Vaccine autism

Happy Dog wrote:

Autism can now be added to this list. The chances of an abnormal reaction
of the immune system being caused by a process whose stated aim is to
cause an unusual reaction of the immune system is, in my humble opinion,
fairly high.


Educate yourself.

No, you educate yourself. I already did.

"World Peace Now" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
"Ilena Rose" wrote

We are all like snowflakes ... no two of us alike ... and how we
respond to drugs, chemicals, etc. is unique.

True, which means

Could you descibe how 'extreme caution' is being used in using new
vaccines?

Any adverse events, whether doctors think they are caused by the vaccines or
not must be reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, a
database which looks for possible problems.

In addition, to get a vaccine licensed, it must be proven that it is safe
and effective.

How about putting in place a program to screen infants and identify
at-risk factors?

Screen them for what?

How about testing for allergies to vaccine ingredients before vaccinating?

Is there a big problem with people having vaccine allergic reactions that
would be prevented if they were tested?

How about asking for information on previous reactions or on family
history of vaccine reactions, or history of auto-immune disease before
vaccinating?

Is there any evidence this would achieve anything?

Would any of those be considered as exercising reasonable caution?

Quite frankly, I don't think so. Other than to waste time and money.

Quite right what you say - extreme caution must be used when using new
drugs. Or old drugs. Or any drugs. I don't remember any caution being used
when my class was lined up for our jabs at school without parental
consultation. That was in the UK in 1970's. Anything changed? Not much. Or
my daughter's doctors exercising any caution before they injected her with
vaccines. Or any caution being used in screening for potential risk
factors before vaccinating.

Sorry, I don't know what they do in the UK.

There are many who believe that vaccination practice over the last hundred
years has led to an explosion in auto-immune diseases or conditions that
seem to involve an abnormal immune activity.

You can believe that the extinction of purple monsters caused an explosion
auto-immune system diseases. That doesn;t make it so.

In many of these conditions, it is not clearly understood to what the
immune system is reacting. Conditions such as arthritis, celiac disease,
diabetes, Chronic fatigue syndrome, Multiple Sclerosis, AIDS and Cancer
are among
the primary diseases of Modern Civilization. Autism can now be added to
this list.

So can kids hitting each other after watching violent TV shows. But that
doesn't make it so, either.

The fact of the matter is that there is no good evidence that vaccines cause
autism. This was carefully investigated.

You forgot obesity, heart disease, type II diabetes and heart attacks.

Can you please provide real evidence that vaccines cause any of these or the
ones you listed?

The chances of an abnormal reaction of the immune system being caused by a
process whose stated aim is to cause an unusual reaction of the immune
system is, in my humble opinion, fairly high.

What process has a stated aim of causing an unusual reaction of the immune
system?

Certainly not vaccination. The stated purpose of vaccination is to cause the
immune system to recognize a particular foreign oganism and to mount a
well-known and predictable reaction against the organism that protects the
person who gets the vaccine against that organism.

jeff

"World Peace Now" wrote in message
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Happy Dog wrote:

Autism can now be added to this list. The chances of an abnormal reaction
of the immune system being caused by a process whose stated aim is to
cause an unusual reaction of the immune system is, in my humble opinion,
fairly high.


Educate yourself.

No, you educate yourself. I already did.

Nice comeback. You should write it down.

All you need now are facts.

Jeff

"World Peace Now" wrote in

Autism can now be added to this list. The chances of an abnormal reaction
of the immune system being caused by a process whose stated aim is to
cause an unusual reaction of the immune system is, in my humble opinion,
fairly high.

Educate yourself.

No, you educate yourself. I already did.

No. You accepted as fact the story that sounded the best. You are a
scientifically illiterate imbecile whose worthless prognostications are not
even humorous and, therefore, wholly without value. You have yet to back
any claim you've made with anything but a spam fake-Viagra sales site and
incoherent bull****. That you call your stunted intellectual growth an
"education", unfortunately, says more about the modern education system than
your deluded mind.

m

"Happy Dog"
"World Peace Now" wrote in
No, you educate yourself. I already did.

No. You accepted as fact the story that sounded the best. You are a
scientifically illiterate imbecile whose worthless prognostications are
not even humorous and, therefore, wholly without value. You have yet to
back any claim you've made with anything but a spam fake-Viagra sales site
and incoherent bull****.

