keep up ding dong On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:45:22 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: So why did you reply to my post, dumb****? Fighting For Kids wrote: Blah blah.. i was posting to the person who said some other things. You are such an ass. For calling you on your stupidity? Soooooo sorry : ) But then, one doesn't need to be very bright to spot it.... Mel Gamble On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:19:49 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Read the post again fruitkake2...particularly the part where fruitkake1 wrote: " No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself.", indicating that the person posting "this guy"s research posted the researchers estimate as fact, which he didn't. fruitkake1 responded to a post which didn't even attempt to make the point to which fruitkake1 thought he was responding - proving that "fruitkake" is more fitting than anything denoting "for kids". And now comes fruitkake2 who seems to think *I* posted the original article. Apparently fruitkake2 is jealous of the frutkake rating of fruitkake1 and is attempting to show himself more deserving of it... Mel Gamble wrote: However in the sentence before that you posted "Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child." This professor is just one person, who yes, estimates his own figures. Im sure that there are other professors that would estimate something different. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:47:25 GMT, Melvin Gamble wrote: Flying Fruit Kake doesn't know the meaning of "estimate"...just one of many factors missing in her education... Fighting for kids wrote: Snore... "Paul Fritz" wrote in message ... And this............... Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child support laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how could it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial parents can spend this tax-free gift Tax Free how do you figure? Its already taxed, do you propose it be taxed twice ? on anything they want: booze, drugs, new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S. Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on the child. No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself. Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines. I agree. I think that there should be some kind of accountability on each parents part. I also think that those who do not pay support on time and fall behind so much should NOT be allowed to get away with it. Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented to this very same committee in 1995). Where? What study? Why? Money is a destabilizer or put differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for increasing child well-being? Usually these studies concentrate on what the state itself spends on things such as education, medical coverage, ect not on what impact child support has on the children. You yourself said how could any study dictate such things if they dont have any accountability where the money is spent and no one really knows how much is actually spent on the child. The two dont correlate at all. The intact family, something not terribly popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no less). And raising a child alone is not work? Sure it is, but GOOD parents don't ask somebody else to pay them for doing it... A recent study showed that a stay at home parent has as much stress and responsiblity as someone who works TWO full time jobs. So a single parent who has NO support from the NCP has to do this PLUS work a job to support their family (as statistics show "most" NCP's dont pay support on a regular basis nor do they pay the full amounts ordered). Get off the "CP's" dont work. Fruit Kake, of course, doesn't require that anyone make such an assertion before making the "get off" it statement...what a loser : ) Mel Gamble "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Matt D" wrote in message om... Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that. And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver... "In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the question directly have concluded otherwise." |
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