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More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever
"David Wright" wrote in message
.com... Do keep in mind, though, that the AAPS is a small, fringe organization and is decidedly anti-vaccination. Just so you know. I don't think most members are anti-vaccination per se, they're simply opposed to forced (mandatory) vaccination (actually *any* medical procedure/treatment that's coerced). See, for example, "AAPS Opposes Vaccine Mandates"; go to http://www.aapsonline.org/ and scroll down the list on the left-hand side of the page. |
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Rich Shewmaker wrote:
-- "David Wright" wrote in message ... In article , Tsu Dho Nimh wrote: (David Wright) wrote: The fact that you have no evidence is enough for me. I don't doubt that Merck would be pleased if there were fewer vaccine exemptions, but whether its worth their while (on a cost/benefit basis) to lobby for such changes is an open question. Well, what brings in the most money to the Evil Organized Medicine Conspiracy: A $20 vaccine given during a $100 office visit or a kid in intensive care for three weeks with whooping cough? And to top it off, the hospitalized individual will be treated with many medications, made by the same companies that makes vaccines, and costing a hell of a lot more. The idea that vaccines are better for the bottom line than no vaccines is merely idiotic. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) Besides, look at the dosing schedule. A vaccine is given at a rate of one dose every five years at the most. Is this a picture of a profitable product? Pharmaceutical companies make their big profits on meds like NSAIDS, and antidepressants, and drugs for GERD and hypertension. Hmmm.so that explains why we see ads in magazines, and on TV, for the latter, but not for vaccines? Seems to make perfect sense. I note the anti-vacs never seem to address this very salient point, but repeatedly repeat their bogus claims about how profitable vaccines are. |
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-- "Mark Probert" wrote in message .net... Rich Shewmaker wrote: -- "David Wright" wrote in message ... In article , Tsu Dho Nimh wrote: (David Wright) wrote: The fact that you have no evidence is enough for me. I don't doubt that Merck would be pleased if there were fewer vaccine exemptions, but whether its worth their while (on a cost/benefit basis) to lobby for such changes is an open question. Well, what brings in the most money to the Evil Organized Medicine Conspiracy: A $20 vaccine given during a $100 office visit or a kid in intensive care for three weeks with whooping cough? And to top it off, the hospitalized individual will be treated with many medications, made by the same companies that makes vaccines, and costing a hell of a lot more. The idea that vaccines are better for the bottom line than no vaccines is merely idiotic. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) Besides, look at the dosing schedule. A vaccine is given at a rate of one dose every five years at the most. Is this a picture of a profitable product? Pharmaceutical companies make their big profits on meds like NSAIDS, and antidepressants, and drugs for GERD and hypertension. Hmmm.so that explains why we see ads in magazines, and on TV, for the latter, but not for vaccines? Seems to make perfect sense. I note the anti-vacs never seem to address this very salient point, but repeatedly repeat their bogus claims about how profitable vaccines are. Note: Just ONE pharmaceutical company, Pfizer, spent more on ADVERTISING Vioxx than the total gross sales of vaccines by ALL of the pharmaceutical industry worldwide. Where's the vested interest? --Rich |
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
et... "David Wright" wrote Do keep in mind, though, that the AAPS is a small, fringe organization and is decidedly anti-vaccination. Just so you know. No. AAPS does not oppose vaccination. It has members who are peds and who give vaccines regularly. AAPS supports informed consent for vaccines. See: http://aapsonline.org/testimony/vacresol.htm I concur with David Wright. The organization is a small, fringe organization. Many, perhaps most, of its members are not health practioners. And, by its actions, it is anti-vaccination. Jeff |
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Mark Probert wrote in message v.net...
JG wrote: Read the article at http://www.all.org/activism/pox02.htm. Now you do. AAPS and Jane Orient are not reliable sources of any information. What evidence do you have for this? The information given is verifiable. Now that doesn't necessarily mean it's true, but I tend to put more crediance in statements that can be shown to be true or false. Can you cite a source that discredits what was said in the article? Beth |
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
.net... I note the anti-vacs never seem to address this very salient point, but repeatedly repeat their bogus claims about how profitable vaccines are. Certain vaccines, *relative to other pharmaceutical products*, undoubtedly do have a "low" profit margin. (Don't forget, however, that manufacturers, thanks to state mandates, have 95% of the market using their vaccines; a relatively low profit-per-dose adds up.) No company is going to manufacture an unprofitable product unless somehow forced to do so. Now, if you wish to claim that the gubmnt (by far the largest purchaser of vaccines, btw) is forcing vaccine manufacturers to continue producing supposedly unprofitable vaccines (perhaps the manufacturers, as compensation, are getting regulatory breaks on other products/issues?), prove it. |
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"Rich Shewmaker" wrote in message
... Note: Just ONE pharmaceutical company, Pfizer, spent more on ADVERTISING Vioxx than the total gross sales of vaccines by ALL of the pharmaceutical industry worldwide. Where's the vested interest? Bwahahaha! You moron. (1) Vioxx is manufactured/marketed by MERCK (though if Pfizer wanted to pick up the advertising tab, I doubt Merck would complain!). (2) The amount spent on direct-to-consumer Vioxx advertising is widely reported (do a Google search--you can do THAT, can't you?) to have been $160.8M (2000); the market for "pediatric" vaccines ALONE (excluding hepatitis and flu vaccines, for example) was $2.5B (2001; the market's growing 5-7% each year). [www.chiron.com/vaccinesoverview.html] |
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More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever
"Jeff Utz" wrote
No. AAPS does not oppose vaccination. It has members who are peds and who give vaccines regularly. AAPS supports informed consent for vaccines. See: http://aapsonline.org/testimony/vacresol.htm I concur with David Wright. The organization is a small, fringe organization. Many, perhaps most, of its members are not health practioners. And, by its actions, it is anti-vaccination. Do you or David Wright ever give evidence to support what you say? The AAPS membership is almost entirely physicians, and they support voluntary vaccination. See the above web site for details. Sure, AAPS is small compared to the AMA, and does not have the huge outside revenue sources that the AMA has. |
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"Jeff Utz" wrote in message ...
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et... "David Wright" wrote Do keep in mind, though, that the AAPS is a small, fringe organization and is decidedly anti-vaccination. Just so you know. No. AAPS does not oppose vaccination. It has members who are peds and who give vaccines regularly. AAPS supports informed consent for vaccines. See: http://aapsonline.org/testimony/vacresol.htm I concur with David Wright. The organization is a small, fringe organization. Many, perhaps most, of its members are not health practioners. What does it matter if it's a small fringe organization? That's basically an ad hominem argument, which I don't find persuasive in the slightest. Such arguments are usually presented due to the absence of a better one. The claims regarding the CDC made in the article the link posted to are verifiable. The ones I find most disturbing relate to the conflict of interest of the members of the vaccine adversary committee. Such bias on the part of the committee members makes the CDC recommendations suspect and I already have concerns regarding their data collection system on adverse vaccination reactions. Now either the claims made in the article are true or they are not. Since they are verifiable claims, and not particularly outlandish ones, they are not hard to believe. I see no evidence posted that indicates those claims are false. If you wish to dispute the claims made, please provide a source or cite. And, by its actions, it is anti-vaccination. What are you referring to here. What I read on their site didn't strike me as anti-vaccination particularly. It just wasn't pro-vaccination either. That balance makes their organization more credible, not less. Beth |
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More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et... "Jeff Utz" wrote No. AAPS does not oppose vaccination. It has members who are peds and who give vaccines regularly. AAPS supports informed consent for vaccines. See: http://aapsonline.org/testimony/vacresol.htm I concur with David Wright. The organization is a small, fringe organization. Many, perhaps most, of its members are not health practioners. And, by its actions, it is anti-vaccination. Do you or David Wright ever give evidence to support what you say? The AAPS membership is almost entirely physicians, and they support voluntary vaccination. See the above web site for details. What details? How many physicians are members? How many non-physicians? You made the claim that it is "almost entirely physicians." Back it up. Sure, AAPS is small compared to the AMA, and does not have the huge outside revenue sources that the AMA has. Big deal. Jeff |
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