Every child wanted

"Father Drew" wrote in message
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You are a bigger man than me Phil...or a smaller man with less pain
coverage. I thought thought the procedure was painful. I've been in bed
all day, just ended nap #3. I thought the needle was a bitch. It's like
a
shaot and getting kicked in the sack at the same time. Very scaring
waiting
on the table for the pain to arrive. I think I was less scared when I
went
skydiving. It was painful, but not real bad. Most of it was
psycological.
Although I was numb, I could feel the pressure and hear the sounds of
tubes
snapping, not fun. I don't have tie-dyed nuts, just little cuts on each
side (that stuck to the gauze and bled when I peeled it off).
The entire thing cost me $25. I have to think how much money I would have
had I spent that $25 6 years ago. Of course I don't regret the kids, but
am
glad this is over. I gotta respect any man with the balls big enough to
do
this.
Now I have to decide if I will tell future gfs about this.

Don't worry. They'll screw first and ask questions later. They'll say
things after the sex like "Gee, you really filled me up. When did you have
your vasectomy?" Like, hello! Are women really that stupid or just hoping
for the next CS check?

"Father Drew" wrote in message
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You are a bigger man than me Phil...or a smaller man with less pain
coverage.

Now you know how they came up with the term "numbnuts"?

I thought thought the procedure was painful. I've been in bed
all day, just ended nap #3. I thought the needle was a bitch. It's like
a
shaot and getting kicked in the sack at the same time. Very scaring
waiting
on the table for the pain to arrive. I think I was less scared when I
went
skydiving. It was painful, but not real bad. Most of it was
psycological.
Although I was numb, I could feel the pressure and hear the sounds of
tubes
snapping, not fun. I don't have tie-dyed nuts, just little cuts on each
side (that stuck to the gauze and bled when I peeled it off).
The entire thing cost me $25. I have to think how much money I would have
had I spent that $25 6 years ago. Of course I don't regret the kids, but
am
glad this is over. I gotta respect any man with the balls big enough to
do
this.
Now I have to decide if I will tell future gfs about this.

-Drew

"Phil #3" wrote in message
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"Father Drew" wrote in message
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I'm getting mine tomorrow. I wouldn't trust a pill anyway, not on
something
this important. Tomorrow I'm taking the day off to get my nuts
chopped.
Scared to death, but more scared of going though this mess all over
again.
For anyone that has looked into this, it's not a fun thing to go
through.
The doc says it's not so bad, and he got snipped himself, but I don't
care,
anytime you put a knife by the jewels, it can't be considered a happy
time.
They make you shave too, so I'm sure the itching will creep in
sometime
next
week. My package looks like Dr. Phil's head.
I'll be sure to post the details tomorrow night to let you know how
bad
it
is, but I would be wary of the pills.

-Drew

It ain't all that bad. There will likely be some bruising due to the
increased vascularity in that region and it may extend down your legs as
well (your scrotum *will* be purple, it's quite decorative, actually
).
The actual procedure is relatively painless, even the initial needle
sticks
are well within my range of acceptable pains, and I hate shots. The only
caveat is that the doctor use ample anesthetic (mine didn't, but my
acquaintances assure me theirs did).
Take a movie home with you and try to sleep, as best you can with an
iceberg
on your groin.
Of the men I've known having this procedure, one other and myself have
had
some acute residual pains. Because it was always associated with the
snipped
vas, the pain was in the abdominal cavity, not in the scrotum. (The vas
takes a long trip to the prostate).
Oh, and in case no one told you, you won't be sterile for several weeks
due
to the accumulated sperm along the path from the actual cut in the vas
to
the urethra. Get a sperm count done after about a month and yearly or
semi-annually, thereafter.
I've never regretted it after 12 years.
Phil #3



"Brad" wrote in message
.. .
Please post the source of your information about male birth control
pills.
And please be specific.

Thanks.

Brad


"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...
...

The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male
birth
control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the
making,(although
it's
finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to
see
it
on
the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the
potential
to
reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and
gives
it
to
men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill.
...

~AZ~

Depend how you read the statistics. Every time you would have a 1 in 1200
chance. So the 1st time, you have a 1 in 1200 chance, and the 3000th time
yiou still have that same 1 in 1200 chance.

"TeacherMama" wrote in message
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"Tracy" wrote in message
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"The Dave©" wrote in message
s.com...
"Tracy" wrote
I'm sure the male pill is similar to the female version.
There is a failure rate. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.
Not even sterilization is 100% guaranteed.

