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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
Debate earlier today between a friend and I...
I've tried to do a bit of reseach and look for some informative information on the subject... Yes, I am aware that either smoking cigarettes or smoking pot are both probably not a fantastic idea during pregnancy, but does anyone know of any studies or have any valid information on the subject? My friend said they're both very, very bad to do during pregnancy. She was saying that pot is JUST as harmful as cigarettes. I said that since pot doesn't contain all the 'extras' (tar, formaldehyde, hydrogen cyanide, etc.) I figured it was probably not *as* harmful. I am NOT trying to prove who is right or wrong. We've kind of let it go as agreeing to disagree. Now it's kind of bugging me, and I'm looking for any info just to settle my own mind, but I can't seem to really find any information... Everywhere I've checked out said both are not recommended during pregnancy (duh) but there's nothing that I've found that says much else. Lots of people smoke during pregnancy and end up with your average, healthy, normal baby... I'm sure lots of people do pot as well and end up with the same. Is there any major known risks or problems that are known to be caused by pot during pregnancy? I'm not talking about a regular, daily basis - maybe something like once every couple weeks or so... Anyone have anything to comment with? |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
I don't know about frequency, but here's some info from the NIH (scroll
down to see it in place yourself): http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html Research has shown that some babies born to women who abused marijuana during their pregnancies display altered responses to visual stimuli28, increased tremulousness, and a high-pitched cry, which may indicate neurological problems in development29. During the preschool years, marijuana-exposed children have been observed to perform tasks involving sustained attention and memory more poorly than nonexposed children do30,31. In the school years, these children are more likely to exhibit deficits in problem-solving skills, memory, and the ability to remain attentive30. And here are the studies that paragraph cites: 28 Fried PA, Makin JE. Neonatal behavioural correlates of prenatal exposure to marihuana, cigarettes and alcohol in a low risk population. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 9(1):1-7, 1987. 29 Lester BM, Dreher M. Effects of marijuana use during pregnancy on newborn crying. Child Development 60(23/24):764-771, 1989. 30 Fried PA. The Ottawa prenatal prospective study (OPPS): Methodological issues and findings. It's easy to throw the baby out with the bath water. Life Sciences 56(23-24):2159-2168, 1995. 31 Fried PA, Smith AM. A literature review of the consequences of prenatal marihuana exposu An emerging theme of a deficiency in aspects of executive function. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 23(1):1-11, 2001. |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
xkatx wrote:
Debate earlier today between a friend and I... I've tried to do a bit of reseach and look for some informative information on the subject... Yes, I am aware that either smoking cigarettes or smoking pot are both probably not a fantastic idea during pregnancy, but does anyone know of any studies or have any valid information on the subject? My friend said they're both very, very bad to do during pregnancy. She was saying that pot is JUST as harmful as cigarettes. I said that since pot doesn't contain all the 'extras' (tar, formaldehyde, hydrogen cyanide, etc.) I figured it was probably not *as* harmful. I am NOT trying to prove who is right or wrong. We've kind of let it go as agreeing to disagree. Now it's kind of bugging me, and I'm looking for any info just to settle my own mind, but I can't seem to really find any information... Everywhere I've checked out said both are not recommended during pregnancy (duh) but there's nothing that I've found that says much else. Lots of people smoke during pregnancy and end up with your average, healthy, normal baby... I'm sure lots of people do pot as well and end up with the same. Is there any major known risks or problems that are known to be caused by pot during pregnancy? I'm not talking about a regular, daily basis - maybe something like once every couple weeks or so... Anyone have anything to comment with? My gut would agree with you, and here are a few reasons, off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing some really obvious issues in regards to THC, but oh well... 1. People who smoke cigarettes tend to smoke many per day, 10, 20, etc. People who tend to smoke pot, do not tend to do it all day long. Pot is not something that you can smoke as you stand on break outside your workplace, and the smell (much like cigarettes) lingers, so it's not like most people could toke up before work, and again at lunch. 2. The amount of smoke that people are inhaling into their lungs, regardless of the substance burning, would affect how much oxygen you are getting into your lungs, as well as how damaged and burnt your lungs are getting, and therefore how much oxygen you are capable of extracting from the air you are inhaling, whether currently inhaling smoke or not. Less is better than more. 3. Pot smokers may be more likely to be recreational/weekend smokers, whereas most cigarette smokers SMOKE, all day, every day. So a smoker may be more likely to be getting more "doses" of nicotine than a pot smoker would be getting "doses" of marijuana. 