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5yo cuffed ;Principal suspended.DHS MO silent
Or DFS? Or Child Protective?
Why is it that poor families are predated upon by CPS? http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/12....ap/index.html East Saint Louis or St. Louis, Charter school. Principal a former corrections officer http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/12....ap/index.html Join with parents at: http://www.vocalofmo.org V.O.C.A.L = victims of child abuse laws |
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Fern,
How are "poor families predated upon by CPS?" I went to your website and learned that placing a 5 year old child in handhuffs was determined unacceptable. What does this have to do with CPS "predating" poor families? LaVonne Fern5827 wrote: Or DFS? Or Child Protective? Why is it that poor families are predated upon by CPS? http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/12....ap/index.html East Saint Louis or St. Louis, Charter school. Principal a former corrections officer http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/12....ap/index.html Join with parents at: http://www.vocalofmo.org V.O.C.A.L = victims of child abuse laws |
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I really hope that administrator doesn't loose his job over this child's
lack of discipline. It's funny how parents are always right there to criticize the school when they try and discipline their child. All the principle was trying to do is show this child what can happen if he doesn't change his behavior. A parent even use it on her son of the TV show COPS a few years back. The truth is he can be arrested in school now a days for something as simple as having a pair of scissors in his locker. Unfortunately the parent just made him feel like a victim. "my poor little boy". Instead she should be thanking the school to take the time to correct his behavior instead of suspending him. He wasn't sent to jail like the 10 year old was in the story I posted the other day. A teacher was fired here in Houston a few weeks a go for sending two students to the bathroom for time out. (At least they could go to the bathroom if they need to). The kids claimed they had to say in their with the light out, the teacher said they were on. I don't know how long they were in their, but if it was really that long the media would have said. The parents of course were outraged. Even after the school fired the teacher the parents were still not happy. They said they were going to send their children to another school. I thought timeout was the preferred method of discipline for children. I guess for some parents no punishment is allowed. If these parents would just stand by the school the children would learn for something from it. Instead as I just stated they make them out to be the victim. They teach them that all they have to do cry to the parents when they are corrected. I wanted to be a teacher a one point I sure am glade I never did. After having two children of my own I'm convinced that many of these behavior problems child have is the parents fault. "Fern5827" wrote in message ... Or DFS? Or Child Protective? Why is it that poor families are predated upon by CPS? http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/12....ap/index.html East Saint Louis or St. Louis, Charter school. Principal a former corrections officer http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/12....ap/index.html Join with parents at: http://www.vocalofmo.org V.O.C.A.L = victims of child abuse laws |
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Billy F:
Are you in favor of Police going to schools and using Tasers on 9 year olds who won't hand over the handheld computer game? How would this misbehavior be the result of parenting choices? I see you blame everything on parents. Would you also therefore MAINTAIN parents legal right to spank? If you're going to BLAME the parents, then I hope you'd give them the latitude to discipline the child. |
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Greegor wrote: Billy F: Are you in favor of Police going to schools and using Tasers on 9 year olds who won't hand over the handheld computer game? No one went to school and tasered a 9 year old for not handing over a computer game. It was a teenager, and he had many chances, from the time he was first asked by the teacher to simply put it away, the being asked to give it to the AP until the end of the day when it would be returned. The tasing would not have happened had he not struggled with, and apparently assualted an LE. How would this misbehavior be the result of parenting choices? It wasn't. This was a child who had had behavioral problems from 4th grade on. Or so the mother reported. The 9 year old was a boy in Florida, that had broken the glass out of a picture frame in the principal's office, and had cut himself twice already with the glass, and threatened anyone that approached him. The police did NOT fire a taser until he began slicing on his own leg. Even then a police officer moved closely enough (putting him or herself at risk) to catch the child when he fell. I see you blame everything on parents. I see you blame everything on authority. Would you also therefore MAINTAIN parents legal right to spank? No doubt he will. Would spanking the children in question YOU mis cited above have lowered the chances of them doing what they did to lead up to the use of taser to protect others and themselves? I suspect, given that there is a 9 out 10 chance, according to spanking compulstive posters in the ng, that they were spanked. If you're going to BLAME the parents, then I hope you'd give them the latitude to discipline the child. Are you soliciting again? Missing having kids to give cold showers to? Have you a gender preference, or doesn't it matter who you shame, embarass, terrorize, and exercise YOUR pitiful cowardly authority over? Kane |
