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Old April 16th 08, 01:53 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
Mark Probert
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Default Do you get an annual Flu Shot?

On Apr 15, 10:53*pm, wrote:
On Apr 15, 9:27*pm, Myrl wrote:

On Apr 15, 5:31*pm, wrote:


Can we agree that anything you "inject" into your body is anywhere
from 10 times to 100 times more harmful that something you may eat,
breathe, or smear on your skin?


DrCee


With tht logic, you should then agree that nasal spray flu vaccines
are safer than injected flu vaccines?


It is not simple logic Myrl, it is a scientific fact.


Then you should have no problem proving it.

Tick, tick, tick....

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Old April 17th 08, 12:07 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
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I hope Mark got his.
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 8:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 15, 8:05 pm, Jeff wrote:

Jan Drew wrote:


One of the most dramatic contributors to our chemical load is
vaccinations.


Dramatic, perhaps. But not significant. We get much more exposure to
chemicals in the food we eat, air we breath, the chemicals we use (like
household cleaners) and the stupid things we do, like smoking. The
makeup women cover their faces with is full of chemicals, too.


Jeff


Can we agree that anything you "inject" into your body is anywhere
from 10 times to 100 times more harmful that something you may eat,
breathe, or smear on your skin?


Not until you prove it using facts.


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Old April 17th 08, 12:38 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
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"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"
Skeptic" wrote:
Smoking a cigarrette


Off-topic


It was a straight answer to a very simple question (that you snipped).


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Old April 17th 08, 03:29 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
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I also hope that "Skeptic" got his too.
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"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"
Skeptic" wrote:
Smoking a cigarrette


Off-topic


It was a straight answer to a very simple question (that you snipped).



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Old April 17th 08, 05:44 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 8:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 15, 8:05 pm, Jeff wrote:

Jan Drew wrote:


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
news

One of the most dramatic contributors to our chemical load is
vaccinations.
There is growing controversy surrounding this topic. Many questions have
not
been answered to the satisfaction of vaccination.

http://intentionmethod.blogspot.com/...ss-part-1.html

Chemical Stress Part 1
Because this is the most hidden form of stress (and most misunderstood),
we
will spend a large amount of time here in an attempt to bring awareness to
this topic. Knowledge is power and avoiding or at least being conscious of
chemical stress can greatly affect our overall health.

As a society, our chemical load has increased tremendously over the last
50
to 100 years. This type of stress bombards us each and every day and can
originate from a variety of sources like our environment, nature,
vaccinations, drugs/medications (legal & illegal), personal hygiene
products
and our food.

Our environment adds to our tension levels in a number of ways. There are
toxins in our air and drinking water that cause us stress when we ingest
them. Drinking water, unless distilled or purified, will increase your
chemical load with each sip. For example, chlorine & fluoride are commonly
added to our water supply. Chlorine, which is used to help sanitize the
water, kills the good bacteria in our digestive tract and also reacts to
other substances in the water to become toxins that have been linked to
asthma & various forms of cancer. Fluoride, which is added to supposedly
help fight tooth decay, is a poison in the same class as the deadly
arsenic
and cyanide. The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) - categorizes
fluoride as "a drinking water contaminant" which may be linked to
osteoporosis, cancer and a higher infant mortality rate. Finland, Germany,
France, Sweden and The Netherlands have all banned fluoridation in their
water supply due to its dangers and lack of evidence of its effectiveness
to
actually help tooth decay.

Many cities and counties are now using reclaimed water for use by their
population, which has created a number of problems. Recent headlines
pointed
out the fact that traces of prescription drugs were found in the water
supply of many urban areas. Also, it is not unusual for bacteria linked to
feces, like E-Coli, to be found in our tap water.

Other ecological stressors include the effects of increasing radiation
levels from the sun, which have been measured for years. Extreme
environmental conditions, like heat & cold, can cause major problems (heat
stroke & frost bite). Also, due to technological advances, a negative
effect
on us has been created from electro-magnetic radiation (from cell phones,
radio waves, microwaves, etc.), which is constantly in our immediate
surroundings.

Anyone who suffers from seasonal allergies is well aware that nature can
be
a major cause of our chemical stress. By dispersing pollen to create hay
fever during "allergy season", nature can cause an incredibly
uncomfortable
response for some. Also, the sting or bite of an insect or animal may
cause
a slight negative reaction for some while it can be extremely dangerous
for
others (anaphylactic shock, Rabies, Lyme Disease, etc.).


http://intentionmethod.blogspot.com/...ss-part-2.html

Chemical Stress Part 2
Do you get an annual Flu Shot? One of the most dramatic contributors to
our
chemical load is vaccinations. There is growing controversy surrounding
this
topic. Many questions have not been answered to the satisfaction of
vaccination critics. For example: Are they safe? What are the long-term
effects of mass vaccination to our society? Do they actually work to
prevent
disease?