4. Nicotine supresses your appetite, marijuana increases the appetite. During the first trimester, if one had serious morning sickness, I could see that it would be preferable to be a pot smoker than a cigarette smoker. 5. Although tabacco is a natural substance, there are all sorts of preservatives and processing chemicals, that you mentioned above. Cannibus is also a natural substance, and most of the time it's just the dried buds, and you can see that it's just a nice dried flower bud that you are buying in that baggie. Although I guess that people could be mixing in other substances if you weren't careful and were getting prerolled joints. Personally speaking, I wouldn't do either when pregnant. But if I had to chose one to be worse, depending on the situation and amount, I'd guess that it was cigarettes that were worse. -- Jamie Earth Angels: Taylor Marlys, 1/3/03 Addison Grace, 9/30/04 Check out the family! -- www.MyFamily.com, User ID: Clarkguest1, Password: Guest Become a member for free - go to Add Member to set up your own User ID and Password |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
"Andrea Phillips" wrote in message oups.com... I don't know about frequency, but here's some info from the NIH (scroll down to see it in place yourself): http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html Research has shown that some babies born to women who abused marijuana during their pregnancies display altered responses to visual stimuli28, increased tremulousness, and a high-pitched cry, which may indicate neurological problems in development29. During the preschool years, marijuana-exposed children have been observed to perform tasks involving sustained attention and memory more poorly than nonexposed children do30,31. In the school years, these children are more likely to exhibit deficits in problem-solving skills, memory, and the ability to remain attentive30. Hm... Yes, that's about all I found, basically, saying it's not good, not recommended, not a good idea... But, almost everything seems to state that 'abuse' can cause long term problems... I, personally, don't consider 'abuse' to be every now and then, abuse would be, to me, more like a fairly regular or regular basis (like more like a daily thing, weekly thing, not really maybe once every couple weeks, and not just a one time thing every now and then... I could be wrong though, but I see a difference between use and abuse.... But... Again, I don't know as I have had very little luck on finding anything for, let's say for example, one joint on a Saturday night, everything seems to point more at one on a Saturday night, Sunday morning, Monday evening, Tuesday afternoon... And here are the studies that paragraph cites: 28 Fried PA, Makin JE. Neonatal behavioural correlates of prenatal exposure to marihuana, cigarettes and alcohol in a low risk population. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 9(1):1-7, 1987. 29 Lester BM, Dreher M. Effects of marijuana use during pregnancy on newborn crying. Child Development 60(23/24):764-771, 1989. 30 Fried PA. The Ottawa prenatal prospective study (OPPS): Methodological issues and findings. It's easy to throw the baby out with the bath water. Life Sciences 56(23-24):2159-2168, 1995. 31 Fried PA, Smith AM. A literature review of the consequences of prenatal marihuana exposu An emerging theme of a deficiency in aspects of executive function. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 23(1):1-11, 2001. |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
"Jamie Clark" wrote in message ... xkatx wrote: Debate earlier today between a friend and I... I've tried to do a bit of reseach and look for some informative information on the subject... Yes, I am aware that either smoking cigarettes or smoking pot are both probably not a fantastic idea during pregnancy, but does anyone know of any studies or have any valid information on the subject? My friend said they're both very, very bad to do during pregnancy. She was saying that pot is JUST as harmful as cigarettes. I said that since pot doesn't contain all the 'extras' (tar, formaldehyde, hydrogen cyanide, etc.) I figured it was probably not *as* harmful. I am NOT trying to prove who is right or wrong. We've kind of let it go as agreeing to disagree. Now it's kind of bugging me, and I'm looking for any info just to settle my own mind, but I can't seem to really find any information... Everywhere I've checked out said both are not recommended during pregnancy (duh) but there's nothing that I've found that says much else. Lots of people smoke during pregnancy and end up with your average, healthy, normal baby... I'm sure lots of people do pot as well and end up with the same. Is there any major known risks or problems that are known to be caused by pot during pregnancy? I'm not talking about a regular, daily basis - maybe something like once every couple weeks or so... Anyone have anything to comment with? My gut would agree with you, and here are a few reasons, off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing some really obvious issues in regards to THC, but oh well... 1. People who smoke cigarettes tend to smoke many per day, 10, 20, etc. People who tend to smoke pot, do not tend to do it all day long. Pot is not something that you can smoke as you stand on break outside your workplace, and the smell (much like cigarettes) lingers, so it's not like most people could toke up before work, and again at lunch. lol "Hey, wanna go out