Oops. Skip the spam bit. The rest stands.

m

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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No. You accepted as fact the story that sounded the best. You are a
scientifically illiterate imbecile whose worthless prognostications are
not
even humorous and, therefore, wholly without value. You have yet to back
any claim you've made with anything but a spam fake-Viagra sales site and
incoherent bull****. That you call your stunted intellectual growth an
"education", unfortunately, says more about the modern education system
than
your deluded mind.

ad hominem, your usual, it rather proves the point you can't think, so how
can you judge anyone elses?

"john"
"Happy Dog" wrote in message
. ..


No. You accepted as fact the story that sounded the best. You are a
scientifically illiterate imbecile whose worthless prognostications are
not
even humorous and, therefore, wholly without value. You have yet to back
any claim you've made with anything but a spam fake-Viagra sales site and
incoherent bull****. That you call your stunted intellectual growth an
"education", unfortunately, says more about the modern education system
than your deluded mind.

ad hominem, your usual, it rather proves the point you can't think, so how
can you judge anyone elses?

I'll leave that to others to judge.

m

Jeff wrote:
"World Peace Now" wrote in message
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Happy Dog wrote:


Autism can now be added to this list. The chances of an abnormal reaction
of the immune system being caused by a process whose stated aim is to
cause an unusual reaction of the immune system is, in my humble opinion,
fairly high.


Educate yourself.


No, you educate yourself. I already did.


Nice comeback. You should write it down.

All you need now are facts.

Jeff


http://saras-autism-diet.freeservers...connection.PDF

Autism - the Vaccine Connection (pdf)
Describes in detail how vaccination altered human immunity, and the
consequences for all our lives. As this altered immunity is passed on,
each generation makes new immunogenetic adaptations in an attempt to
protect the developing fetus and which can be seen in the host of new
immunological disorders emerging in each new generation. One of these
adaptations is called autism.

Jeff wrote:

"World Peace Now" wrote in message
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Happy Dog wrote:


Autism can now be added to this list. The chances of an abnormal reaction
of the immune system being caused by a process whose stated aim is to
cause an unusual reaction of the immune system is, in my humble opinion,
fairly high.


Educate yourself.


No, you educate yourself. I already did.


Nice comeback. You should write it down.

All you need now are facts.

Jeff


Circulating autoantibodies to neuronal and glial filament proteins in
autism.

Singh VK, Warren R, Averett R, Ghaziuddin M.

Department of Psychiatry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 48109-1065, USA.

Autoimmunity may be a pathogenic factor in autism, a behavioral disorder
of early childhood onset. Circulating autoantibodies are produced in
organ-specific autoimmunity; therefore, we investigated them in the
plasma of autistic subjects, mentally retarded (MR) subjects, and
healthy controls. Autoantibodies (IgG isotype) to neuron-axon filament
protein (anti-NAFP) and glial fibrillary acidic protein (anti-GFAP) were
analyzed by the Western immunoblotting technique. We found a significant
increase in incidence of anti-NAFP (P = .004) and anti-GFAP (P = .002)
in autistic subjects, but not in MR subjects. Clinically, these
autoantibodies may be related to autoimmune pathology in autism.

Jeff wrote:

"World Peace Now" wrote in message
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Happy Dog wrote:


Autism can now be added to this list. The chances of an abnormal reaction
of the immune system being caused by a process whose stated aim is to
cause an unusual reaction of the immune system is, in my humble opinion,
fairly high.


Educate yourself.


No, you educate yourself. I already did.


Nice comeback. You should write it down.

All you need now are facts.

Jeff


Strong association of the third hypervariable region of HLA-DR beta 1
with autism.

Warren RP, Odell JD, Warren WL, Burger RA, Maciulis A, Daniels WW,
Torres AR.

Center for Persons with Disabilities, Utah State University, Logan
84322, USA.

We reported that the major histocompatibility complex (MHC) including
the null allele of the C4B gene and the extended haplotype B44-C30-DR4
is associated with autism. We report now that the third hypervariable
region (HVR-3) of certain DR beta 1 alleles have very strong association
with autism. The HVR-3 of DR beta 1* 0401 or the shared HVR-3 alleles DR
beta 1* 0404 and DR beta 1* 0404 and DR *0101, was expressed on extended
haplotypes in 23 of 50 (46%) autistic subjects as compared to only 6 of
79 (7.5%) normal subjects. Another HVR-3 sequence, the DR beta 1* 0701
allele, was carried on extended haplotypes in 16 (32.0%) of the autistic
subjects as compared to 8 (10.1%) of the normal subjects.