That was my thought when I read it, too. Nothing is 100%. You can
get
pretty close, though.

exactly.


Mine (tubal ligation) came with a 1 in every 1200 chance
of failure.

Does that mean some women should worry when they get near their 1200th
time?
;-) (ok, I'm kidding)


I thought about that! I use to tell myself that wish *my* luck after my
1199th time I'd get pregnant. So I thought about keeping track. LOL

A common error. The statistic is one in 1200---that doesn't mean the
1200th
time. It can be any number within that 1200!! Ya gotta be careful about
these things!

They are left to interpretation. One could say that one get 1199 before
they have to wear a condom. Another might say it could happen anytime in
between. Then the National Org of Women might say, "you asshole, get off of
her, rape rape, become a carpet muncher honey!". Just depends on who
interprets it.

Personally. I'm convinced that the experience was traumatic enough to
bee 100% effective. I would hate to think it was all in vein (pun
intended). The doc gave me two jars to fill up (not to the top I hope, I'm
30 for Christ sake). He said I have to have 8 ejaculations before I give
him the two samples for testing the retarded swimmers. The nurse was there,
I told him I could do the 8 plus the 2 samples in one day. The nurse left
and I told the doc, "Just kidding, I'll be back in 2 weeks.". Kinda funny
that they tell people to jack-off every day, and not only do people not get
offended, they pay good money to hear it. I imagine the humor in a
urologist office is pretty good.

-Drew



"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
rthlink.net...

"TeacherMama" wrote in message
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"Tracy" wrote in message
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"The Dave©" wrote in message
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"Tracy" wrote
I'm sure the male pill is similar to the female version.
There is a failure rate. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.
Not even sterilization is 100% guaranteed.

That was my thought when I read it, too. Nothing is 100%. You can
get
pretty close, though.

exactly.


Mine (tubal ligation) came with a 1 in every 1200 chance
of failure.

Does that mean some women should worry when they get near their
1200th
time?
;-) (ok, I'm kidding)


I thought about that! I use to tell myself that wish *my* luck after
my
1199th time I'd get pregnant. So I thought about keeping track. LOL

A common error. The statistic is one in 1200---that doesn't mean the
1200th
time. It can be any number within that 1200!! Ya gotta be careful
about
these things!

I must be from Mars and not Venus. I thought the 1 in 1200 chance meant 1
out of 1200 men who a woman had sex with could actually impregnate her in
spite of her tubal! Does this mean one guy can do it 1200 times before a
pregnancy, not 1200 guys doing it once? Man these statistics are hard to
understand!

"Father Drew" wrote in message
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Depend how you read the statistics. Every time you would have a 1 in 1200
chance. So the 1st time, you have a 1 in 1200 chance, and the 3000th time
yiou still have that same 1 in 1200 chance.

That's true. Statistics can always come back to bite you in the butt.

Bob Whiteside wrote:

"TeacherMama" wrote in message
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"Tracy" wrote in message
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"The Dave©" wrote in message
s.com...
"Tracy" wrote
I'm sure the male pill is similar to the female version.
There is a failure rate. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.
Not even sterilization is 100% guaranteed.

That was my thought when I read it, too. Nothing is 100%. You can
get
pretty close, though.

exactly.


Mine (tubal ligation) came with a 1 in every 1200 chance
of failure.

Does that mean some women should worry when they get near their 1200th
time?
;-) (ok, I'm kidding)


I thought about that! I use to tell myself that wish *my* luck after my
1199th time I'd get pregnant. So I thought about keeping track. LOL

A common error. The statistic is one in 1200---that doesn't mean the
1200th
time. It can be any number within that 1200!! Ya gotta be careful about
these things!

I must be from Mars and not Venus. I thought the 1 in 1200 chance meant 1
out of 1200 men who a woman had sex with could actually impregnate her in
spite of her tubal! Does this mean one guy can do it 1200 times before a
pregnancy, not 1200 guys doing it once? Man these statistics are hard to
understand!

No, Bob, it's 1,200 guys doing it ALL AT ONCE.

Sorry to everyone for posting this and then not responding to comments.
This came to my attention some months ago via a very brief newstory during
the regular news on tv. It was so quick I didn't even catch the doctors
name who was talking about it. What I did catch was that he said that it is
100% effective as well as being 100% reversible. I think the first link is
from the study where the newstory came from.

