Panel Rejects Scaremongering

If you step back a moment and do a spot of math, and, assuming that the
approx. 50 deaths of people on methylphenidate over a 5 years period
(that would be 10 per year on average) are somehow related to taking the
medication, and then note that the referenced article mentions something
about 3,000,000 taking the medication, AND that there is no mention of
the rate of death due to similar means in the population that does not
take the medication, one has to logically wonder what the noise is all
about.

Anyway, it was rejected:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060323/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

WASHINGTON - Federal health advisers said Wednesday that Ritalin and
other drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder should not
carry strong "black-box" warnings about potential cardiovascular and
psychiatric risks.

[...]

"Nearly 3.3 million Americans age 19 and younger used an ADHD drug last
year, according to Medco Health Solutions Inc., a prescription drug
benefit program manager."

[...]

"Psychiatrists and mental health advocates said leaving the disease
untreated could rival the risks the drugs may pose.

"It is important to not let the discussion of ADHD medications
overshadow the public health crisis of untreated mental health disorders
in children," said Cynthia Wainscott of the National Mental Health
Association. Her 16-year-old granddaughter has ADHD."

Mark Probert wrote:
If you step back a moment and do a spot of math, and, assuming that the
approx. 50 deaths of people on methylphenidate over a 5 years period
(that would be 10 per year on average) are somehow related to taking the
medication, and then note that the referenced article mentions something
about 3,000,000 taking the medication, AND that there is no mention of
the rate of death due to similar means in the population that does not
take the medication, one has to logically wonder what the noise is all
about.

That's far more than the number of deaths attributed to adult use of
dietary supplements, which you claim need the same (ineffective)
regulatory oversight. Bascially, Markey, you're just here to promote
your sponsors and their high-priced drugs and it shows.

Anyway, it was rejected:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060323/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

WASHINGTON - Federal health advisers said Wednesday that Ritalin and
other drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder should not
carry strong "black-box" warnings about potential cardiovascular and
psychiatric risks.

Do you actually have a distaste for protecting the public? Ephedra was
banned for FAR less evidence than this, I don't hear you lamenting
about that.

"Nearly 3.3 million Americans age 19 and younger used an ADHD drug last
year, according to Medco Health Solutions Inc., a prescription drug
benefit program manager."

Which is very sad, since it isn't at all necessary or healthy.

[...]

"Psychiatrists and mental health advocates said leaving the disease
untreated could rival the risks the drugs may pose.

Pure bull****. Like your posts.

"It is important to not let the discussion of ADHD medications
overshadow the public health crisis of untreated mental health disorders
in children," said Cynthia Wainscott of the National Mental Health
Association. Her 16-year-old granddaughter has ADHD."

The public crisis goes hand in hand with childhood obesity, which is
purely a dietary phenomenon. ADHD does not require drugs.

THE LCP SOLUTION: The Remarkable Nutritional Treatment for ADHD,
Dyslexia, and Dyspraxia - by B. Jacqueline Stordy, Malcolm J. Nicholl

PeterB

"PeterB" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mark Probert wrote:
If you step back a moment and do a spot of math, and, assuming that the
approx. 50 deaths of people on methylphenidate over a 5 years period
(that would be 10 per year on average) are somehow related to taking the
medication, and then note that the referenced article mentions something
about 3,000,000 taking the medication, AND that there is no mention of
the rate of death due to similar means in the population that does not
take the medication, one has to logically wonder what the noise is all
about.

That's far more than the number of deaths attributed to adult use of
dietary supplements, which you claim need the same (ineffective)
regulatory oversight. Bascially, Markey, you're just here to promote
your sponsors and their high-priced drugs and it shows.

Were all 50 deaths proven to be a result of the medication? Speculation
doesn't count.

And if you don't think people die from dietary supplements you're blind -
it's just not as good a media sucker as kids dying from prescription
medications.

I saw a patient who with penile cancer. He knew there was something wrong
with his penis. A "friend" into "natural remedies" recommended, as best as
I can recall, garlic rubbings and a host of other "treatments". He follied
along this road for over 8 months. By the time he finally came to see us,
his cancer had gone from a warty looking structure to a tennis ball sized
goomba which was clearly infected and he the cancer had metastasized to his
lymph nodes. Despite several surgeries and chemo and radiation he died of
metastatic cancer within 11 months. He was killed by his cancer with a
major contribution from "natural remedies" or whatever you want to call it.

That anecdote is far from an isolated story.

That's far more than the number of deaths attributed to adult use of
dietary supplements

Supplements are just that -- they supplement, not treat. But just like with
medication, they can have adverse effects, mainly indirect when primary
treatment is substituted by remedies.

Most "advanced adults" "would have been diagnosed" with ADHD when younger.
Some patients are definitely helped with the drugs.
There is ZERO physical test for ADHD.
One has to ask why the major medical argument is between standard medical
doctors and psychiatrists.

When I read all the basics of ADHD treatment I come up with Tylenol "cures"
headaches. Scotch helps with depression.

"Skeptic" wrote in message
news:BazUf.841288$x96.774523@attbi_s72...

"PeterB" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mark Probert wrote:
If you step back a moment and do a spot of math, and, assuming that the
approx. 50 deaths of people on methylphenidate over a 5 years period
(that would be 10 per year on average) are somehow related to taking the
medication, and then note that the referenced article mentions something
about 3,000,000 taking the medication, AND that there is no mention of
the rate of death due to similar means in the population that does not
take the medication, one has to logically wonder what the noise is all
about.

That's far more than the number of deaths attributed to adult use of
dietary supplements, which you claim need the same (ineffective)
regulatory oversight. Bascially, Markey, you're just here to promote
your sponsors and their high-priced drugs and it shows.

Were all 50 deaths proven to be a result of the medication? Speculation
doesn't count.

And if you don't think people die from dietary supplements you're blind -
it's just not as good a media sucker as kids dying from prescription
medications.

I saw a patient who with penile cancer. He knew there was something wrong
with his penis. A "friend" into "natural remedies" recommended, as best
as I can recall, garlic rubbings and a host of other "treatments". He
follied along this road for over 8 months. By the time he finally came to
see us, his cancer had gone from a warty looking structure to a tennis
ball sized goomba which was clearly infected and he the cancer had
metastasized to his lymph nodes. Despite several surgeries and chemo and
radiation he died of metastatic cancer within 11 months. He was killed by
his cancer with a major contribution from "natural remedies" or whatever
you want to call it.

That anecdote is far from an isolated story.

There are many many more under "traditional" care. Yes, the guy wasted
money.

Basically, the medical community (traditional or alternative) has no clue,
whatever, what cancer is except that it is uncontrolled growth.

"vernon" wrote in message
g.com...

"Skeptic" wrote in message
news:BazUf.841288$x96.774523@attbi_s72...

"PeterB" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mark Probert wrote:
If you step back a moment and do a spot of math, and, assuming that the
approx. 50 deaths of people on methylphenidate over a 5 years period
(that would be 10 per year on average) are somehow related to taking
the
medication, and then note that the referenced article mentions
something
about 3,000,000 taking the medication, AND that there is no mention of
the rate of death due to similar means in the population that does not
take the medication, one has to logically wonder what the noise is all
about.

That's far more than the number of deaths attributed to adult use of
dietary supplements, which you claim need the same (ineffective)
regulatory oversight. Bascially, Markey, you're just here to promote
your sponsors and their high-priced drugs and it shows.

Were all 50 deaths proven to be a result of the medication? Speculation
doesn't count.

And if you don't think people die from dietary supplements you're blind -
it's just not as good a media sucker as kids dying from prescription
medications.

I saw a patient who with penile cancer. He knew there was something
wrong with his penis. A "friend" into "natural remedies" recommended, as
best as I can recall, garlic rubbings and a host of other "treatments".
He follied along this road for over 8 months. By the time he finally
came to see us, his cancer had gone from a warty looking structure to a
tennis ball sized goomba which was clearly infected and he the cancer had
metastasized to his lymph nodes. Despite several surgeries and chemo and
radiation he died of metastatic cancer within 11 months. He was killed
by his cancer with a major contribution from "natural remedies" or
whatever you want to call it.

That anecdote is far from an isolated story.

There are many many more under "traditional" care. Yes, the guy wasted
money.

Basically, the medical community (traditional or alternative) has no clue,
whatever, what cancer is except that it is uncontrolled growth.


But there are proven ways treating it.

"C A III A" wrote in message
...

That's far more than the number of deaths attributed to adult use of
dietary supplements

Supplements are just that -- they supplement, not treat. But just like
with medication, they can have adverse effects, mainly indirect when
primary treatment is substituted by remedies.


Supplements for maintenance are that.
Therapeutic doses are ENTIRELY different.

Most people who take supplements get zero good. They don't bother to see
that the "cure" or "preventive" measure is probably ten time what they
take.

Every single "study" I have seen over the past few years that "shows" a
supplement not to be effective has "PURPOSELY" used under optimum levels,
but the levels most people take.

"vernon" wrote in message
g.com...

"C A III A" wrote in message
...

That's far more than the number of deaths attributed to adult use of
dietary supplements

Supplements are just that -- they supplement, not treat. But just like
with medication, they can have adverse effects, mainly indirect when
primary treatment is substituted by remedies.


Supplements for maintenance are that.
Therapeutic doses are ENTIRELY different.

Most people who take supplements get zero good. They don't bother to see
that the "cure" or "preventive" measure is probably ten time what they
take.

Every single "study" I have seen over the past few years that "shows" a
supplement not to be effective has "PURPOSELY" used under optimum levels,
but the levels most people take.
OK and toxicities with therapeutic doses?

"C A III A" wrote in message
...

"vernon" wrote in message
g.com...

"C A III A" wrote in message
...

That's far more than the number of deaths attributed to adult use of
dietary supplements

Supplements are just that -- they supplement, not treat. But just like
with medication, they can have adverse effects, mainly indirect when
primary treatment is substituted by remedies.


Supplements for maintenance are that.
Therapeutic doses are ENTIRELY different.

Most people who take supplements get zero good. They don't bother to see
that the "cure" or "preventive" measure is probably ten time what they
take.

Every single "study" I have seen over the past few years that "shows" a
supplement not to be effective has "PURPOSELY" used under optimum levels,
but the levels most people take.

Give me an example, and let's discuss this common allegation further..

Peter Moran