Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons

Way Back Jack wrote:

411: Caught on Tape: Alec Baldwin Calls Daughter a 'Rude, Thoughtless
Pig'
Friday, April 20, 2007

By Roger Friedman

Actor Alec Baldwin may be finding himself in very big trouble this
morning. I mean, big trouble.

Baldwin is caught on TMZ.com on an audiotape recording of a scalding
message he left for his 12-year-old daughter Ireland.

Click here to hear the message

Even though it’s obvious that Ireland’s mother, Kim Basinger, leaked
the tape to the TMZ Web site — either Basinger or her divorce lawyers
— it may not matter. Baldwin’s screamfest at his only child has
already caused a family court judge in Los Angeles to suspend his
visitation rights temporarily.

Baldwin and Basinger have been locked in a vicious custody and
visitation battle over Ireland for years.

Baldwin has regularly accused Basinger of playing games with
scheduling. It’s a sore point, since he lives in New York and she
lives in California.

But Baldwin’s scathing comments to his daughter on the phone message
may be indefensible. Listening to the tape, you actually think he’s
leaving a message for Basinger; there is hatred in his voice. Then you
realize it really is Ireland for whom he’s left the message. The worst
thing he calls her: “a rude, thoughtless pig.”

Baldwin is going to have to do some fast spinning to get out of this
situation, especially if the tape starts getting airplay. There will
likely be little tolerance for this kind of behavior, especially
toward a child — and his own child, at that.

It certainly is hard imagining telling one’s own kid how angry you are
because they — the child — has “humiliated” you by missing a phone
call.

More from the call: “Once again I’ve made an a-- of myself getting to
a phone to make a phone call … I’m tired of playing this game with
you. You have insulted me for the last time …You’ve made feel like
sh-- and you’ve made feel like a fool over and over again … I’m going
to straighten your a-- out … You are a rude, thoughtless little pig.”

It’s a sickening turn of events for Baldwin, who’s had a great year
career-wise between his supporting work in “The Departed” and his
awards for the comedy “30 Rock.”

But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
disciplinary, father.
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You have no idea what went before, or who the phone message was
actually intended for. You should mind your own ****ing business.
When normal people do this stuff, they have only their families
to answer to, but you want to make everyone famous accountable
to some broad audience for amateur and ill-informed criticism,
and that's nothing but an extension of nazi paparazziism. NBC
had no cause to even replay it, do they replay everything they
see on the ****ing Inquirer?? Don't be so ****ing stupid. If
this wasn't moronic trolling for a "pop" during sweeps week,
then what was it??

Should we REALLY be that cynical about these media whores?
It's the end of this quarter's sweeps. See below:
Steve

Nielsen 2007 "Sweeps" Dates:
February 1 - February 28
April 26 - May 23
July 5 - August 1
November 1 - November 28

Sean Walsh wrote:

On Apr 20, 11:29 am, moviePig wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:47 am, (Way Back Jack) wrote:

411: Caught on Tape: Alec Baldwin Calls Daughter a 'Rude, Thoughtless
Pig'
Friday, April 20, 2007

By Roger Friedman

Actor Alec Baldwin may be finding himself in very big trouble this
morning. I mean, big trouble.

Baldwin is caught on TMZ.com on an audiotape recording of a scalding
message he left for his 12-year-old daughter Ireland.

Click here to hear the message

Even though it's obvious that Ireland's mother, Kim Basinger, leaked
the tape to the TMZ Web site - either Basinger or her divorce lawyers
- it may not matter. Baldwin's screamfest at his only child has
already caused a family court judge in Los Angeles to suspend his
visitation rights temporarily.

Baldwin and Basinger have been locked in a vicious custody and
visitation battle over Ireland for years.

Baldwin has regularly accused Basinger of playing games with
scheduling. It's a sore point, since he lives in New York and she
lives in California.

But Baldwin's scathing comments to his daughter on the phone message
may be indefensible. Listening to the tape, you actually think he's
leaving a message for Basinger; there is hatred in his voice. Then you
realize it really is Ireland for whom he's left the message. The worst
thing he calls her: "a rude, thoughtless pig."

Baldwin is going to have to do some fast spinning to get out of this
situation, especially if the tape starts getting airplay. There will
likely be little tolerance for this kind of behavior, especially
toward a child - and his own child, at that.

It certainly is hard imagining telling one's own kid how angry you are
because they - the child - has "humiliated" you by missing a phone
call.

More from the call: "Once again I've made an a-- of myself getting to
a phone to make a phone call ... I'm tired of playing this game with
you. You have insulted me for the last time ...You've made feel like
sh-- and you've made feel like a fool over and over again ... I'm going
to straighten your a-- out ... You are a rude, thoughtless little pig."

It's a sickening turn of events for Baldwin, who's had a great year
career-wise between his supporting work in "The Departed" and his
awards for the comedy "30 Rock."

But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
disciplinary, father.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html

All I know of this is what I've read here. (Specifically, I don't
intend to wallow in the audio link.) But here are a few alternative
inferences, open to any but scalphunters:

1) Baldwin may actually give a **** about his kid. (Not all parents
do.) Admittedly, he seems less than impressively mature about it, but
I doubt maturity in general is in long supply in Hollywood...

2) Nobody with the kid's interest at heart would've publicized the
tape. (There would've been other ways to leverage it.)

3) The kid doesn't live in terror of Baldwin. (E.g., she's apparently
not too rigorous about his phone calls.)

Still, I suppose it's nice that FOX gets to grab at a Gotcha on such a
loud leftie...

A month or so ago, FOX (and others) were all over the fact that he was
paying for an Iraq soldier's college education, even though (as he
stated) he doesn't agree with the war.

