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I am no longer going to entertain this question because you refuse to admit
that someone whose opinion is different than yours may be correct. I do not enjoy spanking my children but there are times when it is necessary. If I follow your line of logic I would not take my children to the doctor because neither the child or I like doing so. How I choose to discipline my children is no one's business but mine and my wife's as long as I am not abusive. If your discipline techniques worked for you in your set of circumstances then I congratulate you, but your situation is different than mine. The truth is that you are so determined to be right that you refuse to listen to anything, and you are going to twist any response I make no matter how logical it may be. In other words, your argument is "My mind is made up so don't confuse me with the facts". So say whatever you like, I will not respond again. By the way dear, if you are going to try to impress us with words like "sophistry", you may wish to know what the word actually means. Good bye wrote in message oups.com... Jirimi J wrote: Lavonne It's no that we WANT to hit our children, Actually, that would be sophistry. Wanting to "discipline" and defining spanking as a discipline, means that you want to hit your children, unless you have found a way to spank without hitting. it's that we want to be the best parents we can. I do not doubt that. Disclipline is part of being a parent, we don't enjoy it but it is our obligation. I found "discipline" with my children to be a joy. I loved it. Because to me it meant teaching, and I love teaching. There are times when spanking is the most appropriate form of disclipline. What times are those? Failing to properly disclipline your child is a form of neglect. Yes, that is true. If, when my children indicated they wanted to learn something, or needed to, I neglected to teach what they needed, and precisely what they needed, that would have been neglect. That is why I decided that I did not want to teach them hitting, when they weren't asking to learn how to hit, but rather, how to eat, or share toys, or preserve the household belongings, or clean up, or treat me respecfully. Instead of teaching them hitting, guess what I taught? Now, again, what were those "times" you mentioned? 0:- Jeremy "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... Why are you so committed to disciplining children by hitting them? I don't understand this, greegor. If you are parenting children, I would think that you would want to be the best parent you possibly could be. So, why do you fight so hard for the right to hit your children? LaVonne Greegor wrote: Yes, It's a movement of ... several. If the rabid anti-spanking kooks stamp their feet all at the same time, the Earth will tremble! : Never before have so few depicted themselves as so many! |
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Jirimi J wrote: I am no longer going to entertain this question because you refuse to admit that someone whose opinion is different than yours may be correct. I refuse to admit someone whose opinion is different on this issue is correct..but that is the nature of debate. Did you come here to be validated? That would be something more likely found in a moderated group with no one allowed that did not agree with spanking. I do not enjoy spanking my children but there are times when it is necessary. You said that before. I concede you believe that. I do not that it is true. I raised two children, and did residential treatment with hundreds of others, and never needed spank anyone, ever. And I had extraordinary success with mentally disturbed children, let alone my own 0:-, and did not have to use spanking. If I follow your line of logic I would not take my children to the doctor because neither the child or I like doing so. No, that is not true, and certainly not my line of logic at all. It presupposes, for instant, that the child not spanked will not experience unpleasantness as a matter of course by the simple matter of living. I just don't believe I have to add to that when they are trying so hard to learn. How I choose to discipline my children is no one's business but mine and my wife's as long as I am not abusive. How do you determine the line between abuse and non abuse? Where exactly is the cut off point for one, and the beginning of the next? If your discipline techniques worked for you in your set of circumstances then I congratulate you, but your situation is different than mine. I doubt that. What could my children have possibly had different than yours? Are your's in some way extraordinarily difficult to parent? The truth is that you are so determined to be right that you refuse to listen to anything, and you are going to twist any response I make no matter how logical it may be. Well, are you not determined to be right, and willing to twist my responses? As I've just demonstrated earlier in this post you have done? In other words, your argument is "My mind is made up so don't confuse me with the facts". If you can produce facts that prove to me that non spanking techniques are dangerous I'll be happy to have an objective look at your facts. Do you have any? So say whatever you like, I will not respond again. Interesting method of supporting your position. Run. By the way dear, if you are going to try to impress us with words like "sophistry", you may wish to know what the word actually means. I know, and it applied to you, and to others that make such claims and use words to minimize and disguise the risk of damage that spanking and CP inherently have in them. Good bye So what do you think "sophistry" means that does not apply to you? Last time I checked, it's meaning had not changed from how I used it: soph=B7is=B7try Audio pronunciation of "sophistry" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sf-str) n=2E pl. soph=B7is=B7tries 1. Plausible but fallacious argumentation. 