US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.

HCN wrote:
Like the vaccines cause less damage then the actual disease in your country.
Try talking to the over 60 victims of polio, the over 5000 who had
diptheria, and the over 30 thousand who had measles in India last year...
ask them if they would rather had a vaccine instead:
http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C='ind'

The 60 cases of polio you report have been probed by journalists.
Nearly all these children have been immunised prior to their being
struck by polio. It is widely known in India that the governments
persistence with the Oral Polio Vaccine that employs a live virus which
is causing the problem. There are cases of children of entire villages
who have "polio like" symptoms after having received the drops.

5000 diptheria cases is not even a dot if you consider the population
of India. Properly treated Indian children survive diptheria as they
have over the centuries.

Measles is a fully curable illness unless mismanaged. Getting the
measles is the best form of immunisation against further attack. We all
know how vaccines "fail".

How do you compare your above statistics with 1.74 MILLION autistic
children in India? Autism was unknown to India and has surfaced within
the last twenty years or so.

The deaths due to vaccines and vaccine damage statistics is not even
recorded in India. They could be in lakhs and millions. Almost all
children in India now suffer from ADHD and also various autoimmune
disorders unheard of even a decade back. We all know what is causing
this.


You might as well write your government requesting that they deport anyone
with a real medical degree, and only allow homeopathic doctors. That should
do really "good" things for the HIV/AIDS epidemic the
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1896372.cms

We will be very happy if the allopaths are driven out from India and
our entire medical system is handed over to ayurveds and homeopaths. We
have already suggested this to our government. The allopaths too are
sensing the mood and queing up for their holistic therapy degrees. By
the next decade we hope to see an allopathy free India.

Indians are aware by now about the many origins of AIDS and also the
foolishness to equate HIV with AIDS. Already the government has
cautioned that HIV patients should not be declared AIDS patients. They
have also said that no HIV test is really foolproof.

Jagannath.

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HCN wrote:
Like the vaccines cause less damage then the actual disease in your
country.
Try talking to the over 60 victims of polio, the over 5000 who had
diptheria, and the over 30 thousand who had measles in India last year...
ask them if they would rather had a vaccine instead:
http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C='ind'

The 60 cases of polio you report have been probed by journalists.
Nearly all these children have been immunised prior to their being
struck by polio.

Documentation?

It is widely known in India that the governments
persistence with the Oral Polio Vaccine that employs a live virus which
is causing the problem. There are cases of children of entire villages
who have "polio like" symptoms after having received the drops.

Documentation?


5000 diptheria cases is not even a dot if you consider the population
of India. Properly treated Indian children survive diptheria as they
have over the centuries.

Documentation?

Measles is a fully curable illness unless mismanaged. Getting the
measles is the best form of immunisation against further attack. We all
know how vaccines "fail".

How do you compare your above statistics with 1.74 MILLION autistic
children in India? Autism was unknown to India and has surfaced within
the last twenty years or so.

The deaths due to vaccines and vaccine damage statistics is not even
recorded in India. They could be in lakhs and millions. Almost all
children in India now suffer from ADHD and also various autoimmune
disorders unheard of even a decade back. We all know what is causing
this.


You might as well write your government requesting that they deport
anyone
with a real medical degree, and only allow homeopathic doctors. That
should
do really "good" things for the HIV/AIDS epidemic the
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1896372.cms

We will be very happy if the allopaths are driven out from India and
our entire medical system is handed over to ayurveds and homeopaths. We
have already suggested this to our government. The allopaths too are
sensing the mood and queing up for their holistic therapy degrees. By
the next decade we hope to see an allopathy free India.

Indians are aware by now about the many origins of AIDS and also the
foolishness to equate HIV with AIDS. Already the government has
cautioned that HIV patients should not be declared AIDS patients. They
have also said that no HIV test is really foolproof.

Jagannath.


So where is it documented that homeopathy is effective against AIDS? Is it
has "successful" as it was against syphillis?

HCN wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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HCN wrote:
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HCN wrote:
This is an OPINION piece written by someone who is often paid for by
ambulance chasing lawyers. If you look she is the author of most of
these
"articles"
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com...rugs%2FMedical
...
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She is not writing any oipinion here but quoting reports and people she
has interviewed.

Jagannath.

If she did that, she would have posted the truth. Which was noted in:
http://newton.nap.edu/catalog/10997.html

Happy reading.
The description of the book:

"This eighth and final report of the Immunization Safety Review Committee
examines the hypothesis that vaccines, specifically the
measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and thimerosal-containing vaccines,
are causally associated with autism. The committee reviewed the extant
published and unpublished epidemiological studies regarding causality and
studies of potential biologic mechanisms by which these immunizations
might cause autism. Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism finds
that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal
relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. The book
further finds that potential biological mechanisms for vaccine-induced
autism that have been generated to date are only theoretical. It
recommends a public health response that fully supports an array of
vaccine safety activities and recommends that available funding for autism
research be channeled to the most promising areas. The book makes
additional recommendations regarding surveillance and epidemiological
research, clinical studies, and communication related to these vaccine
safety concerns. "

Which is precisely correct.

Geez... you made it too easy for him. I wanted him to do some reading!

I did not think he would read it and post anything intelligent about it.

It surely kicks the crap out of the anti-vac liars claims.

