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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
ROTFLMAO!!!!
EXCELLENT!!!! Way to go Dan!! I love it!!! You get the gold star!! "Dan Curry" wrote in message . .. I used their "Report a DeadBeat form" to report all the scumbags behind this Extortion racket. |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
Good then you can report yourself so you can be added to their list of
deadbeats... Dan Curry Owes : $xxx,xxx Steven Spehar: 179,619.44 Evelyn Sammut: 102021.00 Jeffery Kelly: 71739.31 Gregory Thomas: 50879.00 Michael Woodworth: 47229.00 Dennis Horn: 44848.68 Timothy Ackley: 41,000.00 WHo else in here needs to be listed?? Bob Whiteside, Matt D, Paul Fritz, Dusty, Melvin the Rambler, Nytmove, Teacherpreacher's hubby, Lecher9000 oh and we cant forget little gini the aspiring lawyer who doesnt know jack about laws. "Dan Curry" wrote in message . .. I used their "Report a DeadBeat form" to report all the scumbags behind this Extortion racket. "Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message ... Cox strategy targets child support deadbeats October 17, 2003 BY JACK KRESNAK FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER Attorney General Mike Cox announced a two-pronged strategy Thursday to help get child support for Michigan's 650,000 children who receive no financial help from absent parents. In the state's six largest counties, about 40,000 parents each owe more than $40,000 in overdue child support. But only a few hundred of them are facing criminal charges. That will change, Cox said. "This isn't some social faux pas or breach of etiquette," Cox said. "This is a crime." Under the PayKids initiative, the attorney general will use 39 billboards, a Web site, www.paykids.com, and a toll-free phone number to help parents collect child support while educating the public at the same time. The phone number is 866-729-5437. Cox has also created a child-support division with a team of special assistant attorneys general to help prosecute thousands of criminal cases in counties other than Wayne in which parents owe at least $40,000 in court-ordered child support. In Wayne County, Cox's office will prosecute cases in which more than $100,000 is owed, while County Prosecutor Mike Duggan's office will pursue child-support violators who owe more than $5,000 in child support as long as the children's cases are still active through the county's Friend of the Court. In Michigan, Cox said, more than $7 billion is owed by child-support violators, $3 billion of that to Michigan taxpayers who have supported the children through welfare programs. Since April, Cox said, his division has arrested 54 people, issued 95 arrest warrants and collected more than $725,000 for Michigan children. Duggan said his office has prosecuted 820 violators this year and collected $908,000 for children. The PayKids initiative is being funded by corporate sponsors including General Motors Corp., the bridge-and-trucking company Centra, the Michigan Hospital Association and the Michigan Medical Society. The nonprofit initiative is expected to raise more than $500,000 in its first year. Geraldine Jensen, president of the Association for Children for Enforcement of Support (ACES), a national organization based in Ann Arbor, praised Cox for his efforts. Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
Why have a study for something that is so obvious?
"Dusty" wrote in message ... "Matt D" wrote in message om... Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that. And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver... "In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the question directly have concluded otherwise." |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
In article , Dusty says...
ROTFLMAO!!!! EXCELLENT!!!! Way to go Dan!! I love it!!! You get the gold star!! "Dan Curry" wrote in message ... I used their "Report a DeadBeat form" to report all the scumbags behind this Extortion racket. === Read slowly, FFK and give your brain time to catch up to the meaning. === === |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message ... So go flip burgers!!! I suppose he could. But then how is he going to pay her with an imputed income; with "imputed" cash? "Chris" wrote in message news:svkrb.10191$0K6.10076@fed1read06... wrote in message ... Paul F. states: "Cox is a horses ass..." snipped And I voted for the asshole too. He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor. In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor detail or two. 1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be dismantled, and a new system put in it's place. 2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see what they can pay. Neither of those two things is gonna happen. Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was court ordered. Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't made that Big money for (maybe) years? They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in worse shape (child support wise) than they were before. Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead beats. Dedicated non payers. I knew of a man who lost his truck driving job and couldn't pay the "child support" money to the woman. While in the process of finding another trucking job, she had his driver's license pulled........ Go figure. That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen. nm |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message ... So, as paul harvey says.. here's the rest of the story... Brother probably was behind in the first place, brother probably jumped from job to job and the judge said enough is enough and told this deadbeat to get off his ass and find a job. Involuntary servitude is illegal. "Dusty" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Paul F. states: "Cox is a horses ass..." snipped And I voted for the asshole too. He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor. In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor detail or two. 1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be dismantled, and a new system put in it's place. 2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see what they can pay. Neither of those two things is gonna happen. Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was court ordered. Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't made that Big money for (maybe) years? They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in worse shape (child support wise) than they were before. Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead beats. Dedicated non payers. That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen. nm My brother had something similar happen to him - FIVE TIMES!! He had a good job in 2001, was paying his CS (there are several instances of overpayment, but that's another story..), had a nice apartment, saw his kids regularly, no problems. Then the stock market falls on it's face and in no time at all 8+ million people where out of work. He went back to the courts on five different occasions to have the CS lowered. The god damned judge ordered an INCREASE from $600 a month to over $1000 a month!! He had no job, no job prospects (save of flipping burgers) on the horizon and this jack-ass tells him "It's incentive." What the hell is that kind of crap?!?! Incentive my ass! It's robbery, plan and simple. So, now the state wants to put him behind bars for "failure to pay". What a crock of **** that idea is. Lock up someone that hasn't committed any crime, to force them to give up money that they don't have. Now that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense - NOT! And they wonder why the suicide rate for divorced men is 10 times higher than the national average... |
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And this...............
Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child support laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how could it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial parents can spend this tax-free gift on anything they want: booze, drugs, new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S. Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on the child. Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines. Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented to this very same committee in 1995). Why? Money is a destabilizer or put differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for increasing child well-being? The intact family, something not terribly popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no less). "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Matt D" wrote in message om... Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that. And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver... "In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the question directly have concluded otherwise." |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
Work two jobs, three jobs.
"Chris" wrote in message news:VDprb.11957$0K6.4847@fed1read06... "Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message ... So go flip burgers!!! I suppose he could. But then how is he going to pay her with an imputed income; with "imputed" cash? "Chris" wrote in message news:svkrb.10191$0K6.10076@fed1read06... wrote in message ... Paul F. states: "Cox is a horses ass..." snipped And I voted for the asshole too. He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor. In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor detail or two. 1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be dismantled, and a new system put in it's place. 2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see what they can pay. Neither of those two things is gonna happen. Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was court ordered. Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't made that Big money for (maybe) years? They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in worse shape (child support wise) than they were before. Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead beats. Dedicated non payers. I knew of a man who lost his truck driving job and couldn't pay the "child support" money to the woman. While in the process of finding another trucking job, she had his driver's license pulled........ Go figure. That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen. nm |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
Snore...
"Paul Fritz" wrote in message ... And this............... Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child support laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how could it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial parents can spend this tax-free gift Tax Free how do you figure? Its already taxed, do you propose it be taxed twice ? on anything they want: booze, drugs, new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody knows how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S. Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on the child. No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself. Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines. I agree. I think that there should be some kind of accountability on each parents part. I also think that those who do not pay support on time and fall behind so much should NOT be allowed to get away with it. Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented to this very same committee in 1995). Where? What study? Why? Money is a destabilizer or put differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for increasing child well-being? Usually these studies concentrate on what the state itself spends on things such as education, medical coverage, ect not on what impact child support has on the children. You yourself said how could any study dictate such things if they dont have any accountability where the money is spent and no one really knows how much is actually spent on the child. The two dont correlate at all. The intact family, something not terribly popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no less). And raising a child alone is not work? A recent study showed that a stay at home parent has as much stress and responsiblity as someone who works TWO full time jobs. So a single parent who has NO support from the NCP has to do this PLUS work a job to support their family (as statistics show "most" NCP's dont pay support on a regular basis nor do they pay the full amounts ordered). Get off the "CP's" dont work. "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Matt D" wrote in message om... Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent has." What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that. And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver... "In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the question directly have concluded otherwise." |
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Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats
"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message ... Good then you can report yourself so you can be added to their list of deadbeats... Dan Curry Owes : $xxx,xxx Steven Spehar: 179,619.44 Evelyn Sammut: 102021.00 Jeffery Kelly: 71739.31 Gregory Thomas: 50879.00 Michael Woodworth: 47229.00 Dennis Horn: 44848.68 Timothy Ackley: 41,000.00 WHo else in here needs to be listed?? Bob Whiteside, Matt D, Paul Fritz, Dusty, Melvin the Rambler, Nytmove, Teacherpreacher's hubby, Lecher9000 oh and we cant forget little gini the aspiring lawyer who doesnt know jack about laws. I haven't paid any CS to support my children's mother for nearly 5 years. I used the laws and got out of having to pay her anything. And I took all of the tax benefits she used to get too. I enjoy being called a deadbeat for what I did and how I used the system to my advantage. It's really easy to do. Some day I might even explain it to FFK. |
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