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Dear Observer and Dancing Screaching Monkey Boy, was... No-spank's last stand
.......we anti spankers are so on our "last stand" that the state of
Pennsylvania is just days away from announcing it is the 29th state to ban paddling in schools. Let us know when a state reinstates paddling that has banned it, will you, and I'll toast you for having been right all along about our "last stand" status. R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R Observer, yah kill me, yah really do. 0:- Carlson LaVonne wrote: Opinions wrote: Every no-spank is his or her own propaganda minister. Even children frequently realize that no-spanks have a few loose roof shingles flapping in the wind. Really? Of course you have evidence to back up this statement. Or is this just another opinion from "Opinions" that is written as fact? LaVonne Doan wrote: They are hoping that with repeated LIES, some fools will believe them. Doan On 16 Nov 2005, Opinions wrote: Why do no-spanks keep yammering about paddling in schools? Because they have lost the battle in the homes. They know it. Well, most of 'em do anyway. There are still one or two *George W. Bush* types around thinking that if they can launch still more assaults then they can prove that their version of a failed invasion is not a quagmire. Even *abused* children are tired of being *liberated* by decitful self-appointed saviors with an overly ambitious agenda that overlooks their needs. |
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Dear Observer and Dancing Screaching Monkey Boy, was... No-spank's last stand
Yes, that's it, boys, our "last stand" we anti spanking folks.
http://www.stophitting.com/disatscho...avoringBan.php [[[ Notice the dates, then notice what is happening in the US, Delaware being the last state, and no Pennsylvania to follow shortly. "Last Stand," R R R R R R R R ...SURE BOYS. ]]] EDITORIALS CALLING FOR AN END TO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT Listed below are several other of the many newspaper editorials around the country that have called for a complete end to school corporal punishment. National Newspapers: USA Today: Let's spare the rod to protect children. 8/23/1989. USA Today: Don't let schools spank our kids. 8/22/1990, p. 8A. USA Today: Violence begets violence. 3/14/1994, p.12A Alabama: Huntsville Times: Stop school beatings: Paddling is archaic and ineffective, and local schools that use it should stop. 12/19/00 Connecticut: Hartford Courant: When will child beating stop? 8/27/1988, p. B-8. Florida: Inverness Chronicle: Abandon barbaric practice of paddling. 7/21/1988. Inverness Chronicle: Schools should ban paddling. 7/9/1989. Inverness Chronicle: Teachers have no business paddling.8/21/1989. Stuart News: End corporal punishment. 7/13/1988. Georgia: Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Lawmakers Should End School Paddlings. 10/14/1989. Marietta Journal: Stop spanking our schoolchildren. 7/16/1988 Indiana: Fort Wayne Journal Gazette: Spare the child. 11/7/1988. Fort Wayne Journal-Gazette: Paddling -- no substitute for discipline. 8/22/1994. Kentucky: Jackson Times: Is physical punishment proper in the schools? 7/2/1987. Minnesota: Minneapolis Star Tribune: Spare the rod in public schools. 4/8/1989. St. Croix Valley Press: No Spanking. 4/5/1989. St. Paul Pioneer Press Dispatch: Schools should spare the rod, serve child. 4/6/1989. Missouri: St. Louis Post-Dispatch: Students are not for hitting. 10/4/1989. Ohio: Akron Beacon Journal: Respect for students. 8/28/1987, p. A6. Akron Beacon Journal: Paddling in school. 5/17/1988, p. A6. Celina Daily Standard: Toward a Paddling Ban. 6/2/1988. Chillicothe Gazette: It's time to spare the rod in schools. March, 1988. Cleveland Plain Dealer: Making teachers behave. 1/30/1989. Cincinnati Enquirer: Paddling: The time has come to discard this punishment in our schools. 3/23/1987, p. A-8. Cincinnati Post: Good riddance to paddling. 5/11/1988. Middletown Journal: Paddling is a badge of shame for Ohio. 6/4/1988. Newark Advocate: Corporal punishment becomes school option. 2/5/1985, p.4. Oklahoma: Tulsa World: Paddle Not. 11/20/1989, p. A-14. Pennsylvania: Pittsburg Post-Gazette: 'Spare the rod' revisited. 9/10/2001. Tennessee: Nashville Tennessean: Is paddling effective or just convenient? 3/3/1997, p.12A. Texas: Dallas Morning News: Corporal punishment: Dallas schools can find better alternatives. 1/3/2000. Houston Post: An end to paddling? 3/15/1989, p.A-22. San Antonio Light: Corporal punishment should be abolished. 2/27/1989. West Virginia: Charelston Gazette: Not hitting. 10/18/1988. Wheeling Intelligencer: Paddling Must Be Banned. 2/21/1987. Washington, D.C.: Washington Post: Child Abuse at Home and in School. 