Oregon: Tobacco Tax Measure

Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article .com,
The poster last in PDX in 2003
wrote:

Raise the tax and they'll smoke cheaper stuff that smells worse and
kills faster. Maybe not even tobacco!

Where's your data to support that claim?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHZAHAA!!!!!

"-s-" wrote in message
...
..

It's fair as long as only smokers allowed to vote.
If they allow non-smokers to vote on this, it will become mob rule
(aka. "democracy).
It would be unacceptable to allow people who have more children than they
can take care of to vote, and force smokers to pay for their failure.
I smoke, I pay for my healthcare, I even pay thousands of dollars each
year
to fund our failing school system, etc. If you ask me to pay even more
so people who are too lazy to pay for their expensive hobbies (children)
I'm going to have to say no. I'll just buy my cigarettes from other
sources.

I don't smoke (hardly ever, anyway) or have kids. So I kinda get how you
feel here. Word to the wise, though. That "other sources" thing -- it's
harder than it looks (which is why you're not Already Doing It) and it could
land you a big fine.

Or you could stop buying cigarettes. That's the neat thing about this kind
of tax -- it's totally voluntary. I feel like saying "Thanks!" to people I
see buying smokes in 7-11. They're steppin' up, you know? Funding stuff.
Good for them. I hope it gives them a warm fuzzy feeling inside, to go with
the tumors and congestive heart failure.

Curt

On Sep 12, 4:31 pm, HWOS wrote:
On Sep 12, 12:29 pm, MEG wrote:



On Sep 10, 4:08 am, HWOS wrote:

On Sep 9, 10:29 pm, JSM wrote: stupidity On Sep 7, 1:09 pm, -s- wrote:

Sure MEG and coffee too....

A bunch of studys proves nothing !

Ham, bacon and egg, poison lettuce, spinach,
all have been studied it's just a tax cover for the studier.
Still this group of folks have no interest in studies.
Bad cars have been studied too. Now we're going
study you, to see how your asshole and brains have
traded places.

Just smoking tobacco ~

When you have been defeated in the verbal battle, attack the author.

Your ignorance MEG is a proven tangible.
The more you you show us your stupidity...
Well let's just say , they can see who's the jackass...
If the need proof they can follow the spit trail.

Kill anybody with coffee today?
See anybody die from coffee today?
Howz about some perfume?

Pahauuktouui...
A Lil copenhagen for ya!

Yer filters not gonna work either.
Face it yer an asshole.
HWOS

Gee, spoken like a true addict with his source threatened.

On Sep 14, 1:05 am, The poster last in PDX in 2003
wrote:
On Sep 13, 9:39 pm, Paul Berg wrote:

~

A tobacco company agreed to make it clearer, as federal rules require,
that it is paying for commercials opposing an increase in Oregon's
cigarette tax. The tag line on the commercials opposing Measure 50
originally read, "Paid for by Oregonians Against the Blank Check and
Reynolds American Inc." Revised commercials that started airing
Tuesday say they were paid for by Reynolds American and authorized by
Oregonians Against the Blank Check.

~

Raise the tax and they'll smoke cheaper stuff that smells worse and
kills faster. Maybe not even tobacco!

The burden to the US by the tobacco company is over 50 billion dollars
a year in medical expenses. If they smoke something worse and it
kills them, it will save us money.

On Oct 12, 3:40 pm, MUG wrote:

If they smoke something worse and it
kills them, it will save us money.

And that's the American way, MUG, save that money and put it toward
your credit card debt, your 2nd or 3rd gas guzzler, your Oakley
shades, your designer rags, your new tenny skirt, etc., etc., ad
infinitum, ad nauseum. Where did this angry one come from? Did
someone spray the woodwork again?
Sounds a litte soccer mommish to me.

Speaking of "saving", let me fire up this special beauty I've been
saving.

The BIG N

MEG wrote:
On Sep 14, 1:05 am, The poster last in PDX in 2003
wrote:
On Sep 13, 9:39 pm, Paul Berg wrote:

~

A tobacco company agreed to make it clearer, as federal rules require,
that it is paying for commercials opposing an increase in Oregon's
cigarette tax. The tag line on the commercials opposing Measure 50
originally read, "Paid for by Oregonians Against the Blank Check and
Reynolds American Inc." Revised commercials that started airing
Tuesday say they were paid for by Reynolds American and authorized by
Oregonians Against the Blank Check.

~

Raise the tax and they'll smoke cheaper stuff that smells worse and
kills faster. Maybe not even tobacco!

The burden to the US by the tobacco company is over 50 billion dollars
a year in medical expenses. If they smoke something worse and it
kills them, it will save us money.


Bussa Meg returns after a 2 month sabaticle, to pick
her asshole ~ and then type her **** stinking message at her laptop..
with her **** stinking fingers:... to post 3 lines of wit.
So
Returning with her 6th mouthfull of horse****
and down 60 dollars to Betten Mann
she still can't prove tobacco is narcotics.

