BU$TED?

Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
First off, Jason, if you learn to use standard posting conventions, it
will make it *much* easier for folks to read your responses to others.
My comments to your post are interspersed below.

I brought this up to Jason some time ago. He says that he uses an old
Mac, and that his newsreader does not handle quoting. His header
indicates that he uses NewsWatcher 2.4.4 which is rather old according
the the website.

MacLand is a foreign country to me, so I did not take it further.

"Peter Bowditch" [cannot recognize SPAM] ..blathered:

Why am I not surprise....

SPAM is on his websites!

"Jan Drew" wrote:


TDN/"HCN" [who thinks it is A OK for the CDC and FDA to
have vested interested in
vaccines]

Hmm. NO comment from the proven liar.

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
. ..
Jason Johnson wrote:

.... And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?
Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with
regard
to the toxicity of metals.

...

Hmmm... would that mean (according to those that equate metal to "bad")
that the following metals should never be ingested by humans:

snip SPAM


The periodic table of the elements is spam??

YES! Hyprocite + Liar/harasser.

Please try to drink less, Jan. Have you thought of attending a few
meetings?

No. Are there meetings for drinking *filtered* water? Lemonade?
--
Peter Bowditch

Snip LIES + SPAM.....

TDN/"HCN" [who thinks it is A OK for the CDC and FDA to
have vested interested in
vaccines]

Plus now show more DISHONESTY. By posting a different link

Blathered:


"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:
...
snip SPAM


The periodic table of the elements is spam??

Oh, gag! She thinks that Theodore Gray's website is spam? THIS is
spam?..
http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/

Cough-cough. Different link.

I think it is one of the most entertaining places to find information on
the elements. I found after reading Oliver Sacks' autobiography _Uncle
Tungston, Memoirs of a Chemical Boyhood_ and checking out Dr. Sacks' own
website when it was more blog like and mentioned the literal "Periodic
Table": http://www.oliversacks.com/tung.htm (it has since been removed).

If I wanted to spam for Gray I could have included this site:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ (which is a very cool place to look up math
stuff).

calcium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
iron ...


http://www.alltheindustrials.com/sea...nt&rd=1&brand=


http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
sodium ...


http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVS...C-T7L391316886

http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
potassium ...


http://www.anbex.com/

http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html


http://www.fennertechnologies.com/Ly...kZFQod0U55 SQ




Please try to drink less, Jan. Have you thought of attending a few
meetings?
--
Peter Bowditch

snip LIES and SPAM

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
First off, Jason, if you learn to use standard posting conventions, it
will make it *much* easier for folks to read your responses to others.
My comments to your post are interspersed below.

I brought this up to Jason some time ago. He says that he uses an old Mac,
and that his newsreader does not handle quoting. His header indicates that
he uses NewsWatcher 2.4.4 which is rather old according the the website.

MacLand is a foreign country to me, so I did not take it further.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a6dbdce5bcf82c

Mon, Jun 26 2006 9:03 am

David Wright wrote:
In article ,
Jason Johnson wrote:

[Mark replies to David]

NOT one word about learning how to quote properly..

In article . com,
"Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" wrote:

First off, Jason, if you learn to use standard posting conventions, it
will make it *much* easier for folks to read your responses to others.
My comments to your post are interspersed below.

Jason Johnson wrote:
snipped
HCN,
Good point--there are exceptions. I agree that calcium is safe. I'm sure
that you could easily point out other exceptions.


Jason, there are soooo many that are required for our health, but too
much will kill you. Take selenium for instance. It's necessary,
mandatory for good health. But the body requires only a teeny, tiny
amount. Going over that narrow window of requirement will kill you,
just as going under that narrow window of requirement will.


snipped
Even if aluminum hydroxide is safer than mercury--it does not mean that
aluminum should be used in vaccines. I have seen at least one study
indicating that at least some children develop severe reactions as a
result of taking vaccines.


This is true for anything. Most people can eat raw onions with no
problems, right? However, I'm mildly allergic to raw onions. My mouth
starts burning, then begins to tingle. My tongue swells slightly and
my mouth goes numb. But I'm the lucky one. My sister winds up in the
hospital with anaphylaxis. (sp?)

