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He was convicted after assaulting me, he ignores the children, and
(like
you,
among others) tries to insist that the reasons for his abandonment
of
the
children is someone else's fault. Do you see anything
good/positive/nice
there?
-----------------
Then why do you want him around? Or maybe you don't really. That
is
unless
he was the idealized perfect dad you want him to be.

I never said I wanted him around me - he gives me the creeps. As I
asked
you
before, in message , and have seen no
response
from you yet....

"Aren't you one of the posters to ACS who insists that children do
better
when
they have their father involved in their lives?"

Perhaps you'd like to respond to the question this time?
-----------
Yes dip****, I do think that kids do better with both parents involved.
But
if one of the parents are abusive then duh, no they shouldn't be around.
Answer your question smartass?

Any particular reason you felt the need to get sarcastic and profane? Was
there
something about the question that you found offensive?
-----------------
Hmmm, perhaps your writing communicated a certain "tone of voice" and "body
language" to me so I responded in kind.

You've been trying to slam me since the beginning, despite the fact that you,
like Paul and so many others, are so mistaken about so many things.

So much for a "clear record". And
I didn't particularly feel the need to answer your "question" because you
already know that I believe kids do better with both parents. So what was
your purpose in asking me something you already knew the answer to except to
provoke me?

Because you were being inconsistant, and I thought perhaps I had you confused
with the contingent that insisted a child should be with their father no matter
what.

And then when you got what you were hoping for you suddenly
play coy and go on the defensive?

Ummmmmmmm, I've been quite straightforward with you, and not at all defensive.
I asked you some questions, to which I was hoping for answers. That's usually
how a conversation goes.

Ha ha! It becomes clear why your ex
stays the hell away from you Moonie McNasty.

He stays away from me because of his "prior bad acts" - so what do you suppose
his reasons for ignoring his children would be? I never understood why he
ignored his first 2 children, either.

Interesting Ann Landers Column today - I'll copy some of the more interesting
points from it he

http://www.jsonline.com/lifestyle/ad...p04/258561.asp

DEAR ABBY
Two weeks ago, my husband let it slip that he wants a divorce. Since we were
married, his personality has changed completely. He is not the man I married.

I'd like to pass along some tips for anyone considering marriage, and share some
of the bright-red flags I chose to ignore.

If your parents or siblings have doubts about him, pay attention. Listen and
check it out.

If your intended has nothing good to say about his ex, beware. This is a
pattern. Divorce is rarely only one person's fault.

If his children have nothing to do with him, do not believe him if he says his
ex brainwashed them against him.

Beware if he has no friends. It is not true that they all chose to side with his
ex.

If your friends dislike him, pay attention. This is also true if he hates your
friends.

If he has more than one DUI and still drinks, run!

If he is one personality at work or with others, and another person alone with
you, run.

If he has nothing to do with his parents, investigate why.

If he's an expert at everything and brags a lot, understand that he will turn
off a lot of people, eventually maybe even you.

If he is emotionally or verbally abusive, it will only get worse. Yelling,
name-calling and glowering are classic signs of an abuser.

If he is never wrong and never apologizes, everything will be "your fault"
forever. And after years of hearing it, you may even start to accept the blame.

If he does something wrong and says, "That wouldn't have happened if you hadn't
( . . . )," that's another sign of an abuser.

If he's mean to children, pets or animals, recognize that he's pathological, and
the next victim could be you.

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

snip

He was convicted after assaulting me, he ignores the children,
and
(like
you,
among others) tries to insist that the reasons for his
abandonment
of
the
children is someone else's fault. Do you see anything
good/positive/nice
there?
-----------------
Then why do you want him around? Or maybe you don't really.
That
is
unless
he was the idealized perfect dad you want him to be.

I never said I wanted him around me - he gives me the creeps. As
I
asked
you
before, in message , and have
seen no
response
from you yet....

"Aren't you one of the posters to ACS who insists that children do
better
when
they have their father involved in their lives?"

Perhaps you'd like to respond to the question this time?
-----------
Yes dip****, I do think that kids do better with both parents
involved.
But
if one of the parents are abusive then duh, no they shouldn't be
around.
Answer your question smartass?

Any particular reason you felt the need to get sarcastic and profane?
Was
there
something about the question that you found offensive?
-----------------
Hmmm, perhaps your writing communicated a certain "tone of voice" and
"body
language" to me so I responded in kind.