The 2007 immunization schedule put out by the Centers for Disease Control
(CDC), called for 68 vaccine injections to be given to all children by the
age of 18 (36 of which are to be administered by the age of 18 months).
These shots were not designed to cause us harm, however, often times they
do. A quick look at some of the components of these injections will make
it
clear how these negative responses are possible. Here is a partial
ingredient list for the majority of shots that are routinely given to our
population:

· Formaldehyde: A carcinogenic embalming fluid according to the 2007
Physicians Desk Reference (PDR). May cause nerve, liver and kidney damage.
· Antifreeze (phenol-phenoxyethanol): Neuro-toxin that also affects the
liver and kidneys.
· Mercury (thimerosal): One of the most poisonous substances known. Can
cause permanent nerve damage and autoimmune disorders.
· Aluminum: Potent neurotoxin that causes brain damage and is linked to
Alzheimer's disease.
· Ammonium sulfate: Suspected gastrointestinal and/or liver toxin,
neurotoxin and respiratory irritant.
· Polysorbate 80: Known to cause cancer in animals.
· Glutaraldehyde: Caused birth defects in animal experiments.
· MSG (monosodium glutamate): Neurotoxin that many people have mild to
severe allergies to.
· Human & Animal DNA & Cells: This is the active part of the vaccine
according to the 2007 PDR. Includes lung cells of aborted human fetus,
human
blood, infected human cells, kidneys of African green monkeys, infected
animal cells from monkey, pig, calf, canary, rabbit, chicken and guinea
pig.

Drugs, both legal & illegal, can lead to an enormous amount of stress on
us.
The failed "War on Drugs" has been officially going on since the early
1980's
& the risks of doing drugs has been embedded into most of us for many
years
now. The risk of alcohol and tobacco use is also well known due to
increased
education & awareness over the last few decades.

Prescription and over-the-counter medications absolutely raise our overall
chemical load as well. Thanks to all of the television ads that must
verbalize the long list of possible negative reactions caused by each
specific drug, these negative side effects from taking medications are now
just beginning to gain recognition.

Personal hygiene products can be a large source of chemical stress. Do you
use hairspray, hair gel, shampoo, hand & body soap? How about make-up,
perfume, cologne, shaving cream and after shave lotion? Look at the
ingredient list of these daily personal products and you will learn that
you
are absorbing some chemicals that you probably were not aware of. For
example, most deodorants and antiperspirants contain a wide range of harsh
chemicals including aluminum. Most toothpaste also contains fluoride (and
you probably rinse with fluoridated water). Start reading labels on these
types of products & educate yourself about what you are being exposed to.


One of the most dramatic contributors to our chemical load is
vaccinations.


Dramatic, perhaps. But not significant. We get much more exposure to
chemicals in the food we eat, air we breath, the chemicals we use (like
household cleaners) and the stupid things we do, like smoking. The
makeup women cover their faces with is full of chemicals, too.


Jeff


Can we agree that anything you "inject" into your body is anywhere
from 10 times to 100 times more harmful that something you may eat,
breathe, or smear on your skin?


Not until you prove it using facts.

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Old April 19th 08, 01:49 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
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Default Do you get an annual Flu Shot?

In article ,
wrote:
On Apr 15, 8:05*pm, Jeff wrote:
Jan Drew wrote:

One of the most dramatic contributors to our chemical load is
vaccinations.


Dramatic, perhaps. But not significant. We get much more exposure to
chemicals in the food we eat, air we breath, the chemicals we use (like
household cleaners) and the stupid things we do, like smoking. The
makeup women cover their faces with is full of chemicals, too.

Jeff


Can we agree that anything you "inject" into your body is anywhere
from 10 times to 100 times more harmful that something you may eat,
breathe, or smear on your skin?


Injecting a little distilled water would be far less disturbing than
getting it into your breathing system.

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Old April 19th 08, 08:25 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
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Wasn't somebody just arguing that we need to be more
careful about metals, preservatives and chemicals
what we inject into our bodies along with vaccines?

It looks like the pro-vaccine lobbyists here actually
argued about that point.

Is that a position common to the pro-vaccine lobbyists?

What's their excuse for all of the chemical JUNK
getting injected along with the vaccine itself?

Are they arguing that it has to be there?

The ingestion v. injection thing is about the
relative tolerance for impurities.