& Determined now to square off with HWOS

Lil Queen he'll spit right in your face and down your
throat, beat your ass.... and get your goat.
Post your **** & lies,, till you cry out your eyes.
you'll get old before your Wise......

Fung Ghu
Bess Tu
Ficken Zee
All the same you see.

Here's the DOPE

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_
re_eu/netherlands_magic_mushrooms



Dutch ban famed hallucinatory mushrooms
By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press WriterFri Oct 12, 6:21 AM ET
The Dutch government said Friday that it will ban the sale of
hallucinatory
mushrooms, rolling back one element of the country's permissive drug
policy after a series of high-profile negative incidents.
The decision will go into effect within several months and doesn't
need
parliamentary approval, Justice Ministry spokesman Wim van der Weegen
said.
"We intend to forbid the sale of 'magic' mushrooms," he said.
"That means shops caught doing so will be closed."
Under the country's famed tolerance policy, marijuana and hashish are
technically illegal but police don't bother to prosecute people for
possession
of small amounts, and they are sold openly in designated cafes.
Possession of "hard" drugs like cocaine and Ecstasy is illegal.
Psilocybin, the main active chemical in the mushrooms, has been
illegal under
international law since 1971. However, mushrooms that are fresh and
unprocessed in any way have continued to be sold legally in the
Netherlands,
on the theory that it was impossible to determine how much of the
naturally
occurring substance any given mushroom contains.
Mushrooms will fall somewhere in the middle of the Dutch legality
scale.
"We're not talking about a non-prosecution policy, but we'll be
targeting
sellers," Van der Weegen said.
Van der Weegen said that, in the end, that was also the reason the
policy
proved unworkable.
"The problem with mushrooms is that their effect is unpredictable.
It's impossible to estimate what amount will have what effect."
Calls for a re-evaluation arose after a French 17-year-old, Gaelle
Caroff,
jumped from a building after eating psychedelic mushrooms while on a
school
visit to Amsterdam.
Caroff's parents blamed her death on hallucinations brought on by the
mushrooms, though the teenager had suffered from psychiatric problems
in the past.
Her photographs was splashed across newspapers around the country.
Since Caroff's death, other dramatic stories involving mushrooms have
been
reported in the Dutch press, though mushroom vendors complained that
each
of the cases involved tourists who were using other drugs and alcohol
at the
same time - against their usage instructions for mushrooms.
The users include:
* A British tourist, 22, who ran amok in a hotel, breaking his window
and slicing his hand badly.
* An Icelandic tourist, 19, who thought he was being chased and jumped
from a balcony, breaking both his legs.
* A Danish tourist, 29, who drove his car wildly through a
campground,
narrowly missing people sleeping in their tents.
Amsterdam mayor Job Cohen had suggested a 3-day "cooling off" period
between ordering them and using them. Most mushrooms sold in
Amsterdam are sold to tourists, and the city's reputation for liberal
drug
policies and legalized prostitution are major tourist attractions.


Come back no more you little Whore.
I know it's a drain, but go grow a brain.

On Oct 12, 3:40 pm, MEG wrote:
On Sep 14, 1:05 am, The poster last in PDX in 2003





wrote:
On Sep 13, 9:39 pm, Paul Berg wrote:

~

A tobacco company agreed to make it clearer, as federal rules require,
that it is paying for commercials opposing an increase in Oregon's
cigarette tax. The tag line on the commercials opposing Measure 50
originally read, "Paid for by Oregonians Against the Blank Check and
Reynolds American Inc." Revised commercials that started airing
Tuesday say they were paid for by Reynolds American and authorized by
Oregonians Against the Blank Check.

~

Raise the tax and they'll smoke cheaper stuff that smells worse and
kills faster. Maybe not even tobacco!

The burden to the US by the tobacco company is over 50 billion dollars
a year in medical expenses. If they smoke something worse and it
kills them, it will save us money





I' ve checked none of my sources feel threatened.
You're fulla **** get exlax...

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aboard and buy from online sources.

See how well your tax increase does then OK.



You still get the 50 million dollar costs. just no money.
Make better plans.


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Other than Malheur county, ain't one of them near Oregon.

Since this is an Oregon based group you are posting into and are
receiveing a reply from, might you post something relevant to the
actual topic, something called Oregon: Tobacco Tax Measure.

Malheur county smokers can go to Idaho easily, Fruitland, Payette,
Caldwell, Nampa, Boise etc in Payette, Washington, Canyon and Ada
counties.

I would wonder what the Washington state-Oregon border situation is
like, at Hermiston to Walla Walla, Portland-Vancouver and I doubt
going to Yreka, California helps Jackson County smokers much but my
never having smoked has nothing to do with stuff, I want that made
clear. The worst smoke I ever encountered was at a REGIONAL AA MEETING
with a potluck I was invited to...the former Masonic Lodge in Nampa,
Idaho simply DID NOT VENTILATE WELL and the kids hung out outside. I
have performed karaoke in bars for well over 15 years, and I figured
Sinatra did smoky rooms for longer than that.

Rather than arguing here, I'll vote and you will vote also if you live
here. If you don't, thank you for your opinion. I wish you well.