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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Scurvy This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies. The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research: * * * It has always been the drug companies, health authorities and medical professions argument that "children will die" to scare parents into vaccinating. When that is shown to be fallacious with hard fact they change their position as you have to argue something else. Health authorities refuse to carry out long term studies by independent, unbiased objective researchers of total health outcomes between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. These would provide hard data to compare differences on the extent of mortality and adverse effects of vaccines compared to diseases. This would reveal the extent of asthma, allergy, diabetes, SIDS, arthritis and many more conditions which kill and/or debilitate for life and permit a risk/risk comparison of vaccines vs no vaccines. Can you cite a single such study? Do you expect the world to take your word for it? But these kinds of studies would end all argument and demonstrate the risks of the vaccines more clearly. Don't you think this is important? Why are these studies not done? Not one paediatric vaccine has been tested in double blinded controlled randomised trials. The controlled trials which are carried out use another vaccine as "placebo" of similarly untested safety [and this invalidates the trials]. The vaccines are also tested only on healthy individuals but then given to all regardless of risk. -- Carole www.conspiracee.com "There are known knowns - there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns - there are things we don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day
in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008. There are just as many poor people now as then. The answer: vaccinations. And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine preventable diseases in rich countries if the population is not vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but even with good nutrition, people still die. The only way to lower deaths and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate. Jeff |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008. There are just as many poor people now as then. The answer: vaccinations. And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine preventable diseases in rich countries if the population is not vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but even with good nutrition, people still die. The only way to lower deaths and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate. Jeff Did you read the article or even look at it? http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...as_Mort_UK_USA Say thankyou carole. -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
On 11/2/10 7:38 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ... Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008. There are just as many poor people now as then. The answer: vaccinations. And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine preventable diseases in rich countries if the population is not vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but even with good nutrition, people still die. The only way to lower deaths and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate. Jeff Did you read the article or even look at it? http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...as_Mort_UK_USA Say thankyou carole. Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. However, the site is a good example of misuse of graphs. The graphs are poorly legible. It is a good example of misinformation. Jeff |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 11/2/10 7:38 PM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008. There are just as many poor people now as then. The answer: vaccinations. And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine preventable diseases in rich countries if the population is not vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but even with good nutrition, people still die. The only way to lower deaths and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate. Jeff Did you read the article or even look at it? http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...as_Mort_UK_USA Say thankyou carole. Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/ "You make several other errors. You say "You never show us the data from before the vaccine was introduced". Go back and look again. Other than for smallpox, the data goes back decades before the vaccines and shows the far more dramatic falls in mortality rates without vaccines. Do you think the natural falls in mortality simply stopped just because a vaccine was introduced? Of course not." Further - "Not one paediatric vaccine has been tested in double blinded controlled randomised trials. The controlled trials which are carried out use another vaccine as "placebo" of similarly untested safety [and this invalidates the trials]. The vaccines are also tested only on healthy individuals but then given to all regardless of risk." However, the site is a good example of misuse of graphs. The graphs are poorly legible. It is a good example of misinformation. Oh diddums ...can't handle the truth Dr Jeff, goes into denial mode. Jeff -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"carole" wrote in
nd.com: Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Scurvy You might just as well cite WorldNutDaily - both are equally reliable sources. That is to say, they're not one bit reliable. As for the real effect of vaccines, try this one: http://www.uvm.edu/~bwilcke/ehreth.pdf It's an article on the global value of vaccination, and it is easy to understand. Not much complex terminology in it. -- There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop out. -Richard Dawkins |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"carole" wrote in
nd.com: Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates, and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced. -- Homeopathy and its ilk are not the problem in themselves, other than that they are symptomatic of a deeper issue, and that is the propensity of people to (easily) fall victim to magical thinking. If people would learn to think critically as a matter of course then homeopathy, chiropractic, reiki etc would take care of themselves. -Jeff Keogh |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in nd.com: Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates, and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced. -- Crap deleted -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in nd.com: Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Scurvy You might just as well cite WorldNutDaily - both are equally reliable sources. That is to say, they're not one bit reliable. As for the real effect of vaccines, try this one: http://www.uvm.edu/~bwilcke/ehreth.pdf It's an article on the global value of vaccination, and it is easy to understand. Not much complex terminology in it. crap deleted -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"carole" wrote in news:xI5Ao.1246$gM3.795
@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com: "Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in nd.com: Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates, and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced. -- Crap deleted How about dealing with the actual point instead of sounding like Jan? -- Alternative medicine is defined as that set of practices that cannot be tested, refuse to be tested, or consistently fail tests. - Richard Dawkins |
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