3/25/1988, p. A-24. Hell, you dufi, we are just barely getting started on your sorry asses. Watch what comes next. Where the states stand on corporal punishment: Alabama--Legal Alaska--Illegal Arizona--Legal Arkansas--Legal California--Illegal Colorado--Legal Connecticut--Illegal Delaware--Illegal [[[ Jan 1 this year ]]] District of Columbia--N/A Florida--Legal Georgia--Legal Hawaii--Illegal Idaho--Legal Illinois--Illegal Indiana--Legal Iowa--Illegal Kansas--Legal Kentucky--Legal Louisiana--Legal Maine--Illegal Maryland--Illegal Massachusetts--Illegal Michigan--Illegal Minnesota--Illegal Mississippi--Legal Missouri--Legal Montana--Illegal Nebraska--Illegal Nevada--Illegal New Hampshire--Illegal New Jersey--Illegal New Mexico--Legal New York--Illegal North Carolina--Legal North Dakota--Illegal Ohio--Legal Oklahoma--Legal Oregon--Illegal Pennsylvania--Legal [[[ About to change ]]] Rhode Island--Restricted* South Carolina--Legal South Dakota--Illegal Tennessee--Legal Texas--Legal Utah--Illegal Vermont--Illegal Virginia--Illegal Washington--Illegal West Virginia--Illegal Wisconsin--Illegal Wyoming--Legal * banned by every school board in the state |
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No-spank's last stand
It sounds like the anti-spanking zealotS don't like it when their LIES are being pointed out. :-) Where are those studies again, LaVonne? Doan On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote: Opinions wrote: Every no-spank is his or her own propaganda minister. Even children frequently realize that no-spanks have a few loose roof shingles flapping in the wind. Really? Of course you have evidence to back up this statement. Or is this just another opinion from "Opinions" that is written as fact? LaVonne Doan wrote: They are hoping that with repeated LIES, some fools will believe them. Doan On 16 Nov 2005, Opinions wrote: Why do no-spanks keep yammering about paddling in schools? Because they have lost the battle in the homes. They know it. Well, most of 'em do anyway. There are still one or two *George W. Bush* types around thinking that if they can launch still more assaults then they can prove that their version of a failed invasion is not a quagmire. Even *abused* children are tired of being *liberated* by decitful self-appointed saviors with an overly ambitious agenda that overlooks their needs. |
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No-spank's last stand
Studies are often a copout. Studies are what bureaucrats and
politicians order when they don't have any answers and the need to stall for more time. To a naïve public, they sound like something is being done when, in fact, the typical study usually turns up very little definitive information. In behavioral sciences, research is the intellectual equivalent of treading water instead of swimming. They are good for keeping an agenda or an academic career from sinking. Frequently the results are inconclusive. Single causalities are all but impossible to ascertain. Doan wrote: It sounds like the anti-spanking zealotS don't like it when their LIES are being pointed out. :-) Where are those studies again, LaVonne? Doan |
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No-spank's last stand
Opinions,
It sounds like you reject research. Does that mean your opinions are based on nothing but your personal opinion? If so, you have chosen a good screen name. In behavioral sciences, as in all sciences, research is held to a very high standard before the research is published in a peer-reviewed research journal. The literature review must be accurate, the methodology must be sound, the statistical analysis must also be accurate based on the research design, and the discussion and conclusion sections must be accurate, based on the research study. Do you get it, or do you prefer to regard uninformed opinions as a fact? By the way, causalities are different from correlations, but correlations are not irrelevant. A simple course in research design and statistics could help .. LaVonne Opinions wrote: Studies are often a copout. Studies are what bureaucrats and politicians order when they don't have any answers and the need to stall for more time. To a naïve public, they sound like something is being done when, in fact, the typical study usually turns up very little definitive information. In behavioral sciences, research is the intellectual equivalent of treading water instead of swimming. They are good for keeping an agenda or an academic career from sinking. Frequently the results are inconclusive. Single causalities are all but impossible to ascertain. Doan wrote: It sounds like the anti-spanking zealotS don't like it when their LIES are being pointed out. :-) Where are those studies again, LaVonne? Doan |
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Please Tell Me Pop is not a Foster Parent! was NEANDERTHAL OR
This is for the foster parent ng. I'm writing from alt.parenting.spanking.