HCN wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Mark Probert wrote:
...
The description of the book:

"This eighth and final report of the Immunization Safety Review Committee
examines the hypothesis that vaccines, specifically the
measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and thimerosal-containing vaccines,
are causally associated with autism. The committee reviewed the extant
published and unpublished epidemiological studies regarding causality and
studies of potential biologic mechanisms by which these immunizations
might cause autism. Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism finds
that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal
relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. The book
further finds that potential biological mechanisms for vaccine-induced
autism that have been generated to date are only theoretical. It
recommends a public health response that fully supports an array of
vaccine safety activities and recommends that available funding for
autism research be channeled to the most promising areas. The book makes
additional recommendations regarding surveillance and epidemiological
research, clinical studies, and communication related to these vaccine
safety concerns. "

Which is precisely correct.
I should also point out that I have never said that those parents of
children who have autism should just have their children die.

Further, as a special education advocate, I have helped families with
autistic children to secure all the services and support that is available
to them.

As for accepting their fate, yes, **** happens and sometimes a child is
not perfect. Get on with being the best parent you can be.



Exactly... The blame game should be stopped. It takes away from real
research and educational resources (such as the early intervention
speech/language therapy two of my kids had to have).

Not only that, kids KNOW that their parents feel that they are
broken/defective. It is a message that we parents have got to avoid making.

Also, some of us have kids who have neurological damage from the actual
diseases. From HiB, to rotavirus to even measles. If anyone thinks that
getting rid of vaccines would lesson the number of disabled kids --- they
are sorely mistaken. All they have to do is look back in history, like for
instance the epidemic of just one disease (rubella) in the early 1960s:
http://www.sense.org.uk/publications...berRubella.htm

This epidemic is one of the reasons for this book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0930323114/ (_Deaf Like Me_)

"HCN" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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HCN wrote:
This is an OPINION piece written by someone who is often paid for by
ambulance chasing lawyers. If you look she is the author of most of
these
"articles"
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com...rugs%2FMedical
...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

She is not writing any oipinion here but quoting reports and people she
has interviewed.

Jagannath.


If she did that, she would have posted the truth. Which was noted in:
snip spam

Happy reading.

HCN wrote:
So where is it documented that homeopathy is effective against AIDS? Is it
has "successful" as it was against syphillis?


Based on the personalities of the anti-vax group, I think its pretty
obvious just how well it works for syphilis ;-)

Bryan

"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
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HCN wrote:
So where is it documented that homeopathy is effective against AIDS? Is
it has "successful" as it was against syphillis?


Based on the personalities of the anti-vax group, I think its pretty
obvious just how well it works for syphilis ;-)

Bryan

Basically it is from the Organon:
http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference/organon/51.html which spells out
what some "miasms" are... here is a quote:
"Before commencing the treatment of a chronic disease, it is necessary to
make the most careful investigation1 as to whether the patient has had a
venereal infection (or an infection with condylomatous gonorrhoea); for then
the treatment must be directed towards this alone, when only the signs of
syphilis (or of the rarer condylomatous disease) are present, but this
disease is very seldom met with alone nowadays. If such infection have
previously occurred, this must also be borne in mind in the treatment of
those cases in which psora is present, because in them the latter is
complicated with the former, as is always the case when the symptoms are not
those of pure syphilis; for when the physician thinks he has a case of old
venereal disease before him, he has always, or almost always, to treat a
syphilitic affection accompanied mostly by (complicated with) psora, for the
internal itch dyscrasia (the psora) is far the most frequent (most certain)
fundamental cause of chronic diseases, either united (complicated) with
syphilis (or with sycosis), if the latter infections have avowedly occurred;
or, as is much more frequently the case, psora is the sole fundamental cause
of all other chronic maladies, whatever names they may bear, which are,
moreover, so often bungled, increased and disfigured to a monstrous extent
by allopathic unskillfulness."

So Hahnemann had guessed that there were "miasms" that caused the diseases.
Some of the more prevelent and nasty diseases were things like gonorrhoea
and syphillis (there is also "psora", which pretty much pertains to anything
that causes a rash). When you try to discuss the histrorical context of
these "miasms" (which we now know were caused by bacteria, and pretty much
can be cleared up with antibiotics... or preventive measures like vaccines
for rashed caused by the measles or smallpox viruses... or in the case of
"internal itch", vaginal yeast infections), and try to ask which is a better
treatment for syphillis (or gonorrhoea or even a vaginal yeast infection)...
those who are believers in homeopathy try to play word games claiming that
the "syphillis miasm" has nothing to do with the actual disease.

Yeah, right.

HCN wrote:
Documentation?
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Eh, so you need statistics? I don't need to give them because I am not
trying to prove and establish a lie.

You do not even reveal your name! What is HCN? First please reveal your
real identity along with "documentation". Are you one of those
(p)harmaceutical b(l)oggers?

Jagannath.

wrote:
HCN wrote:
Documentation?
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Eh, so you need statistics? I don't need to give them because I am not
trying to prove and establish a lie.

You're being asked for evidence to back up your assertions, not
statistics. Your reluctance to provide it suggests that you are in fact
"trying to prove and establish a lie."


You do not even reveal your name! What is HCN? First please reveal your
real identity along with "documentation". Are you one of those
(p)harmaceutical b(l)oggers?

Jagannath.

Bryan Heit wrote:
HCN wrote:
So where is it documented that homeopathy is effective against AIDS?
Is it has "successful" as it was against syphillis?


Based on the personalities of the anti-vax group, I think its pretty
obvious just how well it works for syphilis ;-)

This may be obscure for some...so be it...

Asked of Idi Amin....

Where is Dora Bloch....

Idi: Burp!