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Hi Greegor,
Of course I do not believe that a school or a police officer should use a Taser on a child. There is a movement by police forces across the country to have all officers carry them. The reason for this is to cut down on officers having to pull their guns, use mace or night sticks. The problem is some officers are waiting to try out their new toy and using it them when it not needed. I think their is a major problem is a school or police officer can't get control of nine year old without shocking them. If you have seen any of my post on this group you will see that I'm very much if favor of parents using spanking as a form of discipline. Of course spanking is only a small part of parenting and some children never need it. I do not believe that parents are always at fault for a child misbehaving. I do have a problem with parents making their children out to be a victim every time the school tries to discipline them. Im sure you know that while a child might be a little angel at home they can be a monster at school. School have to be able to discipline and parents need to back them up. If parents would do this rather than always defending their childs action the child would in most cases get in trouble less. Of couse their are times when a parent does need to defend their child and should. School are running out of option and suspension both in and out of school are becoming the only options. When I was in elementary school not a single child was suspended. Suspension didn't start happening until middle school and it was usually for fighting. I'm sure Greegor that this principle was at his wits end and did this with the child's interest at heart. If I found out my child misbehaved so bad that a principle had to take those measures he would likely be punished when he got home. This is not a issue of Zero Tolerance, this child had been a problem for awhile. or" wrote in message oups.com... Billy F: Are you in favor of Police going to schools and using Tasers on 9 year olds who won't hand over the handheld computer game? How would this misbehavior be the result of parenting choices? I see you blame everything on parents. Would you also therefore MAINTAIN parents legal right to spank? If you're going to BLAME the parents, then I hope you'd give them the latitude to discipline the child. |
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billy f wrote: Hi Greegor, Of course I do not believe that a school or a police officer should use a Taser on a child. There is a movement by police forces across the country to have all officers carry them. The reason for this is to cut down on officers having to pull their guns, use mace or night sticks. Data shows that the number of shootings, that is with a firearm, and fatalities decrease considerably with switching to tasers. The problem is some officers are waiting to try out their new toy and using it them when it not needed. The problem is you have a problem with authority and expect those with it to all be corrupt. They are no more corrupt than any other large body of people. In fact I'd lay odds they are less so but get caught more because of their higher profile in the public eye. I think their is a major problem is a school or police officer can't get control of nine year old without shocking them. I think there is a major problem that you failed to read, or if read, failed to comprehend. This nine year old boy had pieces of broken glass. He had cut his face near the eye with it already, had threatened other adults with trying to cut them if they came near, and he had also cut his arm...each move a deliberate purposeful act on his part. When the officers tried to approach, before they could reach him, or talk him down he started sawing on his leg with the class. The edge of a piece of freshly broken glass is equivalent to a straight razor freshly stropped. He could have gone to the femoral artery in a blink. Kids that age usually don't don't have a lot of muscle tissue, or even fat, built up to pad things. They saved that boy's life. I wrote and thanked the officers, and urged their bosses to commend rather than condemn them. The parent of that child owe those LEOs a great dept for doing what they did as fast as they did it. I recall a scene about 6 or 7 years ago, were a boy was being held by a madman with a knife to his throat in his own bedroom. Officers tried to talk the guy into putting down the knife. He was drawing it across the child's throat when the officers shot. They killed the boy, and the perp. Would you have rather they not have Taser? Which of course they did not. If you have seen any of my post on this group you will see that I'm very much if favor of parents using spanking as a form of discipline. Of course spanking is only a small part of parenting and some children never need it. Of course you are.. and no, even a single use of it in a child hood is NOT a small part from the child's perspective. I do not believe that parents are always at fault for a child misbehaving. Of course not. But they can build a resitent powerstruggling child very quickly with CP. Some