As I have reported...

....the actual rate of child abuse is of far greater magnitude than is
official reported.

That child abuse of all kinds is under reported and when reported under
investigated is a fact.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...l/104/1/S1/168

" Comparison of Estimates of Child Maltreatment, 1993-1995

Enumerating reported cases of child abuse and neglect is merely one way
to assess the magnitude of the problem. Compared with other medical
conditions during childhood, the data indicate that more children are
affected by maltreatment than all other serious illnesses combined.
There also are many cases of abused and neglected children that do not
come to the attention of social service agencies. For example, in
studies of child abuse homicide, only 13% to 35% of the victims have
physical evidence or documented history of maltreatment.9,10 Waiting for
children to be identified by child protective services presumes that
"all abused children are detected, and second, that abuse is repetitive".10

In 1995, the Gallup Organization conducted a nationwide survey of
parents, exploring the means and range of "discipline" experienced by
children throughout the United States.11 Parents' self-reported
behaviors of apparent physical abuse occurred at a rate sixteen times
the official rate of abuse (Table 1). Levels of sexual abuse perpetrated
by an adult or older child known to the parent were greater than 10
times the official rate.

These statistics should serve notice that reported cases represent the
lower end of the confidence interval for abuse and neglect. Errors of
false-negative assessment are far more likely to be occurring than are
errors of false-positive reports."

(chart for above narrative at:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...04/1/S1/168/T1 )

As this information covers only the years of 93-95 it is unlikely the
numbers have decreased, but more likely, given the population increase,
these have gone up as well in the ensuing years.

For those of you that think "spanking" is not involved, have a look at
what Gallup was surveying: [from the above quote]

"... the Gallup Organization conducted a nationwide survey of parents,
exploring the means and range of "discipline" experienced by children
throughout the United States.11 Parents' self-reported behaviors of
apparent physical abuse occurred at a rate sixteen times the official
rate of abuse (Table 1)."

Sixteen times? Now try to figure out if there were actually a 1,000, to
2,000 fatalities AND hundreds of thousands of injuries.

Then, of course, there is the often voiced claim that parents do not
abuse their children in secret and cause medical conditions:

"The underlying assumption is that the parent is the practitioner's ally
in concern for the welfare of the child.25 This belief has been sorely
questioned by the study published recently involving the use of covert
video surveillance.

Two hospitals in the United Kingdom with technology for covert video
surveillance admitted 39 children with a history of an apparent
life-threatening event. There were concerns on the part of the
practitioners that the illnesses may have been induced. Southall and
colleagues reports that in 33 of the 39 cases initially presenting as an
apparent life-threatening event by parental history, there was shocking
video documentation of child physical abuse.25 This included attempts at
suffocation and poisoning; one child suffered a fracture of the upper
extremity. At baseline, it would be interesting to know how often do
parents lie or fabricate stories to doctors about their children, and
under what circumstances?"

I have viewed videos from those sources, by the way, and they were used
in a documentary some years back on national TV in the US. Obviously
hundreds of thousands of people saw those same images.

That ALL the liars in these newsgroups did NOT is beyond belief.

You people are lying or seriously mentally compromised.

Or, finally, seriously morally compromised if you saw them, remember
them, and continue with your lies for your personal reasons.

More children are abused, by far, than are reported, and if reported,
actually investigated. More are killed, obviously, because it is so very
difficult to track a small child's life. They can be killed and the
event covered up easily by a parent determined to do so.

Continue to be socially irresponsible, if you wish, but don't presume
you aren't obvious in your moral decay.

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

weren't you the one demanding a precise definition of
abuse...................weeeeeeeell, bitch, the university of north
carolina article not only fails to specifically define abuse, it offers
no concrete solutions...................still, the article does confirm
my may 15 words in the "better a child be eaten alive than become a
ward of the state!" thread when i posted, "the real killer is something
called structural violence".............structural violence includes
things such as designated poverty...............back on may 15, you
threw one of your little tantrums because i provided no
reference.............why should i when you provide them for
me..............i told you that you weren't smart enough to play this
game............thank you for proving me right..............

The Child Protection Services INDUSTRY thrives
on manufactured hysteria and imprecise definitions.

Greegor wrote:
The Child Protection Services INDUSTRY thrives
on manufactured hysteria and imprecise definitions.

The child abuse apologists thrive on this lie.



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

Greegor wrote:
The Child Protection Services INDUSTRY thrives
on manufactured hysteria and imprecise definitions.

Oh, does it?

Remember my predictions about meth you and others here, most especially
Doug, tried to minimize? Remember claims by you and them that meth is
not an epidemic. That OTHER substance abuse is more prevalent? That the
"hysteria" is all about getting larger budgets to support bloated
bureaucracies?

This is just ONE area of the country. Stories similar to this are being
played out in more and more places in the country.

The director of planning for substance abuse control and services in my
state is a personal friend. I asked him just a week ago at a conference
what the story was nationally. His reply amounted to "it's coming to
your town soon" kind of answer.

