Ilena Rosenthal, Bart Ross and Joe McCarthy

In the news today is the story of Bart Ross, the alleged murderer of the
husband and mother of a federal judge. The news reports that the police had
found his "list included a dozen local lawyers, Attorney General John
Ashcroft, the U.S. Supreme Court and other federal judges."

Sen. Joe McCarthy had his lists.

Ilena Rosenthal has her lists.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:54:38 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark
wrote:

Sen. Joe McCarthy had his lists.


Stephen Barrett and the other Quacks have their lists:

Very revealing letter of the quack tactics of Barrett's Guerrillas ...

http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/quack.html

NCAHF Posts Names of 2,500 Physicians on Quack List
Originally published July 1997
Lyn Behrens, PhD
President, Loma Linda University
Loma Linda, California 92350

Dear President Behrens:

This letter responds to yours of April 22 in which you responded to a
written complaint I submitted concerning facts and circumstances
surrounding acts of suppression of speech at a public forum held at
Loma Linda University. As you know, the forum was under the control of
Loma Linda University professor William Jarvis, PhD. The lecture
entitled 'Cancer Quackery: What You Should Know!' was open to the
public and held at the University's Wong Kerlee Conference Center in
the Cancer Research Pavilion. Fliers announcing the event invited
members of the public to attend without charge. Microphones were
available for members of the public who wished to express a view or
ask a question.

When I and three others who shared a similar viewpoint rose to correct
inaccuracies and defamatory remarks made by Dr. Jarvis against Dr.
Stanislaw Burzynski, Dr. Jarvis refused to permit us to express these
views and ordered University security police to escort three of us
from the lecture hall.

Your letter explains that the matter is under investigation. In that
regard, I wish to supplement the record with additional information.
As I pointed out in my original complaint Dr. William Jarvis is the
President of an entity known as the National Council Against Health
Fraud (NCAHF). The University's address property, and stationery have
been by Dr. Jarvis in the performance of hi duties for NCAHF. Records
of the NCAHF are housed at his university office. Dr. Jarvis holds
NCAHF events at the University. He makes frequent reference to his
University affiliation while performing duties for his NCAHF.

Dr. Jarvis' NCAHF is a controversial organization whose members
crusade across the nation against specific, named practitioners whom
they condemn as 'quacks' or 'frauds' in public forum, in print, on the
air, and in judicial and administrative proceedings. Indeed, Dr.
Jarvis used the facilities of Loma Linda University and its lecture
hall to do precisely that at the recent Loma Linda event. He defamed
Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski by implying that he was a quack and a fraud.

Loma Linda should be deeply concerned that one of its professors has
elected to use its property, its name, and his University affiliation
to propagate rank character assassination and defamation against
health care practitioners.

Unfortunately, the NCAHF's anti quackery crusade is subjective and
results in defamation only. Dr. Jarvis and other NCAHF members usually
attack the character of their opponents, rather than the merits of
their views. Characteristically, as was Dr. Jarvis' attack on Dr.
Burzynski, NCAHF members harbor ignorance of key facts and frequently
lack a professional understanding of the science of the matter.

At the Loma Linda event, Dr. Jarvis identified Dr. Burzynski as a
typical example of a medical quack and fraud, but failed to mention
that after a two month trial Dr. Burzynski was acquitted of all fraud
charges, and not a single witness brought forth by the government to
testify against Dr. Burzynski questioned Dr. Burzynski's motives,
character or integrity. He also failed to mention that for almost six
months Dr. Burzynski's antineoplaston therapy has been undergoing
study in several dozen FDA-approved clinical trials, with Dr.
Burzynski as the principal investigator.

Dr. Jarvis chose to attack the honesty, character, integrity, and
personal characteristics of Dr. Burzynski. Such rank character
assassination is not only unbecoming of a professional but also
antithetical to educational dialogue at a University. Dr. Jarvis has
brought disrepute upon Loma Linda. His crusade seeks not only to
stifle opposing views but also to label those who express them as
frauds or quacks - the very antithesis of higher education. His
efforts convey the impression that Loma Linda University is not a
place where academic exchange of ideas and information is encouraged
but one where obvious overt bias and intolerance for dissenting views
predominate.

Unfortunately, the recent incident involving defamation against Dr.
Burzynski is not an isolated event. I offer four items for your
investigation that characterize the intent, actions, and consequences
of the NCAHF.

Item 1 - Deposition of Stephen Barrett, MD
The NCAHF recently attacked Dr. Shari Lieberman, RD, PhD, a
nutritionist and exercise physiologist in New York. Two of Dr. Jarvis'
fellow NCAHF board members defamed Dr. Lieberman, again without the
benefit of sound science or material facts.

Those NCAHF board members, Dr. Stephen Barrett and Ira Milner, RD,
testified against Dr. Lieberman at a hearing they themselves
instigated before the American Dietetic Association (ADA) which
resulted in the ADA publicly stripping Dr. Lieberman of her registered
dietitian (RD) credential. As you would imagine, this caused her loss
of prestige and credibility, hurt her financially, and caused her
public humiliation. In their testimony to the ADA, the two represented
themselves to be knowledgeable about several specific aspects of
nutrition science, yet neither had academic training nor publication
in those specific areas.

In the end, after the falsity of their charges came to light, the ADA
reinstated Dr. Leiberman's RD credential and published a statement
noting same in the ADA's Journal and Courier.

As the attached transcript from the Barrett deposition indicates,
NCAHF is a loose cannon that poses distinct liability risks for the
University. Under cross examination, Dr. Barrett admitted that he was
not in fact, an expert in nutrition science, describing himself
instead as an expert in 'consumer strategy' and a "journalist.' This
deposition clearly showed that Dr. Barrett did not have a thorough
grounding in the scientific research relevant to the serious charges
he made against Dr. Lieberman that caused her substantial harm.

Item 2 - Findings of Fact, and Opinion, and Final Adjudication of the
Regents of the University of the State of New York
Victor Herbert, MD, a long-time board member of NCAHF, apparently
implemented judicial proceedings against Warren Levin, MD, in New York
State. The proceedings were initially opened in 1980, apparently due
to a complaint by Dr. Herbert against Dr. Levin. The case was finally
adjudicated in Dr. Levin's favor, 14 years later in November 1994. Dr.
Levin was forced to declare personal and professional bankruptcy as a
result of the legal costs, but he remained in medical practice the
entire time, and is in full-time medical practice at this time.

Dr. Herbert apparently was the only one who complained about Dr.
Levin. There were no patient complaints. As President of Loma Linda
University, you should have particular interest in the findings of
fact, opinions, and adjudication of the Regents of the University of
the State of New York. Their harsh assessment of Dr. Victor Herbert
should cause you considerable concern, as it did me.

Dr. Herbert, long-term NCAHF Board member, was virtually
uncontrollable in a court of law. The Regents noted that "Dr. V.H.
many times in his testimony used inflammatory language, volunteered
characterizations and editorials, offered information which was beyond
and not responsive to the questions posed, subjected respondent and
his attorney to ad hominem attacks, and utilized other tactics to show
that respondent was guilty by association with others.' In spite of
numerous sustained objections from Dr. Levin's attorney, Victor
Herbert repeatedly and inappropriately used slanderous terms such as
'liar," 'quack,' 'obnoxious,' "vicious,' and "scumbag." He frequently
used the term "fraud,' according to the Regents, 'regardless of
whether he was answering a question posed by the respondent's
attorney, petitioner's attorney, or the hearing committee or whether
it was responsive to the question posed.' As the Regents pointed out,
these "personal attacks on respondent and characterizations [while]
testifying to the ultimate issue in dispute were improper.' That these
proceedings were allowed to continue in this vein should concern
anyone who values the basic tenets of a free society.