2. A plausible but misleading or fallacious argument. So, do you disagree that you were using it, and if so, how do you determine that you were not? Best wishes. 0:- wrote in message oups.com... Jirimi J wrote: Lavonne It's no that we WANT to hit our children, Actually, that would be sophistry. Wanting to "discipline" and defining spanking as a discipline, means that you want to hit your children, unless you have found a way to spank without hitting. it's that we want to be the best parents we can. I do not doubt that. Disclipline is part of being a parent, we don't enjoy it but it is our obligation. I found "discipline" with my children to be a joy. I loved it. Because to me it meant teaching, and I love teaching. There are times when spanking is the most appropriate form of disclipline. What times are those? Failing to properly disclipline your child is a form of neglect. Yes, that is true. If, when my children indicated they wanted to learn something, or needed to, I neglected to teach what they needed, and precisely what they needed, that would have been neglect. That is why I decided that I did not want to teach them hitting, when they weren't asking to learn how to hit, but rather, how to eat, or share toys, or preserve the household belongings, or clean up, or treat me respecfully. Instead of teaching them hitting, guess what I taught? Now, again, what were those "times" you mentioned? 0:- Jeremy "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... Why are you so committed to disciplining children by hitting them? I don't understand this, greegor. If you are parenting children, I would think that you would want to be the best parent you possibly could be. So, why do you fight so hard for the right to hit your children? LaVonne Greegor wrote: Yes, It's a movement of ... several. If the rabid anti-spanking kooks stamp their feet all at the same time, the Earth will tremble! : Never before have so few depicted themselves as so many! |
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Jirimi, meet Kane0. He is a "never-spanked" boy and a spoke-person for the anti-spanking zealotS. Please don't confuse him with facts! ;-) Doan On Mon, 9 May 2005, Jirimi J wrote: I am no longer going to entertain this question because you refuse to admit that someone whose opinion is different than yours may be correct. I do not enjoy spanking my children but there are times when it is necessary. If I follow your line of logic I would not take my children to the doctor because neither the child or I like doing so. How I choose to discipline my children is no one's business but mine and my wife's as long as I am not abusive. If your discipline techniques worked for you in your set of circumstances then I congratulate you, but your situation is different than mine. The truth is that you are so determined to be right that you refuse to listen to anything, and you are going to twist any response I make no matter how logical it may be. In other words, your argument is "My mind is made up so don't confuse me with the facts". So say whatever you like, I will not respond again. By the way dear, if you are going to try to impress us with words like "sophistry", you may wish to know what the word actually means. Good bye wrote in message oups.com... Jirimi J wrote: Lavonne It's no that we WANT to hit our children, Actually, that would be sophistry. Wanting to "discipline" and defining spanking as a discipline, means that you want to hit your children, unless you have found a way to spank without hitting. it's that we want to be the best parents we can. I do not doubt that. Disclipline is part of being a parent, we don't enjoy it but it is our obligation. I found "discipline" with my children to be a joy. I loved it. Because to me it meant teaching, and I love teaching. There are times when spanking is the most appropriate form of disclipline. What times are those? Failing to properly disclipline your child is a form of neglect. Yes, that is true. If, when my children indicated they wanted to learn something, or needed to, I neglected to teach what they needed, and precisely what they needed, that would have been neglect. That is why I decided that I did not want to teach them hitting, when they weren't asking to learn how to hit, but rather, how to eat, or share toys, or preserve the household belongings, or clean up, or treat me respecfully. Instead of teaching them hitting, guess what I taught? Now, again, what were those "times" you mentioned? 0:- Jeremy "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... Why are you so committed to disciplining children by hitting them? I don't understand this, greegor. If you are parenting children, I would think that you would want to be the best parent you possibly could be. So, why do you fight so hard for the right to hit your children? LaVonne Greegor wrote: Yes, It's a movement of ... several. If the rabid anti-spanking kooks stamp their feet all at the same time, the Earth will tremble! : Never before have so few depicted themselves as so many! |