Please tell me that Pop isn't a foster parent. I fear for any children that may bge in his care. Pop wrote: GO AWAY. KEEP YOUR BUTT OUT OF THE FOSTER CARE ROOM UNTIL YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING USEFUL TO THE GROUP. YOU'RE A PILLAGER AND NEED TO BE PILLAGED YOURSELF. wrote in message oups.com... : : Opinions wrote: desperately..... : : Why do no-spanks keep yammering about paddling in schools? : : Bother you to see the data, does it? 0:- : : Because : they have lost the battle in the homes. : : Odd, we are starting to see more places in the US where bans on : spanking ... anywhere, home or school...are being seriously considered. : And over the years fewer and fewer polled adults support the practice. : Used to be 90% and more, now it's around 65%. I suspect where the truth : known, if they didn't expect heat from relatives (who are still sick : compulsives and apologists) more would speak out against spanking. : : You know it and it's got you on the run. Poor sad pitiful losers. R R R : R R : : They know it. Well, most of : 'em do anyway. : : What we know is the trend. Just as it took time for slavery to be : brought to an end as an institution in the United States, so too it : will take time for child CP to come to an end. The time is not the : critical issue, the end is. : : The trend is moving inexhorably to and end to spanking as an : institutionalized practice. Live with it. : : There are still one or two *George W. Bush* types around thinking that : if they can launch still more assaults then they can prove that their : version of a failed invasion is not a quagmire. : : You are aware that Barbara made it plain she spanked her boys, right? : : Even *abused* children : are tired of being *liberated* by decitful self-appointed saviors with : an overly ambitious agenda that overlooks their needs. : : Actually an abused child, once they come to understand they did not : deserve to be treated as they were are quite happy to have been : liberated. : : Your hyperbole quotient is going up, I see. : : "*liberated*" "decitful" [sic] "self-appointed saviors" "overly : ambitious" folks like us are overlooking which "needs" of children, : Opinion? : : The need to be hit by their ONLY protectors.....until the state catches : on and steps in? : : The law is coming. And you are ****tin' yourself over it and can't : figure out what to do about it, other than rant, while we do real work : to make it happen. Try cruising the internet for anti-spanking : information sites and see what you find. Including religious ones, : friend. : : http://www.webmd.com/content/Article...000_1000_tn_02 : : There is already massive amounts of similar data historically, and : there's more coming, though we certainly don't need it for a moral : attack on hitting children. Imagine, hitting a child, a tiny little : child you are charged to protect. Tsk. : : Bullies. That's all you are. Weak minded, self deluded bullies. And : people are figuring this out and opting OUT of being one of you. Every : day. More and more. And we enjoy lowering crime rates, better academic : outcomes, and more responsible citizens. The payoff feels good too, so : they tell me. : : How you going to stop us, Opie? Share your plan. Eh? : : R R R R R R RR .... : : 0:- : |
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NEANDERTHAL OR CRETIN ? YOU DECIDE No-spank's last stand
IT'S AN EASY DECISION TO MAKE. UNLESS YOU'RE A KANER THAT IS.