You've been trying to slam me since the beginning, despite the fact that
you,
like Paul and so many others, are so mistaken about so many things.
--------------
I have never 'slammed' you. I have hardly ever responded to any of your
posts. You seem to have me mixed up with somobody else.
----------

So much for a "clear record". And
I didn't particularly feel the need to answer your "question" because
you
already know that I believe kids do better with both parents. So what
was
your purpose in asking me something you already knew the answer to
except to
provoke me?

Because you were being inconsistant, and I thought perhaps I had you
confused
with the contingent that insisted a child should be with their father no
matter
what.
-----------
I have never been inconsistant. You were mistaken. You listed a bunch of
stuff your ex supposedly did that I felt would justify calling him a
terrible father, (convictions for domestic abuse, planned kidnappings). How
is that inconsistent with the belief that having both parents is in the best
interest of the child unless one or both have been found unfit?
------------

And then when you got what you were hoping for you suddenly
play coy and go on the defensive?

Ummmmmmmm, I've been quite straightforward with you, and not at all
defensive.
I asked you some questions, to which I was hoping for answers. That's
usually
how a conversation goes.


Ha ha! It becomes clear why your ex
stays the hell away from you Moonie McNasty.

He stays away from me because of his "prior bad acts" - so what do you
suppose
his reasons for ignoring his children would be? I never understood why he
ignored his first 2 children, either.

Interesting Ann Landers Column today - I'll copy some of the more
interesting
points from it he

http://www.jsonline.com/lifestyle/ad...p04/258561.asp
------------
This is nothing new. This is all stuff I learned as a teenager.

~AZ~


DEAR ABBY
Two weeks ago, my husband let it slip that he wants a divorce. Since we
were
married, his personality has changed completely. He is not the man I
married.

I'd like to pass along some tips for anyone considering marriage, and
share some
of the bright-red flags I chose to ignore.

If your parents or siblings have doubts about him, pay attention. Listen
and
check it out.

If your intended has nothing good to say about his ex, beware. This is a
pattern. Divorce is rarely only one person's fault.

If his children have nothing to do with him, do not believe him if he says
his
ex brainwashed them against him.

Beware if he has no friends. It is not true that they all chose to side
with his
ex.

If your friends dislike him, pay attention. This is also true if he hates
your
friends.

If he has more than one DUI and still drinks, run!

If he is one personality at work or with others, and another person alone
with
you, run.

If he has nothing to do with his parents, investigate why.

If he's an expert at everything and brags a lot, understand that he will
turn
off a lot of people, eventually maybe even you.

If he is emotionally or verbally abusive, it will only get worse. Yelling,
name-calling and glowering are classic signs of an abuser.

If he is never wrong and never apologizes, everything will be "your fault"
forever. And after years of hearing it, you may even start to accept the
blame.

If he does something wrong and says, "That wouldn't have happened if you
hadn't
( . . . )," that's another sign of an abuser.

If he's mean to children, pets or animals, recognize that he's
pathological, and
the next victim could be you.

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

snip

He was convicted after assaulting me, he ignores the children,
and
(like
you,
among others) tries to insist that the reasons for his
abandonment
of
the
children is someone else's fault. Do you see anything
good/positive/nice
there?
-----------------
Then why do you want him around? Or maybe you don't really.
That
is
unless
he was the idealized perfect dad you want him to be.

I never said I wanted him around me - he gives me the creeps. As
I
asked
you
before, in message , and have
seen no
response
from you yet....

"Aren't you one of the posters to ACS who insists that children do
better
when
they have their father involved in their lives?"

Perhaps you'd like to respond to the question this time?
-----------
Yes dip****, I do think that kids do better with both parents
involved.
But
if one of the parents are abusive then duh, no they shouldn't be
around.
Answer your question smartass?

Any particular reason you felt the need to get sarcastic and profane?
Was
there
something about the question that you found offensive?
-----------------
Hmmm, perhaps your writing communicated a certain "tone of voice" and
"body
language" to me so I responded in kind.

You've been trying to slam me since the beginning, despite the fact that
you,
like Paul and so many others, are so mistaken about so many things.
--------------
I have never 'slammed' you.

Calling someone "dip****" and "smartass" are friendly terms in your world?

I have hardly ever responded to any of your
posts.