will fight back openly, and some will become sneaks. I do have a problem with parents making their children out to be a victim every time the school tries to discipline them. Im sure you know that while a child might be a little angel at home they can be a monster at school. That's a perfect example of the kid that can't fight back against his beloved parents but will go and take his or her rage out in the community. Can hardly wait to grow up those kiddies. School have to be able to discipline and parents need to back them up. If parents would do this rather than always defending their childs action the child would in most cases get in trouble less. Of couse their are times when a parent does need to defend their child and should. Oh, you mean paddle, don't you. It's not working, and it's very dangerous: http://www.corpun.com/uss00303.htm It's only fair that I warn anyone wishing to view by posting the warning that came with this link below: Are our children safe at your school? (If this or any other PDF page fails to open due to a popup blocker on your system, hold down the "Ctrl" button and click the link again.) Photographs of schoolchildren's paddling-related injuries and an open letter to educators and education policymakers in paddling districts WARNING - These images may be deeply disturbing to some viewers. Do not open this page if children are present. http://nospank.net/a7-04.pdf School are running out of option and suspension both in and out of school are becoming the only options. When I was in elementary school not a single child was suspended. A paddling school? Suspension didn't start happening until middle school and it was usually for fighting. I'm sure Greegor that this principle was at his wits end and did this with the child's interest at heart. If I found out my child misbehaved so bad that a principle had to take those measures he would likely be punished when he got home. This is not a issue of Zero Tolerance, this child had been a problem for awhile. What you have, billf, is greegor, obviously grown from a spanked child. What he's done TO you here is what he does to his opponents. He failed to give you all the information, and set you up. There as no paddling or other discipline issue here. Just a child gone out of control and a terrible danger to himself. He was about to suicide by glass. And he has used a "9 year old" to lie to you. Their were three major incidents being discussed where questions about the use of Taser came up. The 9 year old with the self inflicted injuries using broken glass. A 15 year old, or possibly older, teen boy that had been asked to simply put away a gameboy during math class, sent to the AP's office, who asked him to leave it with him until after school, and another refusal to comply, and a cop that was asked to assist. The cop did as cops must...he did a Terri Pat, and the boy attacked him. And two or three people couldn't control him physically. The third one was the most difficult to assess, because there were no witnesses apparently. But it was yet another matter of life saving. A 12 year old girl had cut classes and done the backyard party thing that kids do nowadays when cutting class. They go to one of their homes where the parents are away at work, and they party up the yard. She was drunk. The officer that came was returning her to SCHOOL..and she ran, right toward traffic. He could not catch her on foot. He tased her to stop her before this drunk ran into traffic. Yet another child whose parents owe a great debt to an LEO that thought fast and smart. While you and I are miles apart in our beliefs about children, you will NOT find me concealing information like your twit buddy just did and entrapping. I fight fair. If mean...r r r r r r I don't doubt but what we could find cases of misuse of the Taser. I do not think these three instances would qualify as misuse. And I DO respect that deaths of perps and alledged perps and BYSTANDERS has gone way way down with cops deploying taser. Did you know that police have, in situations where firearms are used, about 11 times the rate of shooting innocent bystanders than legally armed citizens do? Don't blame the cops though. The difference is explained by the citizen being ON scene at the time of the defensive shooting and KNOWING the perp is, and the police arriving only after the crime and the perp is not clearly identified. Yet, if you put a taser in their hand where it can be used that would lower the peripheral damage and damage to many a suspect. Out of about 500k uses they've had less than 10 deaths as I recall. But you can find the exact information by going back and looking at the threads in the ng on the subject. I won't con you. Greegor will. It's all he knows: http://tinyurl.com/4sk2r Enjoy. And if you appreciate what those cops did for those kids, send an e-mail to their departments giving credit to the quick thinking officers. Even the one with the gameboy teen. It could have gone very bad very quick without a harmless way to subdue that boy. Taser hurts, it doesn't kill. Kane or" wrote in message oups.com... Billy F: Are you in favor of Police going to schools and using Tasers on 9 year olds who won't hand over the handheld computer game? How would this misbehavior be the result of parenting choices? I see you blame everything on parents. Would you also therefore MAINTAIN parents legal right to spank? If you're going to BLAME the parents, then I hope you'd give them the latitude to discipline the child. |
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