Same with shellfish. Most people have no problem eating shellfish.
But some people are deathly allergic. My FIL is so allergic that he
was hospitalized because his *wife* ate shrimp, then hours later kissed
him.

As with all else, YMMV.

Kitten

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kitten,
If you knew for sure that aluminum in vaccines is the cause severe
reactions in some children, would you still be in favor of keeping
aluminum in vaccines?
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jason Johnson wrote:
snipped
Kitten,
If you knew for sure that aluminum in vaccines is the cause severe
reactions in some children, would you still be in favor of keeping
aluminum in vaccines?
Jason


Jason,

I'm all for people knowing what their family tendencies are. If a
tendency toward sensitivity to aluminum is known, then the family
should avoid all sources of aluminum, IMO, including any vaccines or
other meds that include aluminum.

I've not looking into this enough to know why aluminum may be used in
some vaccines. If it causes no problems for, or is beneficial for, the
vast majority, and only a very limited few are adversely affected, then
it would be inappropriate IMO to remove it from those for whom it may
be beneficial. I don't know enough about this issue to form a
judgement, and you've not presented appropriate material from which to
form an opinion.

I presented the information I did so that you could understand why I
say that YMMV on this. Should everyone have to stop using onions, a
very, very nutritional food, because a few people are deathly allergic?
Not IMO.

Kitten

Jan Drew wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...e024f1a30f2485

'Fraid so.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....206d13e5b75917

Fraid not.



That's "afraid," you illiterate twit

Jan, apart from pointing out that you don't know what an apostrophe
signifies, was there a reason for this post? Do you just enjoy showing
everyone that you're a semi-literate bitter old bint?


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....13874dc009b88b

Neither of your links worked, Jan. How about fixing that when you get over
your giggling fit?

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....6c9484fe669fc2


Those were my links, and I have no idea why they didn't work. I
certainly can't be bothered trying to find them again, when everyone
has read the pertinent stuff anyway.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/271e489e7b...


Fri, Jun 9 2006 10:55 pm


[posted links that didn't work].


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/1c6c9484fe...


Sat, Jun 10 2006 2:57 am


Those were my links, and I have no idea why they didn't work. I
certainly can't be bothered trying to find them again, when everyone
has read the pertinent stuff anyway.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/5a2a3c5aa9...


Sun, Jun 11 2006 1:43 am


[posted correct links that worked].





http://groups.google.com/group/misc....c823b72b4903de

Gang* Behavior, Lies, Deceiving, Twisting, Insulting, False Blaming and
Belittling.

Another EXCELLENT example of the title of this thread.

Good job, Rich!



"cathyb" wrote in message
ps.com...



Jan Drew wrote:
"JohnDoe" wrote in message
. ..
Jason Johnson wrote:

In article , JohnDoe
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
Mark,
I know that ONE vaccine that contains alumninum is not likely to
cause harm.
However, as you probably know, alumninum is in many different
products
such as antacids. If they started placing alumninum in all
vaccines (to replace
mercury), it could cause high levels of alumninum to build up in
the
bodies of people. Why would you ASSUME that there would be
a
build up?
It could cause as much harm as high levels of mercury.
Why would you assume that? Different toxins act differently.
Spend
some time learning the various types of "snake venom" and how they
work.
It could lead to alumninum poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning
and
alumninum
poisoning are known medical issues. I was shocked when I noticed
that
almost every brand of antacids contains high levels of
alumninum.
Does the body absorb it, though? Does the body retain it?
One dose
of alumninum is NOT a problem--however, I hope that even you
would
agree
that 100 doses of alumninum is a problem--esp. in those people
that
have
an allergic reactions to alumninum. Only if it accumulates
to
a toxic level.
People that have various types of
kidney diseases are advised not to use productes that contain
alumninum. Why?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark,
You made some good points in your post. I have conducted some
research
related to kidney diseases mainly by reading a book that was
written
by a
kidney specialist that is a professor at a medical college. I am
NOT
an
expert on kidney diseases. It's my understanding based upon what I
read in
that book that diseased kidneys have a difficult time removing
various
substances such as mercury, alumninum (and various types of
medications),
and other heavy metals from the body. As a result, those things
accumuluate and cause great harm. For example, if you drank an
entire
bottle of an antacid (and had normal kidneys), it probably would
not
harm
you. On the other hand, if someone that had weak or diseased
kidneys,
drank a bottle of antacid, the alumninum in that bottle of antacid
may
cause great harm and perhaps even alumninum poisoning. Dear Jason,
have you ever heard the expression: "the poison is in the dosage"? Or:
"one aspirin takes the headache away, a whole bottle takes the patient
away"? Are you aware that you can die from drinking too much water.
Yes,
plain, good ol' H2O. Are you aware that aluminum is one of the most
ubiquitous element on the face of the earth and if it really were that
poisonous, life on earth as we know it would not exist? Are you aware
that aluminum is NOT a heavy metal, but in fact one of the lightest
metals that we know of?
You would be amazed
at the number of medications that have a warning that states:
"People
that
have kidney disease or liver disease should NOT take this
medication."
Yes--I would agree that heavy metals may in some cases (e.g. kidney
disease) accumulate to a toxic level.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~

