Child's First Right Is to Be Born, Insists Holy See

"Paul Anderson" wrote in message
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On 6 May 2007 14:55:09 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On May 6, 6:45=EF=BF=BDam, (Paul Anderson) wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2007 22:36:08 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"





wrote:

"Paul Anderson" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 May 2007 18:17:46 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"
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Let me get this straight. =A0You post that Blackstone is your
authori=
ty on
Old
English Law regarding abortion.

No, I use Blackstone to show that you lied when you claimed abortion
was homicide under Common Law. =A0You've been dancing ever since.

Now you are getting the posters mixed up. =A0I said abortion was
murder.

Big whoopie ****. =A0Murder is a subset of homicide. =A0Abortion is not
a
homicide nor a murder. =A0Never has been. =A0*ALL* Pro-Lifers are liars
on
this subject as without this lie you cannot justify denying the woman
her basic human rights.- Hide quoted text -

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Basic human right? To kill? You be it should be deprived.

There is no right to kill -- that is just another of the Pro-Life
lies.

But the U.S. Supreme Court said there is a right to privacy. And then they
said the right to privacy allows a woman to kill her unborn child.

So where is the father's right to privacy and his ability to walk away from
an unwanted child just like a woman can do? Do you advocate different
standards of privacy rights for women than for men?

On Sun, 6 May 2007 17:04:51 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Paul Anderson" wrote in

On 6 May 2007 14:54:22 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On May 5, 11:05=EF=BF=BDpm, (Paul Anderson) wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2007 18:52:00 -0700, "DB" wrote:

"Paul Anderson" wrote in

Again with the lies. =A0A fetus is not A LIFE -- which in this case
would refer to the life of a human being.

It certainly is a life.

A lie. Why must you lie?


OK, just for the record, what is a Fetus if it is not a human life?

A human fetus is a human fetus. The phrase, a human life, refers to
the life of a human being. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/life : 5 a
: the period from birth to death.
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions...L/H1774v0.html
: ANY INFANT BORN ALIVE IS INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF PERSON

A human being, and therefore a human life, is that which is born,
human, and alive. A fetus, being unborn, cannot be a human life. To
claim that it is a human life is to lie. While you may be quite
content to base your life upon lies, I am not. I have difficulty in
understanding how someone who claims to be Christian can base any sort
of moral arument upon deceiptions and falsehoods.

On Sun, 6 May 2007 18:54:23 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"
wrote:


"Paul Anderson" wrote in message
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On 6 May 2007 14:55:09 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On May 6, 6:45=EF=BF=BDam, (Paul Anderson) wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2007 22:36:08 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"





wrote:

"Paul Anderson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 May 2007 18:17:46 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"
wrote:

...

Let me get this straight. =A0You post that Blackstone is your
authori=
ty on
Old
English Law regarding abortion.

No, I use Blackstone to show that you lied when you claimed abortion
was homicide under Common Law. =A0You've been dancing ever since.

Now you are getting the posters mixed up. =A0I said abortion was
murder.

Big whoopie ****. =A0Murder is a subset of homicide. =A0Abortion is not
a
homicide nor a murder. =A0Never has been. =A0*ALL* Pro-Lifers are liars
on
this subject as without this lie you cannot justify denying the woman
her basic human rights.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Basic human right? To kill? You be it should be deprived.

There is no right to kill -- that is just another of the Pro-Life
lies.

But the U.S. Supreme Court said there is a right to privacy. And then they
said the right to privacy allows a woman to kill her unborn child.

That is another Pro-Life lie.

So where is the father's right to privacy and his ability to walk away from
an unwanted child just like a woman can do? Do you advocate different
standards of privacy rights for women than for men?

Your questions are based upon falsehoods and are thus not answerable.
And no, I do not advocate different standards of rights for men and
women -- privacy or any other rights.

A person cannot, IMO, be held responsible to support anything or
anyone he or she did not agree to support. Nor, again IMO, can a
person morally deny support to that which he has agreed to support.
Being a biological parent to a child is not a prior agreement to
support that child, for man or woman. Marriage vows constitute a
prior agreement to support children born of that marriage. Lacking
any such prior agreement I see no moral justification to force a man
to support a woman's decision to bear and raise a child. IMO this is
what C4M advocates should be stressing, not falsehoods about some
non-existent 'right to kill' on the part of the woman.

On Sun, 06 May 2007 18:03:01 -0700, Robert
wrote:

On Sun, 06 May 2007 22:21:52 GMT, (Paul Anderson)
wrote:
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Pro-Lifers *ARE* quite consistent in wishing harm upon those they
disagree with.

It's the Christian way, don't you know?

Yes, the old WWJD -- beat with a scourge, destroy private property --
it is all Biblically Justified. Then again, the Bible is so
inconsistent that *anything* can be Biblically Justified.

On May 7, 4:02�am, (Paul Anderson) wrote:
On Sun, 6 May 2007 17:04:51 -0700, "DB" wrote:

"Paul Anderson" wrote in

On 6 May 2007 14:54:22 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On May 5, 11:05=EF=BF=BDpm, (Paul Anderson) wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2007 18:52:00 -0700, "DB" wrote:

"Paul Anderson" wrote in

Again with the lies. =A0A fetus is not A LIFE -- which in this case
would refer to the life of a human being.