GO AWAY, LEAVE THIS GROUP TO ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... : This is for the foster parent ng. I'm writing from alt.parenting.spanking. : : Please tell me that Pop isn't a foster parent. I fear for any children : that may bge in his care. : : Pop wrote: : : GO AWAY. KEEP YOUR BUTT OUT OF THE FOSTER CARE ROOM UNTIL YOU : CAN CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING USEFUL TO THE GROUP. YOU'RE A PILLAGER : AND NEED TO BE PILLAGED YOURSELF. : : wrote in message : oups.com... : : : : Opinions wrote: desperately..... : : : : Why do no-spanks keep yammering about paddling in schools? : : : : Bother you to see the data, does it? 0:- : : : : Because : : they have lost the battle in the homes. : : : : Odd, we are starting to see more places in the US where bans on : : spanking ... anywhere, home or school...are being seriously : considered. : : And over the years fewer and fewer polled adults support the : practice. : : Used to be 90% and more, now it's around 65%. I suspect where : the truth : : known, if they didn't expect heat from relatives (who are still : sick : : compulsives and apologists) more would speak out against : spanking. : : : : You know it and it's got you on the run. Poor sad pitiful : losers. R R R : : R R : : : : They know it. Well, most of : : 'em do anyway. : : : : What we know is the trend. Just as it took time for slavery to : be : : brought to an end as an institution in the United States, so : too it : : will take time for child CP to come to an end. The time is not : the : : critical issue, the end is. : : : : The trend is moving inexhorably to and end to spanking as an : : institutionalized practice. Live with it. : : : : There are still one or two *George W. Bush* types around : thinking that : : if they can launch still more assaults then they can prove : that their : : version of a failed invasion is not a quagmire. : : : : You are aware that Barbara made it plain she spanked her boys, : right? : : : : Even *abused* children : : are tired of being *liberated* by decitful self-appointed : saviors with : : an overly ambitious agenda that overlooks their needs. : : : : Actually an abused child, once they come to understand they did : not : : deserve to be treated as they were are quite happy to have been : : liberated. : : : : Your hyperbole quotient is going up, I see. : : : : "*liberated*" "decitful" [sic] "self-appointed saviors" : "overly : : ambitious" folks like us are overlooking which "needs" of : children, : : Opinion? : : : : The need to be hit by their ONLY protectors.....until the state : catches : : on and steps in? : : : : The law is coming. And you are ****tin' yourself over it and : can't : : figure out what to do about it, other than rant, while we do : real work : : to make it happen. Try cruising the internet for anti-spanking : : information sites and see what you find. Including religious : ones, : : friend. : : : : : http://www.webmd.com/content/Article...000_1000_tn_02 : : : : There is already massive amounts of similar data historically, : and : : there's more coming, though we certainly don't need it for a : moral : : attack on hitting children. Imagine, hitting a child, a tiny : little : : child you are charged to protect. Tsk. : : : : Bullies. That's all you are. Weak minded, self deluded bullies. : And : : people are figuring this out and opting OUT of being one of : you. Every : : day. More and more. And we enjoy lowering crime rates, better : academic : : outcomes, and more responsible citizens. The payoff feels good : too, so : : they tell me. : : : : How you going to stop us, Opie? Share your plan. Eh? : : : : R R R R R R RR .... : : : : 0:- : : : : : |
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NEANDERTHAL OR CRETIN ? YOU DECIDE No-spank's last stand
And which group would that be, Pop? I'm not cross-posting. I'm simply
responding to a post that may also be cross-posted. I don't post on alt.support.forster-parents. I post on alt.parenting.spanking. However, I also do not delete cross-posts when I respond, because I assume there is a reason the original post was cross-posted. Not exactly rocket science. If I've offended others on alt.support.foster-parents, I apologize. However, out of respect I do not remove other individuals cross-posts when I respond to a poster on alt.parenting.spanking. Perhaps others on the alt.suupport.foster-parents ng would care to respond with their opinions regarding others' cross-posting. LaVonne Pop wrote: IT'S AN EASY DECISION TO MAKE. UNLESS YOU'RE A KANER THAT IS. GO AWAY, LEAVE THIS