I did some research and here is what I've found:

http://www.askmen.com/love/dzimmer_6...e_answers.html
"From the results of these studies, Organon, a pharmaceutical company in the
Netherlands, has developed a pill that is set to go on the market by 2005.
The pill has proven to be 100% effective in preliminary clinical trials."
"In terms of effectiveness, the male pill seems to be the best. In clinical
trials, all of the participants' sperm counts dropped to zero, which means
that the male pill would be more effective than the condom and even the
female pill."

and this which is from 2002:
http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/?art...tion&refid=025
"Scientists have found that a sugar molecule, called NB-DNJ, causes fully
reversible sterility in male mice. When the mice are given the drug, they
cannot cause pregnancies. When they are taken off the drug, they regain
their ability to produce healthy and fertile sperm. The drug blocks the
production of certain molecules that are needed for the production of sperm
in the testicles."

This info is dated 2003 :
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ART...cfuture_m.html
"World Health Organization studies have shown greatly reduced sperm counts
in men injected once a week with testosterone enanthate (TE), a synthetic
hormone. Research continues with a combination of TE and
depot-medroxyprogesterone acetate (DMPA), the progestin used in
Depo-Provera. The combination injection may be needed only once a month.

A potential three-month injection using testosterone buciclate is in
preliminary development."

This research paper is from 2000. Apparantly the biggest obstacle to
finding a male birth control pill is finding funding for the research. US
pharmaceutical companies seem to think that men won't buy or use them.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology.../paluska3.html
Emphasis on the negative side effects in the media demonstrates the
pharmaceutical industry's attitude towards the idea of male birth control.
In an age when Viagra is one of the top selling and top promoted drugs, one
cannot say that the American public is non-receptive to the idea of drugs
that affect men's sexual function. As one author states, "The pill may be a
good idea, but the maximization of profits sought out by large drug
companies, forced upon them by capitalistic ideals, precludes any real
development of this form of contraception"

I particularly loved this line, "The social message is clear - women take
care of birth control and men take care of sexual performance."

Yeah and them men take care of the child support for the rest of their
lives!

Men need to get vocal about wanting this type of birth control. I think it
should be mentioned anytime child support or deadbeat dads or anything is
written about.

~AZ~

Wow, thanks Barry!! The malecontraceptives.org is a great site!!!!

~AZ~

"Barry Pearson" wrote in message
...
Brad wrote:
Please post the source of your information about male birth control
pills.
And please be specific.

I have a few pages on the topic at the following:


http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.u...ices_and_behav
iours/male_contraception_overview.htm

http://tinyurl.com/feqy

This is an important site:
http://www.malecontraceptives.org/

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...
...
The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth
control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although
it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet
to
see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has
the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from
women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of
the pill.

--
Barry Pearson
http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/
http://www.ChildSupportAnalysis.co.uk/

"Father Drew" wrote
Now I have to decide if I will tell future gfs about this.

I think it depends on what you're looking for. For me, I wanted a long-term
(hopefully permanent) relationship, so I decided to tell every woman I went
out with more than 3 dates, or so. My reasoning was I wanted there to be no
misunderstandings, and I wanted to feel as secure as possible that she
really wanted me, and everything that did and didn't include.

"Father Drew" wrote in message
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Depend how you read the statistics. Every time you would have a 1 in 1200
chance. So the 1st time, you have a 1 in 1200 chance, and the 3000th time
yiou still have that same 1 in 1200 chance.


That is how I understood it, or better yet - there exists 1 female in every
1200 that will become pregnant after having such a surgery. Thus far I'm
not that 1 female. I was just being silly below and playing along with
"The Dave". I'm sure "The Dave" understands what 1 in 1200 means... I think
some people took simple "fun with words" meaning they don't know. ;-)


Tracy
~~~~~~~
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type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

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"TeacherMama" wrote in message
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"Tracy" wrote in message
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"The Dave©" wrote in message
s.com...
"Tracy" wrote
I'm sure the male pill is similar to the female version.
There is a failure rate. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.
Not even sterilization is 100% guaranteed.

That was my thought when I read it, too. Nothing is 100%. You can
get
pretty close, though.

exactly.


Mine (tubal ligation) came with a 1 in every 1200 chance
of failure.

Does that mean some women should worry when they get near their
1200th
time?
;-) (ok, I'm kidding)


I thought about that! I use to tell myself that wish *my* luck after
my
1199th time I'd get pregnant. So I thought about keeping track. LOL

A common error. The statistic is one in 1200---that doesn't mean the
1200th
time. It can be any number within that 1200!! Ya gotta be careful
about
these things!