| Dateline & Spanking *Blood Brothers* Discrepancy in story

On 08 Sep 2003 13:22:36 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

The brother who did the actual murder says his parents spanked him
APPROPRIATELY.

Please post a referance to the incident you apparently are stupidly
failing to cite properly...or are you dreaming again?

By the way, the Streeter murder Dateline story, as far as I've found,
shows no such referrance. Your kid?

You've been getting your information from TV again, right?

And you, of course, would take the word of a convicted murderer. Nice
going, Plant. Yet another example of your strangeness.

Yet think about what you are supporting...that a murderer was spanked,
not beaten, not brutalized, but just spanked. Interesting, eh?

(of course that turns out to NOT be true...there was a defense of
family abuse)

The brother who was collaterally conviced of murder--but then
released --said
that the spankings he received made him WORK WITH HIS BRO IN ROBBERY
AND
MURDER.

Oh, and this doesn't for you, equate with any reason to end the
practice of spanking, I suppose.

All children are individuals.

Why yes they sure are, and that is what makes it a very dangerous crap
shoot to use CP as a discipline. Who has the wisdom to predict the
outcome? Eh? YOU?

When the state intrudes into families

The expectation is that incidences such as above are less likely to
happen. That is WHY the state intrudes. Personally I like it that they
are making an attempt to reduce the number of murders and murderers so
trained by stupid parents who spank.

and when
the aparatchicks

Name calling? Tsk.......... tsk............. tsk

like Straus apppear to confirm the universal law that spanking
is TANTAMOUNT TO CHILD ABUSE,

I'd say he has been more than circumspect on the issue. Personally
have NO doubt whatever it is abusive. And it isn't "TANTAMOUNT TO." It
is child abuse.

Small children do NOT need to be hit to control, guide, and teach
them. In fact it is a dangerous gamble to do so as this article
supports.

As the freed boy above showed in his statement, if he can be believed,
it makes blind followers, as well as vicious leaders.

it makes one distrust the complete apparatus of
government.

It makes a Plant spout generalities with obvious bias and logic that
reverses It's claims by the evidence offered. Do you always defeat
yourself right out of the gate?

"Whores of the Court"

Tsk, more name calling. How could you? Doug will be along any moment
to point out your reducto absurdum and nasty name calling.

confirms that the cadre of LE, psychologists, social
workers, CPS workers are acting to keep their sinecures, not to
remediate
situations.

That's why they don't. The majority work quite hard to remediate.
Plants don't know such things, of course.

Criminalizing good-enough parents is an extremely dangerous tactic on
the part
of social service agencies.

That's why it's a rarity. "Good-enough" parents gave up spanking long
ago. But then spanking is legal in all but one state (still haven't
figured that out yet, have yah, Potato?) so social service agencies to
no criminalize it. They simply include it in the long list of
circumstances they find along with it, as not EVEN good enough
parenting.


http://www.familyrightsassociation.com OR based--many other
family support
groups in OR for those batting SCF or SoSCF

You can't even get the name right. r r r r

bingo bango bongo,

Stoneman ... and for those interested in the Blood Brothers story.

Streeter murder featured on Dateline

A two-hour special tonight on the NBC news magazine "Dateline"
profiles Ted and Jesse Ernst of Bigfork and their murder of
businessman Larry Streeter.
Titled "Blood Brothers," the program describes the brothers and their
relationship after Ted Ernst fell from a tree and became paralyzed.
Despite his disability, he and his younger brother, Jesse, engaged in
a long series of burglaries of homes and businesses near Bigfork.

On Christmas Day 1997, they were caught at a home by Streeter, who was
checking on the residence for an out-of-town friend. He was shot dead.

The Ernsts, ages 20 and 18, were arrested in May 1998. Both pleaded
guilty to Streeter's murder. Ted Ernst went to prison and is serving a
100-year sentence. Jesse Ernst began serving a similar sentence and
then was granted a new trial.

He stood trial in March 2001. A jury found him innocent on some
burglary charges and not guilty by reason of mental disease on other
charges, including the murder of Streeter.

His lawyer, Phyllis Quatman, argued that Ernst could not be held
criminally accountable for his actions because of mental deficiencies
caused by a genetic condition called Klinefelter's Syndrome, an
abusive family and the pathological control of his brother, Ted.