GROUP TO ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... : This is for the foster parent ng. I'm writing from alt.parenting.spanking. : : Please tell me that Pop isn't a foster parent. I fear for any children : that may bge in his care. : : Pop wrote: : : GO AWAY. KEEP YOUR BUTT OUT OF THE FOSTER CARE ROOM UNTIL YOU : CAN CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING USEFUL TO THE GROUP. YOU'RE A PILLAGER : AND NEED TO BE PILLAGED YOURSELF. : : wrote in message : oups.com... : : : : Opinions wrote: desperately..... : : : : Why do no-spanks keep yammering about paddling in schools? : : : : Bother you to see the data, does it? 0:- : : : : Because : : they have lost the battle in the homes. : : : : Odd, we are starting to see more places in the US where bans on : : spanking ... anywhere, home or school...are being seriously : considered. : : And over the years fewer and fewer polled adults support the : practice. : : Used to be 90% and more, now it's around 65%. I suspect where : the truth : : known, if they didn't expect heat from relatives (who are still : sick : : compulsives and apologists) more would speak out against : spanking. : : : : You know it and it's got you on the run. Poor sad pitiful : losers. R R R : : R R : : : : They know it. Well, most of : : 'em do anyway. : : : : What we know is the trend. Just as it took time for slavery to : be : : brought to an end as an institution in the United States, so : too it : : will take time for child CP to come to an end. The time is not : the : : critical issue, the end is. : : : : The trend is moving inexhorably to and end to spanking as an : : institutionalized practice. Live with it. : : : : There are still one or two *George W. Bush* types around : thinking that : : if they can launch still more assaults then they can prove : that their : : version of a failed invasion is not a quagmire. : : : : You are aware that Barbara made it plain she spanked her boys, : right? : : : : Even *abused* children : : are tired of being *liberated* by decitful self-appointed : saviors with : : an overly ambitious agenda that overlooks their needs. : : : : Actually an abused child, once they come to understand they did : not : : deserve to be treated as they were are quite happy to have been : : liberated. : : : : Your hyperbole quotient is going up, I see. : : : : "*liberated*" "decitful" [sic] "self-appointed saviors" : "overly : : ambitious" folks like us are overlooking which "needs" of : children, : : Opinion? : : : : The need to be hit by their ONLY protectors.....until the state : catches : : on and steps in? : : : : The law is coming. And you are ****tin' yourself over it and : can't : : figure out what to do about it, other than rant, while we do : real work : : to make it happen. Try cruising the internet for anti-spanking : : information sites and see what you find. Including religious : ones, : : friend. : : : : : http://www.webmd.com/content/Article...000_1000_tn_02 : : : : There is already massive amounts of similar data historically, : and : : there's more coming, though we certainly don't need it for a : moral : : attack on hitting children. Imagine, hitting a child, a tiny : little : : child you are charged to protect. Tsk. : : : : Bullies. That's all you are. Weak minded, self deluded bullies. : And : : people are figuring this out and opting OUT of being one of : you. Every : : day. More and more. And we enjoy lowering crime rates, better : academic : : outcomes, and more responsible citizens. The payoff feels good : too, so : : they tell me. : : : : How you going to stop us, Opie? Share your plan. Eh? : : : : R R R R R R RR .... : : : : 0:- : : : : : |
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A DINOSAUR RESPONDS NEANDERTHAL OR CRETIN ? YOU DECIDE No-spank's last stand
NOTHING LIKE ASKING QUESTIONS YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO, IS
THERE? YOU'RE ONE OF THE WORST OFFENDERS FOR PILLAGING AND RAPING THIS FC GROUP BECAUSE YOU DON'T CARE WHERE YOUR CRAP DROPS. "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... : And which group would that be, Pop? I'm not cross-posting. I'm simply : responding to a post that may also be cross-posted. I don't post on : alt.support.forster-parents. I post on alt.parenting.spanking. : However, I also do not delete cross-posts when I respond, because I : assume there is a reason the original post was cross-posted. : : Not exactly rocket science. If I've offended others on : alt.support.foster-parents, I apologize. However, out of respect I do : not remove other individuals cross-posts