Now remember, he is NOT the "meth" planner, but the SUBSTANCE ABUSE
planner. So he has no particular investment in one drug or the other.
And I asked him that. He said unequivocally that Meth HAS surpassed all
other substances being abused by people, in all areas.


"Tyner notes, "Theoretically, children under 6 should move out of here
within 24 hours."

But they don't. Foster homes are backed up and children now stay at the
shelter for weeks or sometime months. Staff members say it feels more
like an orphanage than a shelter.

In 14 years, Tyner says he never thought he would see anything like
this. This new generation of helpless victims is an unforeseen problem
in the meth epidemic. The drug increases sexual drive. The result is
more babies, many of whom are neglected and sometimes even sexually
abused. As packed as the shelter is, it's better than home.

Tyner says, "Well at least no one here is trying to have sex with them;
no one is beating them, and they get fed on a regular basis."

Holding a baby from the shelter, Alfonsi points out the little girl is
less than a week old. A nurse says the girl is there because she tested
positive for drugs.

Workers usually have two children on their laps at any given time. It's
a struggle sometimes just to remember names. Cues cards tell their
stories. One reads: "Jacob 17 mo. can't walk."

Tyner says, "We're looking at a lot of formula, a lot of diapers we
hadn't planned on." "

The extent you abuse apologists with go to cover up for yourselves and
the child abusers is gross and sickening.

But keep it up.

You are becoming even MORE obvious as we proceed.

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--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

Greegor wrote:
The Child Protection Services INDUSTRY thrives
on manufactured hysteria and imprecise definitions.

Though Sherman had already posted the URL of the article that I took the
quote from in my previous post, I neglected to include it in my post.

Something YOU NEVER PROVIDE, by the way.

Here it is, again.

Enjoy your stupidity and your evil sick child and family hating life,
sicko..

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in709677.shtml




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

wrote:
weren't you the one demanding a precise definition of
abuse...................weeeeeeeell, bitch, the university of north
carolina article not only fails to specifically define abuse,

Oh, then you have one you've used as a model in determining theirs fails
in specificity? Please post it. It would be a contribution to humankind
you so obviously love and support.

it offers
no concrete solutions...................

Okay, how about yours then?

still, the article does confirm
my may 15 words in the "better a child be eaten alive than become a
ward of the state!" thread when i posted, "the real killer is something
called structural violence".............

Your babbling does not constitute anything, lil 'o' but babbling.

structural violence includes
things such as designated poverty...............

One is not impoverished unless it "designated poverty?"

The assumption that children are taken because the family is poor
ignores the problem and comes from the wrong end. All poor families, by
you claim then, would be targets of CPS.

Such is not the case.

What are the targets of CPS investigation does happen to occur more
often in low income families though.

back on may 15, you
threw one of your little tantrums because i provided no
reference.............

Nope. Just pointed out you don't provide them. Like now.

why should i when you provide them for
me..............

Nope. You have not successfully used my source to prove your point.

i told you that you weren't smart enough to play this
game............

You did? Why, I've forgotten that. I wonder why?

thank you for proving me right..............

You are entirely welcome, and I'm sure the observers of your claims are
enjoying the humor of the situation.

0:- I know I certainly am.





--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

ooooooooooooh, no.......................gregory doesn't have to prove
anything about cps................all he has to do is point out that
cps has a less than savory reputation and does not enjoy widespread
public support.....................there will be enough former cps
associates around with consciences to do the
rest......................just ask the irs how much damage former
employees can do to a pathological
bureaucracy..........................

]:^ runs around her dog lot barking you can't prove a
thing................you can't prove a thing................you can't
prove a thing................you can't prove a thing................you
can't prove a thing................you can't prove a
thing................you can't prove a thing.................

wrote:
ooooooooooooh, no.......................gregory doesn't have to prove
anything about cps................all he has to do is point out that
cps has a less than savory reputation and does not enjoy widespread
public support.....................there will be enough former cps
associates around with consciences to do the
rest......................

Seems like CPS in its present incarnation has been around since the 60's.

I can assume that there are more than enough ex employees to create
quite a large pool of whistle blowers.

Where are they please?

0:-





just ask the irs how much damage former
employees can do to a pathological
bureaucracy..........................

]:^ runs around her dog lot barking you can't prove a
thing................you can't prove a thing................you can't
prove a thing................you can't prove a thing................you
can't prove a thing................you can't prove a
thing................you can't prove a thing.................



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

wrote:
ooooooooooooh, no.......................gregory doesn't have to prove
anything about cps................all he has to do is point out that
cps has a less than savory reputation and does not enjoy widespread
public support.....................there will be enough former cps
associates around with consciences to do the
rest......................just ask the irs how much damage former
employees can do to a pathological
bureaucracy..........................

Funny you should mention them. When did they go out of business? I've
forgotten.

0:-


]:^ runs around her dog lot barking you can't prove a
thing................you can't prove a thing................you can't
prove a thing................you can't prove a thing................you
can't prove a thing................you can't prove a
thing................you can't prove a thing.................



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin