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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics



 
 
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Old November 2nd 10, 04:25 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
carole
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics

Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Scurvy
This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show
conclusively and scientifically modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life
expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.

The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less
overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:

* * *

It has always been the drug companies, health authorities and medical professions argument that "children will die" to scare parents
into vaccinating. When that is shown to be fallacious with hard fact they change their position as you have to argue something else.

Health authorities refuse to carry out long term studies by independent, unbiased objective researchers of total health outcomes
between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. These would provide hard data to compare differences on the extent of mortality and adverse
effects of vaccines compared to diseases. This would reveal the extent of asthma, allergy, diabetes, SIDS, arthritis and many more
conditions which kill and/or debilitate for life and permit a risk/risk comparison of vaccines vs no vaccines.

Can you cite a single such study? Do you expect the world to take your word for it? But these kinds of studies would end all
argument and demonstrate the risks of the vaccines more clearly. Don't you think this is important? Why are these studies not done?

Not one paediatric vaccine has been tested in double blinded controlled randomised trials. The controlled trials which are carried
out use another vaccine as "placebo" of similarly untested safety [and this invalidates the trials]. The vaccines are also tested
only on healthy individuals but then given to all regardless of risk.



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Old November 2nd 10, 09:24 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics

Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day
in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008. There are just as many poor people now
as then. The answer: vaccinations.

And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine
preventable diseases in rich countries if the population is not
vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but
even with good nutrition, people still die. The only way to lower deaths
and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate.

Jeff
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Old November 2nd 10, 11:38 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics


"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008. There are just as many poor
people now as then. The answer: vaccinations.

And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine preventable diseases in rich countries if the population
is not vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but even with good nutrition, people still die. The only
way to lower deaths and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate.

Jeff


Did you read the article or even look at it?

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...as_Mort_UK_USA

Say thankyou carole.

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Old November 2nd 10, 11:48 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics

On 11/2/10 7:38 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ...
Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008. There are just as many poor
people now as then. The answer: vaccinations.

And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine preventable diseases in rich countries if the population
is not vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but even with good nutrition, people still die. The only
way to lower deaths and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate.

Jeff


Did you read the article or even look at it?

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...as_Mort_UK_USA

Say thankyou carole.


Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates
of illness and death went down.

However, the site is a good example of misuse of graphs. The graphs are
poorly legible. It is a good example of misinformation.

Jeff


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Old November 3rd 10, 03:39 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
carole
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics


"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 11/2/10 7:38 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ...
Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008.
There are just as many poor
people now as then. The answer: vaccinations.

And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine preventable diseases in rich
countries if the population
is not vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but even with good nutrition,
people still die. The only
way to lower deaths and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate.

Jeff


Did you read the article or even look at it?

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...as_Mort_UK_USA

Say thankyou carole.


Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down.


Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced.

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

"You make several other errors. You say "You never show us the data from before the vaccine was introduced".
Go back and look again. Other than for smallpox, the data goes back decades before the vaccines and shows the
far more dramatic falls in mortality rates without vaccines. Do you think the natural falls in mortality
simply stopped just because a vaccine was introduced? Of course not."

Further -

"Not one paediatric vaccine has been tested in double blinded controlled randomised trials. The controlled
trials which are carried out use another vaccine as "placebo" of similarly untested safety [and this
invalidates the trials]. The vaccines are also tested only on healthy individuals but then given to all
regardless of risk."



However, the site is a good example of misuse of graphs. The graphs are poorly legible. It is a good example
of misinformation.


Oh diddums ...can't handle the truth Dr Jeff, goes into denial mode.


Jeff


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Old November 3rd 10, 03:40 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics

"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Scurvy


You might just as well cite WorldNutDaily - both are equally reliable
sources. That is to say, they're not one bit reliable.

As for the real effect of vaccines, try this one:
http://www.uvm.edu/~bwilcke/ehreth.pdf

It's an article on the global value of vaccination, and it is easy to
understand. Not much complex terminology in it.

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out. -Richard Dawkins
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Old November 3rd 10, 03:54 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics

"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the
rates of illness and death went down.


Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were
reduced.


Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better
medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates,
and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced.

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Old November 3rd 10, 04:39 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics


"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...
"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the
rates of illness and death went down.


Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were
reduced.


Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better
medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates,
and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced.

--


Crap deleted

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Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22




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Old November 3rd 10, 04:40 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
carole
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics


"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...
"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Scurvy


You might just as well cite WorldNutDaily - both are equally reliable
sources. That is to say, they're not one bit reliable.

As for the real effect of vaccines, try this one:
http://www.uvm.edu/~bwilcke/ehreth.pdf

It's an article on the global value of vaccination, and it is easy to
understand. Not much complex terminology in it.


crap deleted

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Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22



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Old November 3rd 10, 04:50 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.health
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Default Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics

"carole" wrote in news:xI5Ao.1246$gM3.795
@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:


"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...
"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the
rates of illness and death went down.

Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were
reduced.


Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of

better
medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence

rates,
and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced.

--


Crap deleted


How about dealing with the actual point instead of sounding like Jan?

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cannot be tested, refuse to be tested, or consistently fail
tests. - Richard Dawkins
 




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