A judge sentenced Jesse Ernst to a state hospital. Now 24, he has
since been released.

The Dateline show begins at 7 p.m., with correspondent John Larson's
story covering the entire two hours.

The A&E Network also profiled the brothers and Sports Illustrated
wrote about Ted Ernst, who was once a competitive wheelchair racer.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/NewsEn...a=84-816753-84

or http://tinyurl.com/mn36

Kane wrote:

On 08 Sep 2003 13:22:36 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

You've been getting your information from TV again, right?

That's Fern's only source of information. She doesn't read --she's a media dream. For people like Fern, the
media exists in it's present form. She equates facts with media TV.

And you, of course, would take the word of a convicted murderer. Nice
going, Plant. Yet another example of your strangeness.

Fern only takes the word of a convicted murder if it matches her agenda. Quite a hoot, isn't it? If the
convicted murderer talked about his/her parenting that included spanking, you can be very sure she would not
post this on any ng.

Yet think about what you are supporting...that a murderer was spanked,
not beaten, not brutalized, but just spanked. Interesting, eh?

I think Fern missed this point. Even with a media source it's tough for her to realize what she is saying.
Hey Fern, how about that? The murderer not only admitted to being spanked, but he felt the spankings were
appropriate.

(of course that turns out to NOT be true...there was a defense of
family abuse)

You do know that family abuse doesn't exist. It's a figment of the government's imagination.

The brother who was collaterally conviced of murder--but then
released --said
that the spankings he received made him WORK WITH HIS BRO IN ROBBERY
AND
MURDER.

Oh, and this doesn't for you, equate with any reason to end the
practice of spanking, I suppose.

In Fern's mind she sees this as a reason for spanking!

All children are individuals.

Why yes they sure are, and that is what makes it a very dangerous crap
shoot to use CP as a discipline. Who has the wisdom to predict the
outcome? Eh? YOU?

Yes, Fern does seem to believe that she has that wisdom. Amazing, isn't it?

This was such a good post that I kept wanting to add to it, but I think you've made your point, and made it
well. I see very little support for Fern's posts anymore, and I have heard from individuals on
alt.support.child-protective-services that wish Fern would just go away.

There are some real issues with CPS that need to be addressed on the appropriate ng. Yet even this ng doesn't
want Fern.

LaVonne

I see very little support for Fern's posts anymore, and
I have heard from individuals on
alt.support.child-protective-services that wish Fern would just go away.

What? Ron wrote that to you once?

There are some real issues with CPS that need
to be addressed on the appropriate ng. Yet even
this ng doesn't want Fern.

Who appointed you God?

Greg Hanson wrote:

I see very little support for Fern's posts anymore, and
I have heard from individuals on
alt.support.child-protective-services that wish Fern would just go away.

What? Ron wrote that to you once?
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Fern is a delusional paranoid.


There are some real issues with CPS that need
to be addressed on the appropriate ng. Yet even
this ng doesn't want Fern.

Who appointed you God?
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You ****ty little liar!
Steve

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

You ****ty little liar!
Steve

Oops! It's **** coming out of Steve's mouth again!

Doan

Doan wrote:

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

You ****ty little liar!
Steve

Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!

Doan

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Doan wrote:

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

You ****ty little liar!
Steve

Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!

Steve

That is what you get for sticking your nose in other people "busi-ass",
"never-spanked" boy! :-)

Doan

Doan wrote:

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Doan wrote:

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

You ****ty little liar!
Steve

Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!

Doan

That is what I get for sticking your nose in other people
"busi-ass", I'm such a ****-assed boy! :-)

Doan

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Doan wrote:

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Doan wrote:

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

You ****ty little liar!
Steve

Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!

Steve

That is what I get for sticking your nose in other people
"busi-ass", I'm such a ****-assed boy! :-)

Steve

It's not my nose, it's your mouth, "never-spanked" boy! :-)

Doan

Doan wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

You ****ty little liar!
Steve

Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!

Doan

That is what you get for sticking your nose in other people
"busi-ass", you're such a ****-assed boy! :-)

Steve

It's not my nose, it's my mouth, "never-spanked" boy! :-)

Doan
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That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
Steve