JohnDoe,
True or False:
Is alumninum poisoning a know medical issue?

At what dose Jason, at what dose?

ZZzz.................[just a little dab ill do ya].

To quote an infamous Australian politician, Jan, "Please explain."

Yet again you've managed to write utter gobbledygook.

Remedial English, Jan. Once you can express yourself, people might
begin to give a **** what you think.

Although I doubt it.



.....

This was answered...YESTERDAY!!

Note how John can't answer Jason's question.

Do babies ever develop reactions to the Hep-B vaccine that contains
alumninum?

And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?

AND..............

Again...John canNOT answer.


Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with
regard
to the toxicity of metals.

Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~

But..................John suffers from ARGUING.................and
IGNORING..............FACTS!

Aluminum Neurotoxicity


Redhead K, Quinlan GJ, Das RG, Gutteridge JM. Pharmacol Toxicol 1992
Apr;70(4):278-80.


Aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines transiently increase aluminium levels in
murine brain tissue.


Division of Bacteriology, National Institute for Biological Standards and
Control, Herts., UK.


Aluminum is widely used as an adjuvant in human vaccines, and children
can
often receive up to 3.75 mg of parenteral aluminum during the first six
months of life. We show that intraperitoneal injection of aluminum
adsorbed
vaccines into mice causes a transient rise in brain tissue aluminum
levels
peaking around the second and third day after injection. This rise is not
seen in the saline control group of animals or with vaccine not
containing
aluminum. It is likely that aluminum is transported to the brain by the
iron-binding protein transferrin and enters the brain via specific
transferrin receptors. PMID: 1608913, UI: 92302160


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516045_Tables

In article ,
HCN wrote:

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
...
Jason Johnson wrote:

.... And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?
Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

Hmmm... would that mean (according to those that equate metal to "bad") that
the following metals should never be ingested by humans:

calcium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
iron ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html

Geez, HCN, don't you read the postings from that font of all wisdom,
ironjustice? (OK, he's in my killfile, but never mind that.) If you
do, you'd know that iron is the source of all disease and should be
entirely removed from your body.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

David Wright wrote:
In article ,
HCN wrote:

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
...
Jason Johnson wrote:

.... And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?
Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

Hmmm... would that mean (according to those that equate metal to "bad") that
the following metals should never be ingested by humans:

calcium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
iron ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html

Geez, HCN, don't you read the postings from that font of all wisdom,
ironjustice? (OK, he's in my killfile, but never mind that.) If you
do, you'd know that iron is the source of all disease and should be
entirely removed from your body.


No, no, no David. Haven't you read one of Carole's posts? All diseases
are caused by lack of "cellsalts". Get those metals down your neck--or
you might get a tiny bit of a sore ankle!

Cathy


-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

"David Wright" wrote in message
...
In article ,
HCN wrote:

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
l...
Jason Johnson wrote:

.... And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?
Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

Hmmm... would that mean (according to those that equate metal to "bad")
that
the following metals should never be ingested by humans:

calcium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
iron ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html

Geez, HCN, don't you read the postings from that font of all wisdom,
ironjustice? (OK, he's in my killfile, but never mind that.)

He is definitely in my killfile.

If you
do, you'd know that iron is the source of all disease and should be
entirely removed from your body.

Ah... that would solve all sorts of problems, because then I would be dead!


-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth