(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville

August 16, 2003


DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville


BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter

Copyright 2003, Digital Chicago Inc.

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--
Dennis Deakin
State Director:Illinois
CPSWatch, Inc.
http://www.cpswatch.com/il

It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who
passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises.

I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical
abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a
child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard?

Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do!

bobb

bobb wrote:

It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who
passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises.

I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical
abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a
child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard?

Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do!

bobb
----------------------
No, Dummy.
Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories
about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed.

Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have
nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected.
Steve

"bobb" wrote in message
...

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
bobb wrote:

It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids
who
passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises.

I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual,
physical
abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of
a
child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not
heard?

Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do!

bobb
----------------------
No, Dummy.
Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories
about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed.

Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have
nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected.
Steve

Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact,
killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted
something the parents wouldn't buy them. One boy in a neighboring
community
killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.You
must
also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing
merely to get even. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor
should
the fact that kids do fabricate stories.

In Steve's world children never lie or make up stories.

Children only and always speak the truth.

It's the adults that lie.

You wonder where they learned it.

Best, Dan

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:53:14 -0700, "bobb"
wrote:

Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact,
killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted
something the parents wouldn't buy them. One boy in a neighboring community
killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.You must
also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing
merely to get even. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor should
the fact that kids do fabricate stories.

bobb

Most children who kill their parents do it because they were badly
abused, just as most wives who kill husbands are battered spouses.

http://www.nospank.net/n-i67.htm

::There is no doubt that Gregory Scruggs Jr. was abused by his
::father, Judge Janet Burney told a packed courtroom yesterday.
::
::"Blacked eyes, scars and bruises," she said, "should never be
:art of parental discipline."
::
::But the Cuyahoga County Juvenile Court judge still found the
::13-year-old boy delinquent by virtue of voluntary manslaughter
::in the shooting death of his father in June.
::
::The abuse, she told Gregory, did not justify the killing - though
::she made it clear that she did not consider him a lost cause.

The FBI statistics, for 1998, showed about 100 killings of
parents by children under 18. About 70 percent of the parricide
cases involve boys who kill their fathers in response to some
type of abuse, Mones said. "Most of these kids don't have the
same profile as kids who kill strangers," he said. "They tend to
have average to above-average intelligence. They're polite,
they obey adults. They generally don't have a history of acting
violently at all."

The surface reasons are not always the underlying reasons
for the actions and I believe that even in that 30% where the
FBI does not attribute the parricide to abuse, it is pretty likely
to be under the surface if the cases were to be probed.

Boys won't tell about some things even after they take actions
that end the life of an abuser. In particular boys don't tell about
sexual abuses.

Many of the false allegations seem to take place in the context
of a bitter divorces and custody battles and are not initiated by
the children, but by one parent against the other. Children
(especially young ones) will often back up a parent because
they are confused about the reality of what is happening.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
Outer Limits

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
bobb wrote:

It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids
who
passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises.

I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual,
physical
abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a
child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard?

Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do!

bobb
----------------------
No, Dummy.
Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories
about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed.

Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have
nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected.
Steve

Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact,
killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted
something the parents wouldn't buy them. One boy in a neighboring community
killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.You must
also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing
merely to get even. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor should
the fact that kids do fabricate stories.

bobb

bobb wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message

No, Dummy.
Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories
about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed.

Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have
nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected.
Steve

Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact,
killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted
something the parents wouldn't buy them.
------------
Garbage. MUCH more abuse prior to that!! Sounds exactly like an
abuser minimization!


One boy in a neighboring community
killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.
-----------------
Kids who do this were abused for a VERY long time before that.


You must
also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing
merely to get even.
------------------
If their parents behave as their friends, then they won't want to
GET EVEN, now, will they?!! You ****ing dumb-ass.


A false accusation should not be surprising, nor should
the fact that kids do fabricate stories.
----------------
****ing liar, that's the same **** lies parents told before child
abuse laws investigated them and discovered their horrible abuses.
Steve

Dan Sullivan wrote:

"bobb" wrote in message
...

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
bobb wrote:

It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids
who
passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises.

I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual,
physical
abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of
a
child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not
heard?

Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do!

bobb
----------------------
No, Dummy.
Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories
about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed.

Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have
nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected.
Steve

Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact,
killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted
something the parents wouldn't buy them. One boy in a neighboring
community
killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.You
must
also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing
merely to get even. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor
should
the fact that kids do fabricate stories.

In Steve's world children never lie or make up stories.
---------------
Kids who feel they HAVE to make up stories DESERVE protection.


Children only and always speak the truth.

It's the adults that lie.

You wonder where they learned it.

Best, Dan
-----------------
The weak must be protected from the strong.
Steve

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Dan Sullivan wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
bobb wrote:

It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the
kids
who
passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises.

I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual,
physical
abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word
of a
child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not
heard?

Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do!

bobb
----------------------
No, Dummy.
Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories
about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed.

If you say your daddy (soon to be ex-husband) touched you on your butt
I'll
buy you a new dress.
----------------------------
If they love their father, they won't, if they don't then he deserves
it, even if false.

Who wouldn't agree with you, Steve?

Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have
nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected.

A friend of mine's daughter was in an alcohol rehab program when she was
twelve.

On her last day there in a group session my friend's daughter said she
believed that everyone was abused.
----------------------------
They are, partly parents, partly society, partly life, it's all a
matter of degree. And in a western family with authoritarian child-
raising, it's inevitable.


This statement prompted a report to the CPS hotline.
--------------------
Good.


His daughter thought she remembered her father touching her on her chest
on
her seventh birthday.
----------------------
Maybe she did. It's not YOURS to say.

She also thought her father brought her naked to school and beat her with
lead pipes.

The school administration had known about the contentious divorce and they
told CPS that they didn't see any inappropriate behavior on the part of the
father.

And there were no recollection of injuries to the girl by the school nurse
or gym coach.

CPS wrote up her story as if she told it to three people.
-------------------------
Perhaps she did.

Her counselor, the person who ran the group sessions, and the person who
reported the allegation to CPS.
----------------
That adds up to three to me.

Would you be surprised to know that they were all the same person?
----------------------
Doesn't matter.

Why not?

IOW there wasn't a BIT of credible evidence that the father had done
anything to his daughter.
--------------
So YOU say.
Except she said so... classic.

What's classic about it?

Abusers do things in private.

So do non-abusers.

If you don't want to be called one, be nice to your child.

CALLED ONE???

You said kids didn't lie about abuse, "Children who are not abused have no
motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be
believed."

and now you say they might lie about it because of their perception of
what's nice and what isn't!

If you're a good friend to them they won't want to hurt you.

But they have two parents and one parent may have more control or influence
over them than the other.

In fact that's usually the case.

If they do want to hurt you, it's BECAUSE YOU HURT THEM,

You said a child could call their parent an abuser if they felt their parent
wasn't nice to them.

YOU ASSHOLE!

I win.

Dan

"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
.net...

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
bobb wrote:

It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids
who
passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises.

I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual,
physical
abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of
a
child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not
heard?

Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do!

bobb
----------------------
No, Dummy.
Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories
about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed.

If you say your daddy (soon to be ex-husband) touched you on your butt
I'll
buy you a new dress.

If you don't say that mommy's new boyfriend touched you I won't pick you
up
anymore.

Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have
nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected.

A friend of mine's daughter was in an alcohol rehab program when she was
twelve.

On her last day there in a group session my friend's daughter said she
believed that everyone was abused.

This statement prompted a report to the CPS hotline.

His daughter thought she remembered her father touching her on her chest
on
her seventh birthday.

CPS wrote up her story as if she told it to three people.

Her counselor, the person who ran the group sessions, and the person who
reported the allegation to CPS.

Would you be surprised to know that they were all the same person?

When he got to his Fair Hearing (it took about three years) CPS produced
no
witnesses, no counselor, no daughter, and no mother.

Not even the caseworker.

All they did was submit the case record into evidence.

According to the case record at the start of the investigation started his
ex-wife was questioned by CPS.

They asked if she had known all along about the supposed molestation on
her
daughter's birthday.

Thinking she could get her ex-husband in trouble she said, "yes."

Then CPS asked why she didn't report the allegation five years earlier and
stop the visitation between the father and her daughter.

OOOPS!!! CPS founded the mother for neglect.

And after the father finished his statements at the Fair Hearing the Judge
reversed CPS' finding because it was all smoke and mirrors.

IOW there wasn't a BIT of credible evidence that the father had done
anything to his daughter.

Dan



I could even bring myself to reply to R. Steve, Dan, but I do appreciate
that you did.

bobb