I received an amusing letter from Richard Hart, MD, Dean of the School
of Public Health that concluded that armed security police were
necessary because I was "rather disruptive and forceful in trying to
obtain control of the microphone....'

Nothing could be further from the truth. Offering an informed opinion
through an open mike is certainly not disruptive. An open lecture that
invites public comments cannot lawfully deny contrary views under
California's constitution. I suspect that Dr. Hart's finding of fact
and opinion would be difficult to sustain under judicial scrutiny.
Please inform Dr. Hart that he is to preserve all documents,
recordings, and other materials that he used to come to his
conclusion, and that their loss would be neither appropriate nor
helpful.

You might wish to send Dr. Hart the Regents of the University of the
State of New York's assessment of Victor Herbert, Board Member of the
NCAHF, to broaden his (Dr. Hart's) under-standing of the word
"disruptive.'


Item 3 - Persons on the Quack List Data Base
I have also enclosed a list of 2,551 names, with a computer-generated
numerical ID, compiled by Dr. John Renner, board member of the NCAHF,
and titled "Persons on the Quack List Data Base.' There is evidence
that the NCAHF has disseminated this list, or perhaps even sold it to
medical insurance companies for the purpose of interfering with the
payments for medical services provided by those on the list. There is
good evidence that it is sent to state medical boards and other
entities in an effort to harm professionally those on the list.
Persons so listed are never informed that they are listed, nor
informed as to who receives this list or why.
Obviously, considering the number of physicians listed, the only
criteria for being added to this defamatory list would be the
'opinions' of those within the NCAHF. Please note that the list
includes 1,137 MDs, 167 PhDs, 236 DOs, 79 DDSS, 228 DCs, and 441
others (BS, RN, ND, HMD, CSW, MSN). There are 52 double doctorates on
the list, with two or more of the following degrees, MD, PhD, DO, DDS,
DVM, DMD. Many have university affiliation, have published in the
peer-review literature, and are respected authors of books or even
textbooks.

Please note that this 'quack' list includes Linus Pauling, PhD.

Linus Pauling is the only individual to have won two unshared Nobel
Prizes, and virtually every other award for scientific achievement,
both national and international. In the 1970s the editors of the
British New Scientist listed Dr. Pauling as one of the top 20
scientists of all time. Albert Einstein was the only other scientist
in the 20th century listed along with Aristotle, Gallileo, Isaac
Newton, and Michael Faraday.

In the recently published book, Scientific Genius, The 20 Greatest
Minds of All Time, by Jim Glenn (Crescent Books, 1996). Linus Pauling
is again listed along with Archimedes, Gregor Mendel, William Harvey,
Charles Darwin, and Rend Descartes. Linus Pauling's achievements
should be lauded, not besmirched with this outrageously inexcusable
label of quack. As President of Loma Linda University, does it concern
you that Dr. Jarvis' NCAHF, a small group of about four men of no
significant distinction in ,the scientific arena, would 'secretly'
list Dr. Pauling as a 'quack,' and would actually send or sell this
list to others in the scientific or health field? Does it concern you
that the NCAHF is housed on the Loma Linda campus and by implication,
this clandestine and highly defamatory practice is condoned by the
University?

I will be communicating with each individual on this list, informing
them that this list or data similar to it is maintained and updated by
John Renner, MD, board member of NCAHF, and that the offices of NCAHF
are housed-on the campus of Loma Linda University. I will be
instructing each person contacted to address any questions or concerns
they may have concerning their defamatory labeling to you, the
President of Loma Linda University. I have already contacted the Linus
Pauling Institute and the Pauling family.

Item 4 - Quacks Condensed List
Benjamin R. Wilson, MD, working with John H. Renner, MD, compiled a
list of 1,500 which he called the 'Condensed Quack List.' After the
practitioner's degree, or degrees, Dr. Wilson lists two indices called
the NI and DDL. NI stands for 'Notoriety Index' which is a function of
the number of 'quack' organizations or academic groups the individual
has joined. Thus "guilt by association' is elevated to new heights in
that it is now numerically quantified and recorded. The DDI is the
Ding Dong Index' - a score reflecting the most nonsensical or
dangerous dubious procedures and/or illnesses they treat.