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Jirimi J wrote: Lavonne It's no that we WANT to hit our children, it's that we want to be the best parents we can. Disclipline is part of being a parent, we don't enjoy it but it is our obligation. There are times when spanking is the most appropriate form of disclipline. I do believe that people who hit their children want generally want to be the best parent they can be. However, spanking does not have to be a part of discipline. I viewed discipline as an opportunity to teach my child how to make appropriate behavioral choices. I wouldn't hit a child to teach appropriate social behavior any more than I would hit a child in an effort to teach him/her how to read or ride a bike. I liked disciplining my children, because I taught them rather than hit and hurt them. I also know that children learn by example, and I didn't want them to learn that hitting another individual was an appropriate way to teach appropriate behavior. Failing to properly disclipline your child is a form of neglect. I agree, Jeremy. And that is why I didn't hit my children. Hitting has no place in "proper discipline." LaVonne Jeremy "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... Why are you so committed to disciplining children by hitting them? I don't understand this, greegor. If you are parenting children, I would think that you would want to be the best parent you possibly could be. So, why do you fight so hard for the right to hit your children? LaVonne Greegor wrote: Yes, It's a movement of ... several. If the rabid anti-spanking kooks stamp their feet all at the same time, the Earth will tremble! : Never before have so few depicted themselves as so many! |
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Jirimi J wrote: (to Kane) I am no longer going to entertain this question because you refuse to admit that someone whose opinion is different than yours may be correct. It's a sham that you didn't stick around long enough to actually debate the issue. However, it sounds like what you are accusing Kane of doing is exactly what you are doing. You have decided your opinion is correct and will no longer discuss with individuals who disagree with you. I do not enjoy spanking my children but there are times when it is necessary. If I follow your line of logic I would not take my children to the doctor because neither the child or I like doing so. If you don't enjoy spanking your children, stop spanking them. Your "logic" is absurd. Why would you not like taking your children to the doctor when they are sick, and you know that this doctor has expertise that you do not have, and this doctor can help your child? I enjoyed helping my children. How I choose to discipline my children is no one's business but mine and my wife's as long as I am not abusive. How wrong you are. Did you know that the definition of "abuse" varies with the state in which you live? Did you also know that adults are protected from corporal punishment because it is considered abusive? And you think that little children deserve less protection? If your discipline techniques worked for you in your set of circumstances then I congratulate you, but your situation is different than mine. How are Kane's circumstances different from yours, other than the fact that he learned alternative ways to raise children. For that matter, how are my circumstances different from yours, other than the fact that I learned alternative ways to discipline my children that did not involve hitting? The truth is that you are so determined to be right that you refuse to listen to anything, and you are going to twist any response I make no matter how logical it may be. In other words, your argument is "My mind is made up so don't confuse me with the facts". So say whatever you like, I will not respond again. Oh the power of projection. By the way, perhaps you could tell us why children should be exempt from protection from cruel and unusual punishment and assault and battery? This is what you and I enjoy as adults in this society. LaVonne By the way dear, if you are going to try to impress us with words like "sophistry", you may wish to know what the word actually means. Good bye wrote in message oups.com... Jirimi J wrote: Lavonne It's no that we WANT to hit our children, Actually, that would be sophistry. Wanting to "discipline" and defining spanking as a discipline, means that you want to hit your children, unless you have found a way to spank without hitting. it's that we want to be the best parents we can. I do not doubt that. Disclipline is part of being a parent, we don't enjoy it but it is our obligation. I found "discipline" with my children to be a joy. I loved it. Because to me it meant teaching, and I love teaching. There are times when spanking is the most appropriate form of disclipline. What times are those? Failing to properly disclipline your child is a form of neglect. Yes, that is true. If, when my children indicated they wanted to learn something, or needed to, I neglected to teach what they needed, and precisely what they needed, that would have been neglect. That is why I decided that I did not want to teach them hitting, when they weren't asking to learn how to hit, but rather, how to eat, or share toys, or preserve the household belongings, or clean up, or treat me respecfully. Instead of teaching them hitting, guess what I taught? Now, again, what were those "times" you mentioned? 0:- Jeremy "Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message ... Why are you so committed to disciplining children by hitting them? I don't understand this, greegor. If you are parenting children, I would think that you would want to be the best parent you possibly could be. So, why do you fight so hard for the right to hit your children? LaVonne Greegor wrote: Yes, It's a movement of ... several. If the rabid anti-spanking kooks stamp their feet all at the same time, the Earth will tremble! : Never before have so few depicted themselves as so many! |
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