As for the audio, which I heard on the radio this morning, it's pretty
vicious tonguelashing. He goes on about how she doesn't have her phone
on a few times - hey, as a 30-year old my phone isn't on all the time
either. And the "pig" part comes at the very end.

If you took out the parts where he mentions "daughter" and her age,
you'd swear he was verbally lashing out at a grown up.
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Gee, and we all wonder who THAT was, eh? Is her name Kim Basinger?


Considering the
ferociousness of his message, I can understand perfectly why she
wouldn't want to talk to him.

Oh, and he also doesn't seem to know how old his own daughter is. He
literally says "11 or 12" during the rant.
Sean
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Almost 12 turns into 12 and 22 is forgotten, even by the best parent.
And if you had a tape recorder on you all the time, what would we
catch YOU saying to your kid, huh? Parenting isn't a moment's anger,
it's comprised of the whole pattern of day-to-day life for years if
not decades. Also, he may not actually have been talking to his
daughter, if he knows how nosy his ex-wife is about it. From what
I've heard from people who tried to work with her, Kim Basinger is
gorgeous, but an incrediblly vicious little bitch!

Remember, no matter how beautiful she is, someone somewhere is REALLY
tired of her ****.
Steve

Maryann wrote:

On Apr 20, 2:29 pm, Thumper wrote:
On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:



But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
disciplinary, father.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html

We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
him.
Thumper

Typical lefty - Baldwin at work, what a great role-model..maybe he
would like to send his kids to fight the war in Iraq, sounds like he
would gladly see them facing the enemy. mai
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Where do you get all that delusional crap?

How do you mine this out of an angry phone call that may have been
to his wife, if he knew she was nosy and took all the phone messages,
and that he was paying the way of a soldier through college himself,
despite the fact that he disagreed with the war??

It sounds like you're just dishonestly fishing for something to use
for your partisan lies.
Steve

Juan F. Lara wrote:

In article .com,
moviePig wrote:

2) Nobody with the kid's interest at heart would've publicized the
tape. (There would've been other ways to leverage it.)


Dead on there. This recording was a very private matter of the Baldwin
family. It's an incredible violation of their privacy to publickly air it,
without any context.

And, courtesy of IMDB:
---
30 Rock actor Alec Baldwin has addressed a leaked answering machine rant
he left for his 11-year-old daughter - by refusing to speak about it...
Baldwin's lawyer, Viki Roberts, told Tmz.com, "Whatever happened
yesterday was sealed and confidential. What you're telling me you've got
you shouldn't have." But now his spokesperson claims his ex-wife Kim
Basinger leaked the tape to the media. He says, "The mother and her
lawyer leaked this sealed material in violation of a court order.
Although Alec acknowledges that he should have used different language
in parenting his child, everyone who knows him privately knows what he
has been put through for the past six years." The spokesperson adds, "In
the best interest of the child, Alec will do what the mother is
pathologically incapable of doing - keeping his mouth shut and obeying
the court order."
---

(And so, on the subject of Keeping Our Big Mouths Shut, and letting a
legal case mind its own darn business...)

Derek Janssen (no, really--IS there an "alt.bitterness", or did the
original cross-troll just make that one up?)

R. Steve Walz wrote in message:
,

From what
I've heard from people who tried to work with her, Kim Basinger is
gorgeous, but an incrediblly vicious little bitch!

She's a bitch. He's a *******. Their divorce has been a war.

That kid hasn't got a chance.

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"Thumper" wrote in message
...
On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:



But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
disciplinary, father.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html



We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
him.


I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship with
my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration at times
including towards my children during the fifteen years since the day I came
home from work to find my house empty of children and possessions. That
said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive language Baldwin used
towards his daughter.

I say that as a big fan of Baldwin's work. He is among my favorite
character actors working and his name in the credits increases greatly my
desire to see the film. "30 Rock" is a really funny show and he is great in
it.

I hope Baldwin/Basinger can get their **** straightened out.

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

You have no idea what went before, or who the phone message was
actually intended for.

Being as he says 'you' and says he doesn't care if she's 12 or 11 years
old, the message is pretty clearly intended for an 11 or 12 year old.

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

Almost 12 turns into 12 and 22 is forgotten, even by the best parent.
And if you had a tape recorder on you all the time, what would we
catch YOU saying to your kid, huh? Parenting isn't a moment's anger,
it's comprised of the whole pattern of day-to-day life for years if
not decades.

Yeah, I hate to defend Baldwin because (while he's a good actor) I think
he's a sanctimonious prick most of the time. But I can think of a few
times my own dad verbally lashed out at me like that when I was a kid
and screwed up, saying stuff very similar to "I'm gonna straighten you
out when I get home." And you know what? I deserved it. I needed to be
straightened out and now I'm grateful there was someone there who cared
enough to do it. The "pig" comment was a bit over the line but it's
nothing that couldn't be remedied with an apology. Parents say stuff
like that all time when they're angry and kids that age have a unique
ability to inspire fits of rage in their parents.

"Maryann" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 20, 2:29 pm, Thumper wrote:
On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:



But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
disciplinary, father.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html

We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
him.
Thumper

Typical lefty - Baldwin at work, what a great role-model..maybe he
would like to send his kids to fight the war in Iraq, sounds like he
would gladly see them facing the enemy. mai

Anyone who brings up politics in this matter obviously already has a
prediposition to hate Baldwin and therefore can be ignored.

I suspect he focussed his anger he had for his wife in the direction of his poor
little daughter. While he's an asshole for doing it, the press should leave it
be. Obviously da wife and lawyer leaked the message.

Same old ****!
Kids bear the brunt of an ugly dissolution of marriage.