Please note that one way to get on the quack list is to simply join or
donate to any group or organization that the NCAHF deems to be quack.
Of course, the legality and charter of the group is irrelevant to the
NCAHF. The fact that the group may be for professionals only and puts
on regular scientific sessions that are approved for CME educational
credit for MDs and DOs is irrelevant to those marching with the NCAHF.

Incredibly, Dr. Wilson will put you on the 'quack list' if you are
listed as a donor to the National Health Federation, a chartered and
legal organization. This qualifies 'the quack' for the highest
Notoriety Index: a 10. Whereas the donor list of the NHF is public,
the 'quack list' with its additional indices is clandestine, and is
meant to cause harm.

Your letter stated that you were going to investigate this matter. I
believe that it is inappropriate to look upon the action of Dr. Jarvis
as an isolated incident. I believe that the action of Dr. Jarvis is
typical of the NCAHF. I trust that this material will enhance your
understanding of the NCAHF and their potential liability for the
University.

I am requesting two things from Loma Linda University.

First, an Opportunity for Counterspeech.

Under California constitutional law, a private establishment that
opens a forum to the public may not engage in viewpoint
discrimination. Loma Linda (through the agency of Dr. Jarvis) violated
the rights of those who wished to express a viewpoint contrary to Dr.
Jarvis when Dr. Jarvis refused to permit such views during the
question-and answer segment of the lecture. I respectfully request
that the University correct this injustice by holding another forum to
permit each of those ejected from the lecture hall to express their
contrary viewpoints.

The forum should be held at the same time, for the same length as the
original one, and at the same location (a larger room will likely be
necessary). It should again be open to the public, and it should be
promoted and advertised in the same manner as the first, inviting
members of the public to attend and hear a rebuttal.

Secondly, A letter of clarification. I respectfully request a letter
from you, - President of Loma Linda University, clarifying the status
of the NCAHF at the University. Please be specific in answering the
following questions. Does the University authorize the. use of its
property, stationery, name and reputation by the NCAHF and by Dr.
Jarvis in connection with and in support of the NCAHF's activities?
Does the University condone Dr. Jarvis' use of his University office
to house files and property to traffic in lists of "quacks'
substantiated by no objective evidence other than the .opinions' of
those aligned with NCAHF?

Does the University agree that it was appropriate to give Linus
Pauling, PhD, this pejorative label, and that such files defaming Dr.
Pauling and others could possibly be kept by Dr. Jarvis at the
University, or flow through his hands, in his University office? Does
the University condone Dr. Jarvis' reliance on the University
reputation to promote the NCAHF, an organization that is essentially
run by four irrational zealots whose obvious agenda is to cleanse the
medical profession of 'undesirables' and to purge society of all other
healing arts?

Please respond to these queries at your earliest convenience. Please
be assured that I hold the University responsible for the actions of
NCAHF both past and present.

Julian M. Whitaker, MD
The Whitaker Wellness Institute
4321 Birch, Suite 100
Newport Beach, California 92660 USA
714-851-1550
Fax 714-955-3005

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:54:38 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark
wrote:

Sen. Joe McCarthy had his lists.


Stephen Barrett and the other Quacks have their lists:

Originally published July 1997

Nearly 8 years old. For other current lists:

In the news today is the story of Bart Ross, the alleged murderer of the
husband and mother of a federal judge. The news reports that the police had
found his "list included a dozen local lawyers, Attorney General John
Ashcroft, the U.S. Supreme Court and other federal judges."

Ilena Rosenthal has her lists.

Strange how people like you, McCarthy and Bart Ross make lists.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:12:59 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark
wrote:



Stephen Barrett and the other Quacks have their lists:



Strange how people like Stephen Barrett,, McCarthy and Bart Ross make lists.

Very revealing letter of the quack tactics of Barrett's Guerrillas ...

http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/quack.html

NCAHF Posts Names of 2,500 Physicians on Quack List
Originally published July 1997
Lyn Behrens, PhD
President, Loma Linda University
Loma Linda, California 92350

Dear President Behrens:

This letter responds to yours of April 22 in which you responded to a
written complaint I submitted concerning facts and circumstances
surrounding acts of suppression of speech at a public forum held at
Loma Linda University. As you know, the forum was under the control of
Loma Linda University professor William Jarvis, PhD. The lecture
entitled 'Cancer Quackery: What You Should Know!' was open to the
public and held at the University's Wong Kerlee Conference Center in
the Cancer Research Pavilion. Fliers announcing the event invited
members of the public to attend without charge. Microphones were
available for members of the public who wished to express a view or
ask a question.

When I and three others who shared a similar viewpoint rose to correct
inaccuracies and defamatory remarks made by Dr. Jarvis against Dr.
Stanislaw Burzynski, Dr. Jarvis refused to permit us to express these
views and ordered University security police to escort three of us
from the lecture hall.

Your letter explains that the matter is under investigation. In that
regard, I wish to supplement the record with additional information.
As I pointed out in my original complaint Dr. William Jarvis is the
President of an entity known as the National Council Against Health
Fraud (NCAHF). The University's address property, and stationery have
been by Dr. Jarvis in the performance of hi duties for NCAHF. Records
of the NCAHF are housed at his university office. Dr. Jarvis holds
NCAHF events at the University. He makes frequent reference to his
University affiliation while performing duties for his NCAHF.

Dr. Jarvis' NCAHF is a controversial organization whose members
crusade across the nation against specific, named practitioners whom
they condemn as 'quacks' or 'frauds' in public forum, in print, on the
air, and in judicial and administrative proceedings. Indeed, Dr.
Jarvis used the facilities of Loma Linda University and its lecture
hall to do precisely that at the recent Loma Linda event. He defamed
Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski by implying that he was a quack and a fraud.

Loma Linda should be deeply concerned that one of its professors has
elected to use its property, its name, and his University affiliation
to propagate rank character assassination and defamation against
health care practitioners.

Unfortunately, the NCAHF's anti quackery crusade is subjective and
results in defamation only. Dr. Jarvis and other NCAHF members usually
attack the character of their opponents, rather than the merits of
their views. Characteristically, as was Dr. Jarvis' attack on Dr.
Burzynski, NCAHF members harbor ignorance of key facts and frequently
lack a professional understanding of the science of the matter.

At the Loma Linda event, Dr. Jarvis identified Dr. Burzynski as a
typical example of a medical quack and fraud, but failed to mention
that after a two month trial Dr. Burzynski was acquitted of all fraud
charges, and not a single witness brought forth by the government to
testify against Dr. Burzynski questioned Dr. Burzynski's motives,
character or integrity. He also failed to mention that for almost six
months Dr. Burzynski's antineoplaston therapy has been undergoing
study in several dozen FDA-approved clinical trials, with Dr.
Burzynski as the principal investigator.

Dr. Jarvis chose to attack the honesty, character, integrity, and
personal characteristics of Dr. Burzynski. Such rank character
assassination is not only unbecoming of a professional but also
antithetical to educational dialogue at a University. Dr. Jarvis has
brought disrepute upon Loma Linda. His crusade seeks not only to
stifle opposing views but also to label those who express them as
frauds or quacks - the very antithesis of higher education. His
efforts convey the impression that Loma Linda University is not a
place where academic exchange of ideas and information is encouraged
but one where obvious overt bias and intolerance for dissenting views
predominate.

Unfortunately, the recent incident involving defamation against Dr.
Burzynski is not an isolated event. I offer four items for your
investigation that characterize the intent, actions, and consequences
of the NCAHF.

Item 1 - Deposition of Stephen Barrett, MD
The NCAHF recently attacked Dr. Shari Lieberman, RD, PhD, a
nutritionist and exercise physiologist in New York. Two of Dr. Jarvis'
fellow NCAHF board members defamed Dr. Lieberman, again without the
benefit of sound science or material facts.

