When do the kids have the right?

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"PapaPolarbear" wrote in message
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My oldest daughter has been very anxious to change the living
arrangements
we have (I have every second weekend) so that I have my daughters
2
weeks,
mom has them 2 weeks.

I'd do this now except that my ex will not discuss the scenario.
At
what
age
can my daughter flex her muscle and ask the courts to change the
order?
I
have heard she will be taken seriously from about age 12.

Any comments?

Most states use 13-14 as the age where a child can express an
opinion
about
custody. The court is usually required to consider the maturity of
the
child. The problem is most states also have child custody laws that
list
the child's preference as only one of about a dozen factors for the
court
to
consider.

In my case, the court blew off the child's stated preference,
refusing
to
even hear directly from the child, and decided not to change custody
after
considering all the "other" factors.

Now that sounds like the courts.


The problem is the judges try to herd you through the system. They
don't
want to take the time to really study a case and make an appropriate
decision. Instead, they use the "cookie cutter" approach and
disregard
the
real issues a father might try to raise. Your best bet is to try to
get
the
judge to require a formal custody evaluation by local child
psychologists.

Ya right, if your a dad, don't expect a good out come,
child psychologists, use and play the feminist way, not favorable to
fathers, and besides, it's all witch craft, and it's a good way of
losing
what you have if your the man, in most cases those clowns always seem
to
come up with some ourlandish claim that dads are harmful to the
children,
therefore supervised access is put in order.

My experience with gaining custody of my son was the result of a
professional child psychologist supporting me as being able to provide
an
environment where he would do better.

Gee that a first then, not heard of that much at all, but in Canada, I can
tell you in most cases that go in front of the courts, it doesn't matter
if
the fathers are good dads or not, or what professionals they hire.

As it turns out, fathers in the majority of cases end up getting shafted,
which leaves them with wasted money on witch craft psychologist.

Having spent twelve years in the legal system I can tell you, your kind of
case is rare, that is if the mother didn't fight you for custody, or she
just gave you the kids, or she died, or as it just turns out she just to
drugged out to even take care of a pet, let alone take care of a child.

It well know that professional child psychologist are not going to win the
day for fathers in a feminist court system, and I make that known up
front,
so not to give men the false hope of succeeding in their cases.

You should be thankful you didn't lose but then you never said anything
about the mother and why it was she lost the children.

You are missing my point that an effective way for a father to gain custody
is to get it done outside of the legal system and not leave it up to the
court or court appointed county payroll child psychologists to pass
judgement. In the U.S. most medical insurance covers psychological
counseling up to a lifetime dollar limit. About 8-10 counseling sessions at
about $75 each and reimbursed at 80% is not a very big cash outlay.

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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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"PapaPolarbear" wrote in message
. ..
My oldest daughter has been very anxious to change the living
arrangements
we have (I have every second weekend) so that I have my
daughters
2
weeks,
mom has them 2 weeks.

I'd do this now except that my ex will not discuss the scenario.
At
what
age
can my daughter flex her muscle and ask the courts to change the
order?
I
have heard she will be taken seriously from about age 12.

Any comments?

Most states use 13-14 as the age where a child can express an
opinion
about
custody. The court is usually required to consider the maturity
of
the
child. The problem is most states also have child custody laws
that
list
the child's preference as only one of about a dozen factors for
the
court
to
consider.

In my case, the court blew off the child's stated preference,
refusing
to
even hear directly from the child, and decided not to change
custody
after
considering all the "other" factors.

Now that sounds like the courts.


The problem is the judges try to herd you through the system.
They
don't
want to take the time to really study a case and make an
appropriate
decision. Instead, they use the "cookie cutter" approach and
disregard
the
real issues a father might try to raise. Your best bet is to try
to
get
the
judge to require a formal custody evaluation by local child
psychologists.

Ya right, if your a dad, don't expect a good out come,
child psychologists, use and play the feminist way, not favorable to
fathers, and besides, it's all witch craft, and it's a good way of
losing
what you have if your the man, in most cases those clowns always
seem
to
come up with some ourlandish claim that dads are harmful to the
children,
therefore supervised access is put in order.

My experience with gaining custody of my son was the result of a
professional child psychologist supporting me as being able to provide
an
environment where he would do better.

Gee that a first then, not heard of that much at all, but in Canada, I
can
tell you in most cases that go in front of the courts, it doesn't matter
if
the fathers are good dads or not, or what professionals they hire.

As it turns out, fathers in the majority of cases end up getting
shafted,
which leaves them with wasted money on witch craft psychologist.

Having spent twelve years in the legal system I can tell you, your kind
of
case is rare, that is if the mother didn't fight you for custody, or she
just gave you the kids, or she died, or as it just turns out she just to
drugged out to even take care of a pet, let alone take care of a child.

It well know that professional child psychologist are not going to win
the
day for fathers in a feminist court system, and I make that known up
front,
so not to give men the false hope of succeeding in their cases.

You should be thankful you didn't lose but then you never said anything
about the mother and why it was she lost the children.

You are missing my point that an effective way for a father to gain
custody
is to get it done outside of the legal system and not leave it up to the
court or court appointed county payroll child psychologists to pass
judgement.

That's bull****, it still has to go to court, either way, unless both partys
agree not to, and even then, if the women changes her mind, it doesn't
matter what was agreed too, she still can take it too court.

I have seen real good reports for fathers, and agreements terminated, for
dads and been tossed out in the supreme courts, using this child
psychologist witch craft, because the feminist courts don't give one ****
either way, as long as women are heard.

All the emotional leftwing crap works better for women in the courts then
common sense including fathers using child psychologist and their witch
craft.

You might have been able to convince your ex, but it doesn't work all the
time or I should say rarely as most women would fight tooth and nail to get
their children.

In the U.S. most medical insurance covers psychological
counseling up to a lifetime dollar limit. About 8-10 counseling sessions
at
about $75 each and reimbursed at 80% is not a very big cash outlay.

Well tell you what, you can bull**** all these dads that come here, with all
this hope message crap, but in the real world, it doesn't work all that
great for dads.

You were just, "one of the few lucky ones", who got his kids.

I have to say, it does sound like your trying to boost business for child
psychologist and their witch craft.

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"...8MM.." wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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"...8MM.." wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
nk.net...

"PapaPolarbear" wrote in message
. ..
My oldest daughter has been very anxious to change the living
arrangements
we have (I have every second weekend) so that I have my
daughters
2
weeks,
mom has them 2 weeks.

I'd do this now except that my ex will not discuss the scenario.
At
what
age
can my daughter flex her muscle and ask the courts to change the
order?
I
have heard she will be taken seriously from about age 12.

Any comments?

Most states use 13-14 as the age where a child can express an
opinion
about
custody. The court is usually required to consider the maturity
of
the
child. The problem is most states also have child custody laws
that
list
the child's preference as only one of about a dozen factors for
the
court
to
consider.

In my case, the court blew off the child's stated preference,
refusing
to
even hear directly from the child, and decided not to change
custody
after
considering all the "other" factors.

Now that sounds like the courts.


The problem is the judges try to herd you through the system.
They
don't
want to take the time to really study a case and make an
appropriate
decision. Instead, they use the "cookie cutter" approach and
disregard
the
real issues a father might try to raise. Your best bet is to try
to
get
the
judge to require a formal custody evaluation by local child
psychologists.

Ya right, if your a dad, don't expect a good out come,
child psychologists, use and play the feminist way, not favorable to
fathers, and besides, it's all witch craft, and it's a good way of
losing
what you have if your the man, in most cases those clowns always
seem
to
come up with some ourlandish claim that dads are harmful to the
children,
therefore supervised access is put in order.

My experience with gaining custody of my son was the result of a
professional child psychologist supporting me as being able to provide
an
environment where he would do better.

Gee that a first then, not heard of that much at all, but in Canada, I
can
tell you in most cases that go in front of the courts, it doesn't matter
if
the fathers are good dads or not, or what professionals they hire.

As it turns out, fathers in the majority of cases end up getting
shafted,
which leaves them with wasted money on witch craft psychologist.

Having spent twelve years in the legal system I can tell you, your kind
of
case is rare, that is if the mother didn't fight you for custody, or she
just gave you the kids, or she died, or as it just turns out she just to
drugged out to even take care of a pet, let alone take care of a child.

It well know that professional child psychologist are not going to win
the
day for fathers in a feminist court system, and I make that known up
front,
so not to give men the false hope of succeeding in their cases.

You should be thankful you didn't lose but then you never said anything
about the mother and why it was she lost the children.

You are missing my point that an effective way for a father to gain
custody
is to get it done outside of the legal system and not leave it up to the
court or court appointed county payroll child psychologists to pass
judgement.

That's bull****, it still has to go to court, either way, unless both partys
agree not to, and even then, if the women changes her mind, it doesn't
matter what was agreed too, she still can take it too court.

I have seen real good reports for fathers, and agreements terminated, for
dads and been tossed out in the supreme courts, using this child
psychologist witch craft, because the feminist courts don't give one ****
either way, as long as women are heard.

All the emotional leftwing crap works better for women in the courts then
common sense including fathers using child psychologist and their witch
craft.

You might have been able to convince your ex, but it doesn't work all the
time or I should say rarely as most women would fight tooth and nail to get
their children.

In the U.S. most medical insurance covers psychological
counseling up to a lifetime dollar limit. About 8-10 counseling sessions
at
about $75 each and reimbursed at 80% is not a very big cash outlay.

Well tell you what, you can bull**** all these dads that come here, with all
this hope message crap, but in the real world, it doesn't work all that
great for dads.

You were just, "one of the few lucky ones", who got his kids.

I have to say, it does sound like your trying to boost business for child
psychologist and their witch craft.