when I respond to a poster on : alt.parenting.spanking. : : Perhaps others on the alt.suupport.foster-parents ng would care to : respond with their opinions regarding others' cross-posting. : : LaVonne : : Pop wrote: : IT'S AN EASY DECISION TO MAKE. UNLESS YOU'RE A KANER THAT IS. : : GO AWAY, LEAVE THIS GROUP TO ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. : : "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message : ... : : This is for the foster parent ng. I'm writing from : alt.parenting.spanking. : : : : Please tell me that Pop isn't a foster parent. I fear for any : children : : that may bge in his care. : : : : Pop wrote: : : : : GO AWAY. KEEP YOUR BUTT OUT OF THE FOSTER CARE ROOM UNTIL : YOU : : CAN CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING USEFUL TO THE GROUP. YOU'RE A : PILLAGER : : AND NEED TO BE PILLAGED YOURSELF. : : : : wrote in message : : oups.com... : : : : : : Opinions wrote: desperately..... : : : : : : Why do no-spanks keep yammering about paddling in : schools? : : : : : : Bother you to see the data, does it? 0:- : : : : : : Because : : : they have lost the battle in the homes. : : : : : : Odd, we are starting to see more places in the US where : bans on : : : spanking ... anywhere, home or school...are being seriously : : considered. : : : And over the years fewer and fewer polled adults support : the : : practice. : : : Used to be 90% and more, now it's around 65%. I suspect : where : : the truth : : : known, if they didn't expect heat from relatives (who are : still : : sick : : : compulsives and apologists) more would speak out against : : spanking. : : : : : : You know it and it's got you on the run. Poor sad pitiful : : losers. R R R : : : R R : : : : : : They know it. Well, most of : : : 'em do anyway. : : : : : : What we know is the trend. Just as it took time for slavery : to : : be : : : brought to an end as an institution in the United States, : so : : too it : : : will take time for child CP to come to an end. The time is : not : : the : : : critical issue, the end is. : : : : : : The trend is moving inexhorably to and end to spanking as : an : : : institutionalized practice. Live with it. : : : : : : There are still one or two *George W. Bush* types around : : thinking that : : : if they can launch still more assaults then they can : prove : : that their : : : version of a failed invasion is not a quagmire. : : : : : : You are aware that Barbara made it plain she spanked her : boys, : : right? : : : : : : Even *abused* children : : : are tired of being *liberated* by decitful self-appointed : : saviors with : : : an overly ambitious agenda that overlooks their needs. : : : : : : Actually an abused child, once they come to understand they : did : : not : : : deserve to be treated as they were are quite happy to have : been : : : liberated. : : : : : : Your hyperbole quotient is going up, I see. : : : : : : "*liberated*" "decitful" [sic] "self-appointed saviors" : : "overly : : : ambitious" folks like us are overlooking which "needs" of : : children, : : : Opinion? : : : : : : The need to be hit by their ONLY protectors.....until the : state : : catches : : : on and steps in? : : : : : : The law is coming. And you are ****tin' yourself over it : and : : can't : : : figure out what to do about it, other than rant, while we : do : : real work : : : to make it happen. Try cruising the internet for : anti-spanking : : : information sites and see what you find. Including : religious : : ones, : : : friend. : : : : : : : : : http://www.webmd.com/content/Article...000_1000_tn_02 : : : : : : There is already massive amounts of similar data : historically, : : and : : : there's more coming, though we certainly don't need it for : a : : moral : : : attack on hitting children. Imagine, hitting a child, a : tiny : : little : : : child you are charged to protect. Tsk. : : : : : : Bullies. That's all you are. Weak minded, self deluded : bullies. : : And : : : people are figuring this out and opting OUT of being one of : : you. Every : : : day. More and more. And we enjoy lowering crime rates, : better : : academic : : : outcomes, and more responsible citizens. The payoff feels : good : : too, so : : : they tell me. : : : : : : How you going to stop us, Opie? Share your plan. Eh? : : : : : : R R R R R R RR .... : : : : : : 0:- : : : : : : : : : : : : |
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NEANDERTHAL OR CRETIN ? YOU DECIDE No-spank's last stand
Pop's an idiot, plain and simple. Ignore him, we do.
Ron |
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