Those NCAHF board members, Dr. Stephen Barrett and Ira Milner, RD,
testified against Dr. Lieberman at a hearing they themselves
instigated before the American Dietetic Association (ADA) which
resulted in the ADA publicly stripping Dr. Lieberman of her registered
dietitian (RD) credential. As you would imagine, this caused her loss
of prestige and credibility, hurt her financially, and caused her
public humiliation. In their testimony to the ADA, the two represented
themselves to be knowledgeable about several specific aspects of
nutrition science, yet neither had academic training nor publication
in those specific areas.

In the end, after the falsity of their charges came to light, the ADA
reinstated Dr. Leiberman's RD credential and published a statement
noting same in the ADA's Journal and Courier.

As the attached transcript from the Barrett deposition indicates,
NCAHF is a loose cannon that poses distinct liability risks for the
University. Under cross examination, Dr. Barrett admitted that he was
not in fact, an expert in nutrition science, describing himself
instead as an expert in 'consumer strategy' and a "journalist.' This
deposition clearly showed that Dr. Barrett did not have a thorough
grounding in the scientific research relevant to the serious charges
he made against Dr. Lieberman that caused her substantial harm.

Item 2 - Findings of Fact, and Opinion, and Final Adjudication of the
Regents of the University of the State of New York
Victor Herbert, MD, a long-time board member of NCAHF, apparently
implemented judicial proceedings against Warren Levin, MD, in New York
State. The proceedings were initially opened in 1980, apparently due
to a complaint by Dr. Herbert against Dr. Levin. The case was finally
adjudicated in Dr. Levin's favor, 14 years later in November 1994. Dr.
Levin was forced to declare personal and professional bankruptcy as a
result of the legal costs, but he remained in medical practice the
entire time, and is in full-time medical practice at this time.

Dr. Herbert apparently was the only one who complained about Dr.
Levin. There were no patient complaints. As President of Loma Linda
University, you should have particular interest in the findings of
fact, opinions, and adjudication of the Regents of the University of
the State of New York. Their harsh assessment of Dr. Victor Herbert
should cause you considerable concern, as it did me.

Dr. Herbert, long-term NCAHF Board member, was virtually
uncontrollable in a court of law. The Regents noted that "Dr. V.H.
many times in his testimony used inflammatory language, volunteered
characterizations and editorials, offered information which was beyond
and not responsive to the questions posed, subjected respondent and
his attorney to ad hominem attacks, and utilized other tactics to show
that respondent was guilty by association with others.' In spite of
numerous sustained objections from Dr. Levin's attorney, Victor
Herbert repeatedly and inappropriately used slanderous terms such as
'liar," 'quack,' 'obnoxious,' "vicious,' and "scumbag." He frequently
used the term "fraud,' according to the Regents, 'regardless of
whether he was answering a question posed by the respondent's
attorney, petitioner's attorney, or the hearing committee or whether
it was responsive to the question posed.' As the Regents pointed out,
these "personal attacks on respondent and characterizations [while]
testifying to the ultimate issue in dispute were improper.' That these
proceedings were allowed to continue in this vein should concern
anyone who values the basic tenets of a free society.

I received an amusing letter from Richard Hart, MD, Dean of the School
of Public Health that concluded that armed security police were
necessary because I was "rather disruptive and forceful in trying to
obtain control of the microphone....'

Nothing could be further from the truth. Offering an informed opinion
through an open mike is certainly not disruptive. An open lecture that
invites public comments cannot lawfully deny contrary views under
California's constitution. I suspect that Dr. Hart's finding of fact
and opinion would be difficult to sustain under judicial scrutiny.
Please inform Dr. Hart that he is to preserve all documents,
recordings, and other materials that he used to come to his
conclusion, and that their loss would be neither appropriate nor
helpful.