Our gut can't always filter out unwanted chemicals
but at least it's a mechanism for that, bypassed on injection.

Don't impurities injected into our bloodstream, especially
metallic and very toxic ones, represent an unusually
direct challenge to our kidneys and immune systems?

If I was making stuff to go into people's bloodstreams
I would look at byproducts and preservatives as
a HUGE liability.

If the government and the vaccine injury fund are cloaks
to protect these companies from those liabilities,
hasn't this (legal shield) been a huge disservice to the
citizen public? Indirectly INVITING sloppy work
that normal liability concerns would have prevented..

Exempting them from concerns for liability seems insane.

Congressman Grassley from Iowa is going after
the FDA about a problem with approval of drugs
and medical devices, particualrly, he is digging
into an issue of serious conflicts of interest for
medical reviewers involved in the FDA approval process.

The steam roller impenetrable front that professionals
have run people over with for years is due for
some trouble.

Questioning every last tiny bit of byproduct and
preservative in the vaccines is going to happen.

Do the pro-vaccine lobbyists hate this?

I got the argument that trace amounts don't matter.

Recently there was news about psychotropics filtering
into the nations water supply and being covered
up "for our own good". The concern that raised
is not about immedate effects, but LONG TERM
low level exposure.

Did the pro-vaccine people shrug that off also?
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Old April 19th 08, 05:16 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
Mark Probert
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Default Do you get an annual Flu Shot?

On Apr 16, 7:07*pm, "news" wrote:
I hope Mark got his.


Never miss it. One year I did, and I regretted it. Never again.


"Mark Probert" wrote in message

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On Apr 15, 8:31 pm, wrote:





On Apr 15, 8:05 pm, Jeff wrote:


Jan Drew wrote:


One of the most dramatic contributors to our chemical load is
vaccinations.


Dramatic, perhaps. But not significant. We get much more exposure to
chemicals in the food we eat, air we breath, the chemicals we use (like
household cleaners) and the stupid things we do, like smoking. The
makeup women cover their faces with is full of chemicals, too.


Jeff


Can we agree that anything you "inject" into your body is anywhere
from 10 times to 100 times more harmful that something you may eat,
breathe, or smear on your skin?


Not until you prove it using facts.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


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Old April 19th 08, 10:56 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
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Default Do you get an annual Flu Shot?

In article ,
Greegor wrote:

...................

If the government and the vaccine injury fund are cloaks
to protect these companies from those liabilities,
hasn't this (legal shield) been a huge disservice to the
citizen public? Indirectly INVITING sloppy work
that normal liability concerns would have prevented..


Exempting them from concerns for liability seems insane.


There are adverse reactions one can get from flu
shots. A weak allergy to eggs can suddenly become
a strong one to the flu shot, and there are other
adverse immune reactions. The risks are sufficiently
great, and the profit sufficiently low, that without
these guarantees the flu shots would not be available.

Now there is considerable disagreement about the value
of flu shots, with arguments on both sides. It is
necessary to balance the risks against the benefits,
and as benefiting from the flu vaccine is not the
same as taking it, the public health issue requires
the government to take a stand, and it has, recommending
the vaccines.

Would you be willing to manufacture something which,
if made ACCORDING TO SPECIFICATIONS, would subject
you to enormous lawsuits?
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Old April 20th 08, 05:29 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.headlines,talk.politics.medicine
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If the government and the vaccine injury fund are cloaks
to protect these companies from those liabilities,
hasn't this (legal shield) been a huge disservice to the
citizen public? * Indirectly INVITING sloppy work
that normal liability concerns would have prevented..
Exempting them from concerns for liability seems insane.


There are adverse reactions one can get from flu
shots. *A weak allergy to eggs can suddenly become
a strong one to the flu shot, and there are other
adverse immune reactions. *The risks are sufficiently
great, and the profit sufficiently low, that without
these guarantees the flu shots would not be available.


But shouldn't the pharmaceutical company lose
any immunity when they defraud the FDA
to obtain drug approval, or cover up problems?

What are the limits to the immunities granted
to the pharmaceutical companies?

Now there is considerable disagreement about the value
of flu shots, with arguments on both sides. *It is
necessary to balance the risks against the benefits,
and as benefiting from the flu vaccine is not the
same as taking it, the public health issue requires
the government to take a stand, and it has, recommending
the vaccines.


And of course government is wise, responsible and loves us. (sarc)

Would you be willing to manufacture something which,
if made ACCORDING TO SPECIFICATIONS, would subject
you to enormous lawsuits?


Who wrote specifications allowing all of the byproducts,
chemicals and preservatives?

Are they accepting RESPONSIBLITY?
 




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