It certainly is a life.

A lie. *Why must you lie?

OK, just for the record, what is a Fetus if it is not a human life?

A human fetus is a human fetus. *The phrase, a human life, refers to
the life of a human being. *http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/life: *5 a
: the period from birth to death. *http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions...L/H1774v0.html
: ANY INFANT BORN ALIVE IS INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF PERSON

A human being, and therefore a human life, is that which is born,
human, and alive. *A fetus, being unborn, cannot be a human life. *To
claim that it is a human life is to lie. *While you may be quite
content to base your life upon lies, I am not. *I have difficulty in
understanding how someone who claims to be Christian can base any sort
of moral arument upon deceiptions and falsehoods.- Hide quoted text -

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More than two dozen states, including California, have adopted "fetal
homicide" statutes. Scott Peterson was convicted of it and sentenced
to death. Why is that so (well of course, besides the fact he murdered
his wife)? Why the charge if the fetus is not a life? How can you
commit homicide on something that is neither human nor alive?

On 7 May 2007 05:30:21 -0700, Relayer wrote:

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OK, just for the record, what is a Fetus if it is not a human life?

A human fetus is a human fetus. =A0The phrase, a human life, refers to
the life of a human being. =A0http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/life: =A05 a
: the period from birth to death. =A0http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions=
/2007/Bills/House/HTML/H1774v0.html
: ANY INFANT BORN ALIVE IS INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF PERSON

A human being, and therefore a human life, is that which is born,
human, and alive. =A0A fetus, being unborn, cannot be a human life. =A0To
claim that it is a human life is to lie. =A0While you may be quite
content to base your life upon lies, I am not. =A0I have difficulty in
understanding how someone who claims to be Christian can base any sort
of moral arument upon deceiptions and falsehoods.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

More than two dozen states, including California, have adopted "fetal
homicide" statutes. Scott Peterson was convicted of it and sentenced
to death. Why is that so (well of course, besides the fact he murdered
his wife)? Why the charge if the fetus is not a life? How can you
commit homicide on something that is neither human nor alive?

No one said that a living human fetus is not human or alive.

There is no "fetal homicide" statute in California. California Penal
Code section 187(a) reads: "Murder is the unlawful killing of a human
being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought."

The law makes both homicide and feticide the crime of murder. The
murder of a fetus is not a homicide (the killing of a human being)
which is why it was added with the connector OR. If the fetus were a
human being then there would be no need to pass a law to add the fetus
to the murder statute.

Other states have also passed fetal homicide laws -- separate and in
addition to the laws covering the killing of human beings. Doesn't
make a fetus a human being, nor change the fact that abortion is not
and never has been legally considered to be a murder or a homicide.

There are also laws that state a fetus or unborn child is a person for
the purpose of that law -- which no more makes a fetus a human being
than similar laws treating corporations as persons make them human
beings.

"Robert" wrote in

If not aborted either spontaneous or deliberately, it will become a
human baby, at birth. In the case of a unwanted pregnancy it's a
rapidly growing tumor that is a threat to the life of the woman.

How exactly is this growing tumor a threat to the life of a woman?

"Robert" wrote in

The man that doesn't want to cause the woman to be pregnant has the
sole responsibility to prevent conception. Face you are a loser, as
well as a ass hole.

Sole responsibility?

OK Roberta, it's pretty obvious you're contempt for men will never heal.
No point discussing anything when you haven't been honest.

On Sun, 6 May 2007 17:02:30 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in

A intelligent man protects himself, a idiot that knock a
woman up that he doesn't love, deserves no sympathy.


Here's a news flash Genious, there's plenty of Americans having lots of sex
with each other that don't have a dying love for each other. Do you still
drive a horse and buggy in Utah?

You are correct tens of millions of responsible Americans, both
married and unmarried have satisfying sex on a regular basis. Without
a unwanted pregnancy. Unfortunately there are a few irresponsible
idiots that wind up with a unwanted pregnancy, and many **** for
brains men that place the blame solely on the woman.
The man that doesn't want to cause the woman to be pregnant has the
sole responsibility to prevent conception. Face you are a loser, as
well as a ass hole.



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On Sun, 6 May 2007 17:04:51 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Paul Anderson" wrote in

On 6 May 2007 14:54:22 -0700, Relayer wrote:

On May 5, 11:05=EF=BF=BDpm, (Paul Anderson) wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2007 18:52:00 -0700, "DB" wrote:

"Paul Anderson" wrote in

Again with the lies. =A0A fetus is not A LIFE -- which in this case
would refer to the life of a human being.

It certainly is a life.

A lie. Why must you lie?


OK, just for the record, what is a Fetus if it is not a human life?

If not aborted either spontaneous or deliberately, it will become a
human baby, at birth. In the case of a unwanted pregnancy it's a
rapidly growing tumor that is a threat to the life of the woman.

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