You might wish to send Dr. Hart the Regents of the University of the
State of New York's assessment of Victor Herbert, Board Member of the
NCAHF, to broaden his (Dr. Hart's) under-standing of the word
"disruptive.'


Item 3 - Persons on the Quack List Data Base
I have also enclosed a list of 2,551 names, with a computer-generated
numerical ID, compiled by Dr. John Renner, board member of the NCAHF,
and titled "Persons on the Quack List Data Base.' There is evidence
that the NCAHF has disseminated this list, or perhaps even sold it to
medical insurance companies for the purpose of interfering with the
payments for medical services provided by those on the list. There is
good evidence that it is sent to state medical boards and other
entities in an effort to harm professionally those on the list.
Persons so listed are never informed that they are listed, nor
informed as to who receives this list or why.
Obviously, considering the number of physicians listed, the only
criteria for being added to this defamatory list would be the
'opinions' of those within the NCAHF. Please note that the list
includes 1,137 MDs, 167 PhDs, 236 DOs, 79 DDSS, 228 DCs, and 441
others (BS, RN, ND, HMD, CSW, MSN). There are 52 double doctorates on
the list, with two or more of the following degrees, MD, PhD, DO, DDS,
DVM, DMD. Many have university affiliation, have published in the
peer-review literature, and are respected authors of books or even
textbooks.

Please note that this 'quack' list includes Linus Pauling, PhD.

Linus Pauling is the only individual to have won two unshared Nobel
Prizes, and virtually every other award for scientific achievement,
both national and international. In the 1970s the editors of the
British New Scientist listed Dr. Pauling as one of the top 20
scientists of all time. Albert Einstein was the only other scientist
in the 20th century listed along with Aristotle, Gallileo, Isaac
Newton, and Michael Faraday.

In the recently published book, Scientific Genius, The 20 Greatest
Minds of All Time, by Jim Glenn (Crescent Books, 1996). Linus Pauling
is again listed along with Archimedes, Gregor Mendel, William Harvey,
Charles Darwin, and Rend Descartes. Linus Pauling's achievements
should be lauded, not besmirched with this outrageously inexcusable
label of quack. As President of Loma Linda University, does it concern
you that Dr. Jarvis' NCAHF, a small group of about four men of no
significant distinction in ,the scientific arena, would 'secretly'
list Dr. Pauling as a 'quack,' and would actually send or sell this
list to others in the scientific or health field? Does it concern you
that the NCAHF is housed on the Loma Linda campus and by implication,
this clandestine and highly defamatory practice is condoned by the
University?

I will be communicating with each individual on this list, informing
them that this list or data similar to it is maintained and updated by
John Renner, MD, board member of NCAHF, and that the offices of NCAHF
are housed-on the campus of Loma Linda University. I will be
instructing each person contacted to address any questions or concerns
they may have concerning their defamatory labeling to you, the
President of Loma Linda University. I have already contacted the Linus
Pauling Institute and the Pauling family.

Item 4 - Quacks Condensed List
Benjamin R. Wilson, MD, working with John H. Renner, MD, compiled a
list of 1,500 which he called the 'Condensed Quack List.' After the
practitioner's degree, or degrees, Dr. Wilson lists two indices called
the NI and DDL. NI stands for 'Notoriety Index' which is a function of
the number of 'quack' organizations or academic groups the individual
has joined. Thus "guilt by association' is elevated to new heights in
that it is now numerically quantified and recorded. The DDI is the
Ding Dong Index' - a score reflecting the most nonsensical or
dangerous dubious procedures and/or illnesses they treat.

Please note that one way to get on the quack list is to simply join or
donate to any group or organization that the NCAHF deems to be quack.
Of course, the legality and charter of the group is irrelevant to the
NCAHF. The fact that the group may be for professionals only and puts
on regular scientific sessions that are approved for CME educational
credit for MDs and DOs is irrelevant to those marching with the NCAHF.

Incredibly, Dr. Wilson will put you on the 'quack list' if you are
listed as a donor to the National Health Federation, a chartered and
legal organization. This qualifies 'the quack' for the highest
Notoriety Index: a 10. Whereas the donor list of the NHF is public,
the 'quack list' with its additional indices is clandestine, and is
meant to cause harm.

Your letter stated that you were going to investigate this matter. I
believe that it is inappropriate to look upon the action of Dr. Jarvis
as an isolated incident. I believe that the action of Dr. Jarvis is
typical of the NCAHF. I trust that this material will enhance your
understanding of the NCAHF and their potential liability for the
University.

I am requesting two things from Loma Linda University.

First, an Opportunity for Counterspeech.

Under California constitutional law, a private establishment that
opens a forum to the public may not engage in viewpoint
discrimination. Loma Linda (through the agency of Dr. Jarvis) violated
the rights of those who wished to express a viewpoint contrary to Dr.
Jarvis when Dr. Jarvis refused to permit such views during the
question-and answer segment of the lecture. I respectfully request
that the University correct this injustice by holding another forum to
permit each of those ejected from the lecture hall to express their
contrary viewpoints.

The forum should be held at the same time, for the same length as the
original one, and at the same location (a larger room will likely be
necessary). It should again be open to the public, and it should be
promoted and advertised in the same manner as the first, inviting
members of the public to attend and hear a rebuttal.

Secondly, A letter of clarification. I respectfully request a letter
from you, - President of Loma Linda University, clarifying the status
of the NCAHF at the University. Please be specific in answering the
following questions. Does the University authorize the. use of its
property, stationery, name and reputation by the NCAHF and by Dr.
Jarvis in connection with and in support of the NCAHF's activities?
Does the University condone Dr. Jarvis' use of his University office
to house files and property to traffic in lists of "quacks'
substantiated by no objective evidence other than the .opinions' of
those aligned with NCAHF?

Does the University agree that it was appropriate to give Linus
Pauling, PhD, this pejorative label, and that such files defaming Dr.
Pauling and others could possibly be kept by Dr. Jarvis at the
University, or flow through his hands, in his University office? Does
the University condone Dr. Jarvis' reliance on the University
reputation to promote the NCAHF, an organization that is essentially
run by four irrational zealots whose obvious agenda is to cleanse the
medical profession of 'undesirables' and to purge society of all other
healing arts?

Please respond to these queries at your earliest convenience. Please
be assured that I hold the University responsible for the actions of
NCAHF both past and present.

Julian M. Whitaker, MD
The Whitaker Wellness Institute
4321 Birch, Suite 100
Newport Beach, California 92660 USA
714-851-1550
Fax 714-955-3005

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:12:59 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark
wrote:



Stephen Barrett and the other Quacks have their lists:



Strange how people like Stephen Barrett,, McCarthy and Bart Ross make
lists.

Tsk! Tsk! Altering substance...and not addressing YOUR behavior...

In the news today is the story of Bart Ross, the alleged murderer of the
husband and mother of a federal judge. The news reports that the police had
found his "list included a dozen local lawyers, Attorney General John
Ashcroft, the U.S. Supreme Court and other federal judges."

Ilena Rosenthal has her lists.

Strange how people like you, McCarthy and Bart Ross make lists.

RIDDLE:

If McCarthy was alive today, who would have more webpages about perceived
"enemies", Ilena or Joe?

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:23:04 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark
wrote:

If McCarthy was alive today, who would have more webpages about perceived
"enemies", Ilena or Joe?



LOL ... yup ... in Quacklandia where failed attorneys lie for their
handlers ... I only "perceived" the SLAPP suit against me.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...ersVsIlena.htm

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...sbandDisbarred
Mark S Probert's 'perception' of his law license bears no resemblance
to what the Supreme Court said.

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:23:04 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark
wrote:

If McCarthy was alive today, who would have more webpages about perceived
"enemies", Ilena or Joe?



LOL ...

Correct answer: Joe would be ****ed at being #2. Joe's "standards" were
similar to Ilena's.


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