for a quick puff on that joint before the next client calls?" We'll just slip out the back door quickly since the restaurant is dead and toke one before that party of 8 is expected... Maybe the boss will want to join us real quick?? That would be the day... haha... 2. The amount of smoke that people are inhaling into their lungs, regardless of the substance burning, would affect how much oxygen you are getting into your lungs, as well as how damaged and burnt your lungs are getting, and therefore how much oxygen you are capable of extracting from the air you are inhaling, whether currently inhaling smoke or not. Less is better than more. 3. Pot smokers may be more likely to be recreational/weekend smokers, whereas most cigarette smokers SMOKE, all day, every day. So a smoker may be more likely to be getting more "doses" of nicotine than a pot smoker would be getting "doses" of marijuana. I know before being pg, I would smoke close to a pack a day (so probably about 20 cigarettes a day) Totally quit (due to it making me puke) when pg with either of the boys. Went back to smoking that same amount - around a pack a day - a bit after not being pg, cut down to about 10 a day when pg with DD, and kept it down to about 10 a day when we decided to make the house completely smoke-free. I found I was just too darn lazy to walk my butt outside to have a smoke, and even more so when it was winter and cold out For the pot, even lately, it's been a one time event - highlight of the night - if we manage to ditch the kids until the next morning with Grandma and Grandpa or something... And in that case, we would go out and about and that was that. No kids involved, not ever in the house - either being brought into the house to store/stash/hide/save for a rainy day or to smoke it. 4. Nicotine supresses your appetite, marijuana increases the appetite. During the first trimester, if one had serious morning sickness, I could see that it would be preferable to be a pot smoker than a cigarette smoker. 5. Although tabacco is a natural substance, there are all sorts of preservatives and processing chemicals, that you mentioned above. Cannibus is also a natural substance, and most of the time it's just the dried buds, and you can see that it's just a nice dried flower bud that you are buying in that baggie. Although I guess that people could be mixing in other substances if you weren't careful and were getting prerolled joints. Tobacco IS natural, but how 'natural' is it to be breathing in hydrogen cyanide? Carbon monoxide? We have little detectors for that deadly, no-smell gas. I've also yet to meet, or hear of a person, that adds a touch of tar and fromaldehyde in their growing pot plants, and can a person just dab a touch of benzene on their buds as they dry it out? If in the case of getting prerolled from who knows where, you have NO idea what you're actually getting, and quite frankly, that's just silly to do. It's almost like Halloween and eating candy with no wrappers from random house X. Personally speaking, I wouldn't do either when pregnant. But if I had to chose one to be worse, depending on the situation and amount, I'd guess that it was cigarettes that were worse. Well, I have turned down any pot since I found out we're expecting again. When we're out, child free, and go to a friend's house or something, people would look at me strange as to why I would decline, and more often than not, I'd excuse myself to the bathroom, car, outside if someone was lighting that garbage up, and even if there is more than one cigarette going in a house at a time, I have to excuse myself as well (I find this even worse now that we haven't smoked in OUR house for so long, the way a room fills up with smoke is just crazy.... Went to visit one friend a month or two ago, and of course, was offered, but I turned him down. I had the normal, "Aww, you wimp! You're no fun! What, can't have some and then drive home?" - the usual, and I just said it's none of that, I just don't want to... He then stopped, mid sentence, and said, "Omg... you're pregnant, aren't you! I know because that's the only time you'll turn it down if you have no kids to worry about!" and of course,what could I say? It's the truth. Made the choice to avoid it all together... Just can't/won't totally kick the nasty smoking, though... Even though I know it's not a good habit to have, pregnant or not! -- Jamie Earth Angels: Taylor Marlys, 1/3/03 Addison Grace, 9/30/04 Check out the family! -- www.MyFamily.com, User ID: Clarkguest1, Password: Guest Become a member for free - go to Add Member to set up your own User ID and Password |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
I'm no expert, but usually you have to mix pot with something to smoke it, I
understand that pipe tobacco is often used. So you might be removing some of the ingredients of cigarettes, but not that many. Plus cannabis itself has hundreds of different chemicals, the full effects of which are not fully known. So I'd think it was very relaxed of your friend to place it on an equal level and your logic that it wouldn't be as bad is not logical at all as it ignores all the things that are there. The link between cannabis and mental heath problems, even after stopping smoking it seems to be fairly well proven, it could have similar effects on the developing baby. Anne |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
Tobacco IS natural, but how 'natural' is it to be breathing in hydrogen
cyanide? Carbon monoxide? We have little detectors for that deadly, no-smell gas. I've also yet to meet, or hear of a person, that adds a touch of tar and fromaldehyde in their growing pot plants, and can a person just dab a touch of benzene on their buds as they dry it out? If in the case of getting prerolled from who knows where, you have NO idea what you're actually getting, and quite frankly, that's just silly to do. It's almost like Halloween and eating candy with no wrappers from random house X. carbon monoxide is produced when you burn something, it's a gas, not something that is added to cigarettes. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you get more from smoking your average joint than a bought cigarette as don't cigarettes have filters and what not. just because something is natural doesn't mean it doesn't contain nasty things, one plant contains hundreds of different chemicals any one of them could be harmful. I'd rather eat unwrapped candy from a random house than smoke pot, even if I'd grown the plant myself, ok, so there could be a criminal about wanting to poison children, but chances are they are just serving up something yummy they'd made themselves, I'd only avoid it if I knew I had allergies. Anne |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
Anne Rogers wrote:
I'm no expert, but usually you have to mix pot with something to smoke it, I understand that pipe tobacco is often used. So you might be removing some of the ingredients of cigarettes, but not that many. Although some people do mix tabacco and pot, most people I ever met smoked it straight. It might be a UK thing verses a US thing as well. People who I used to know who smoked pot, were not cig smokers, and wouldn't want to ruin the taste of their good pot with nasty old tabcco! -- Jamie Earth Angels: Taylor Marlys, 1/3/03 Addison Grace, 9/30/04 Check out the family! -- www.MyFamily.com, User ID: Clarkguest1, Password: Guest Become a member for free - go to Add Member to set up your own User ID and Password |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/cannabis/
cannabis contains more tar than tobacco, one of the extras you mention, which evidently isn't an extra, it's just there. Anne |
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Odd question... Cigarettes and marijuana??
"Anne Rogers" wrote in message ... I'm no expert, but usually you have to mix pot with something to smoke it, I understand that pipe tobacco is often used. No, there's not usually a reason to mix pot with tobacco, pipe tobacco or just cigarette tobacco... IF mixed, normally the reasons for that are to make it last just a bit longer, as you'd use a bit less per time since you've added tobacco, or if it's fairly fresh, real fresh, moist stuff, I believe, doesn't really roll nicely or burn nicely at all. Other than that, there's really no reason to mix it with tobacco, or anything else, really. So you might be removing some of the ingredients of cigarettes, but not that many. I could very well be wrong, but I believe there's tar in marijuana. Not much added extra, as I recall hearing is the case with tobacco. Plus cannabis itself has hundreds of different chemicals, the full effects of which are not fully known. Something like 400 or so different chemicals, or something like that... So I'd think it was very relaxed of your friend to place it on an equal level and your logic that it wouldn't be as bad is not logical at all as it ignores all the things that are there. But, the conversation was based on smoking cigarettes and having pot on an occasion. I believe it was Jamie that had one point... A tobacco smoker tends to smoke often. Normally what, half a pack to a pack a day? That is, by far, nowhere near the example that my friend and I had of an occasional joint at maybe a party or something. I've never really heard of a person that says, 'Oh yes, I smoke about one cigarette every couple weeks or so...' yet I have heard that from someone who has used or uses marijuana. I have heard, "I'm only interested in a joint once in a while." As Jamie said, the recreational pot smoker is not normally the person that wakes up in the morning, has a joint with their morning coffee and toast while reading their paper, has another one 2 hours later on the drive to work, goes for a pot-break in the morning at work, enjoys a hoot or two during their lunch, has another one on the way home from work, loves one right after supper, etc., but a smoker normally does. How can you compare a joint once maybe every couple weeks to a handful of cigarettes in a day? I just can't seem to make the connection. A person can enjoy a joint on occasion and still not be an abuser of it, the same way you can say you enjoy a beer after cutting the grass on a hot summer day and a glass of wine at Christmas... That doesn't make you an alcoholic, does it? And a beer on a hot summer day is not as unhealthy as drinking beer like it's water, I always thought... The link between cannabis and mental heath problems, even after stopping smoking it seems to be fairly well proven, it could have similar effects on the developing baby. Anne Yes, this link has been proven, but everywhere I've turned to, it has been proven with abuse and constant use over a period of time - either a lot in a short OR long period. I've never once heard of studies or anything proving problems with a little over a long period of time. This is mainly the information I've been searching for. Any problems, concerns or issues over seldome useage over a period of time... Not using once a day for 6 months, maybe using 6 times total over 6 months. |
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