Not quite true, but I'll let that defensive statement go.


----------

So much for a "clear record". And
I didn't particularly feel the need to answer your "question" because
you
already know that I believe kids do better with both parents. So what
was
your purpose in asking me something you already knew the answer to
except to
provoke me?

Because you were being inconsistant, and I thought perhaps I had you
confused
with the contingent that insisted a child should be with their father no
matter
what.
-----------
I have never been inconsistant. You were mistaken. You listed a bunch of
stuff your ex supposedly did that I felt would justify calling him a
terrible father, (convictions for domestic abuse, planned kidnappings). How
is that inconsistent with the belief that having both parents is in the best
interest of the child unless one or both have been found unfit?

The inconsistancy lies in your varying statements - on one hand, you believe
that "having both parents is in the best interest of the child inless one or
both have been found unfit" (which he hasn't), and on the other hand, you've
asked twice in this thread why I would want him around the children.

By now, you've run out of hands........... so which should it be? He sees the
kids, or they're better off without him? Or are you going to claim that I'm
"trying to provoke" you again? Which, by the way, is an impossibility - you
always have the option to not read my posts, or not reply - you've apparently
chosen to do neither, which means you are an active participant in your own
provocation, despite your insistance that it's 'someone else's fault' - looks
like you didn't learn so much as a teenager as you would like to claim.


------------

And then when you got what you were hoping for you suddenly
play coy and go on the defensive?

Ummmmmmmm, I've been quite straightforward with you, and not at all
defensive.
I asked you some questions, to which I was hoping for answers. That's
usually
how a conversation goes.


Ha ha! It becomes clear why your ex
stays the hell away from you Moonie McNasty.

He stays away from me because of his "prior bad acts" - so what do you
suppose
his reasons for ignoring his children would be? I never understood why he
ignored his first 2 children, either.

Interesting Ann Landers Column today - I'll copy some of the more
interesting
points from it he

http://www.jsonline.com/lifestyle/ad...p04/258561.asp
------------
This is nothing new. This is all stuff I learned as a teenager.

~AZ~

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

snip

He was convicted after assaulting me, he ignores the
children,
and
(like
you,
among others) tries to insist that the reasons for his
abandonment
of
the
children is someone else's fault. Do you see anything
good/positive/nice
there?
-----------------
Then why do you want him around? Or maybe you don't really.
That
is
unless
he was the idealized perfect dad you want him to be.

I never said I wanted him around me - he gives me the creeps.
As
I
asked
you
before, in message , and have
seen no
response
from you yet....

"Aren't you one of the posters to ACS who insists that children
do
better
when
they have their father involved in their lives?"

Perhaps you'd like to respond to the question this time?
-----------
Yes dip****, I do think that kids do better with both parents
involved.
But
if one of the parents are abusive then duh, no they shouldn't be
around.
Answer your question smartass?

Any particular reason you felt the need to get sarcastic and
profane?
Was
there
something about the question that you found offensive?
-----------------
Hmmm, perhaps your writing communicated a certain "tone of voice" and
"body
language" to me so I responded in kind.

You've been trying to slam me since the beginning, despite the fact that
you,
like Paul and so many others, are so mistaken about so many things.
--------------
I have never 'slammed' you. I have hardly ever responded to any of your
posts. You seem to have me mixed up with somobody else.
----------

So much for a "clear record". And
I didn't particularly feel the need to answer your "question" because
you
already know that I believe kids do better with both parents. So what
was
your purpose in asking me something you already knew the answer to
except to
provoke me?

Because you were being inconsistant, and I thought perhaps I had you
confused
with the contingent that insisted a child should be with their father no
matter
what.
-----------
I have never been inconsistant. You were mistaken. You listed a bunch of
stuff your ex supposedly did that I felt would justify calling him a
terrible father, (convictions for domestic abuse, planned kidnappings).
How
is that inconsistent with the belief that having both parents is in the
best
interest of the child unless one or both have been found unfit?

In moonieland......she is pure and innocent as the wind driven snow and
everybody else in the world is wrong/at fault, her kids are perfect etc
etc.........but moonieland is quite transparent......everyone else can see
what it is really all about.....except for moonie of course.


------------

And then when you got what you were hoping for you suddenly
play coy and go on the defensive?

Ummmmmmmm, I've been quite straightforward with you, and not at all
defensive.
I asked you some questions, to which I was hoping for answers. That's
usually
how a conversation goes.


Ha ha! It becomes clear why your ex
stays the hell away from you Moonie McNasty.

He stays away from me because of his "prior bad acts" - so what do you
suppose
his reasons for ignoring his children would be? I never understood why
he
ignored his first 2 children, either.

Interesting Ann Landers Column today - I'll copy some of the more
interesting
points from it he

http://www.jsonline.com/lifestyle/ad...p04/258561.asp
------------
This is nothing new. This is all stuff I learned as a teenager.

~AZ~


DEAR ABBY
Two weeks ago, my husband let it slip that he wants a divorce. Since we
were
married, his personality has changed completely. He is not the man I
married.

I'd like to pass along some tips for anyone considering marriage, and
share some
of the bright-red flags I chose to ignore.

If your parents or siblings have doubts about him, pay attention. Listen
and
check it out.

If your intended has nothing good to say about his ex, beware. This is a
pattern. Divorce is rarely only one person's fault.

If his children have nothing to do with him, do not believe him if he
says
his
ex brainwashed them against him.

Beware if he has no friends. It is not true that they all chose to side
with his
ex.

If your friends dislike him, pay attention. This is also true if he
hates
your
friends.

If he has more than one DUI and still drinks, run!

If he is one personality at work or with others, and another person
alone
with
you, run.

If he has nothing to do with his parents, investigate why.

If he's an expert at everything and brags a lot, understand that he will
turn
off a lot of people, eventually maybe even you.

If he is emotionally or verbally abusive, it will only get worse.
Yelling,
name-calling and glowering are classic signs of an abuser.

If he is never wrong and never apologizes, everything will be "your
fault"
forever. And after years of hearing it, you may even start to accept the
blame.

If he does something wrong and says, "That wouldn't have happened if you
hadn't
( . . . )," that's another sign of an abuser.

If he's mean to children, pets or animals, recognize that he's
pathological, and
the next victim could be you.

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

snip

He was convicted after assaulting me, he ignores the
children,
and
(like
you,
among others) tries to insist that the reasons for his
abandonment
of
the
children is someone else's fault. Do you see anything
good/positive/nice
there?
-----------------
Then why do you want him around? Or maybe you don't really.
That
is
unless
he was the idealized perfect dad you want him to be.

I never said I wanted him around me - he gives me the creeps.
As
I
asked
you
before, in message , and have
seen no
response
from you yet....

"Aren't you one of the posters to ACS who insists that
children
do
better
when
they have their father involved in their lives?"

Perhaps you'd like to respond to the question this time?
-----------
Yes dip****, I do think that kids do better with both parents
involved.
But
if one of the parents are abusive then duh, no they shouldn't be
around.
Answer your question smartass?

Any particular reason you felt the need to get sarcastic and
profane?
Was
there
something about the question that you found offensive?
-----------------
Hmmm, perhaps your writing communicated a certain "tone of voice"
and
"body
language" to me so I responded in kind.

You've been trying to slam me since the beginning, despite the fact
that
you,
like Paul and so many others, are so mistaken about so many things.
--------------
I have never 'slammed' you. I have hardly ever responded to any of your
posts. You seem to have me mixed up with somobody else.
----------

So much for a "clear record". And
I didn't particularly feel the need to answer your "question"
because
you
already know that I believe kids do better with both parents. So
what
was
your purpose in asking me something you already knew the answer to
except to
provoke me?

Because you were being inconsistant, and I thought perhaps I had you
confused
with the contingent that insisted a child should be with their father
no
matter
what.
-----------
I have never been inconsistant. You were mistaken. You listed a bunch
of
stuff your ex supposedly did that I felt would justify calling him a
terrible father, (convictions for domestic abuse, planned kidnappings).
How
is that inconsistent with the belief that having both parents is in the
best
interest of the child unless one or both have been found unfit?

In moonieland......she is pure and innocent as the wind driven snow and
everybody else in the world is wrong/at fault, her kids are perfect etc
etc.........but moonieland is quite transparent......everyone else can see
what it is really all about.....except for moonie of course.
----------------
I have no idea how I got caught up in her crap but I'm done with her now.
Usually I just prefer to sit back and laugh at her and that is just what I'm
going to go back to doing. I feel sorry for her kids and for her ex. If
she thinks she is communicating without projecting any of her bad attitude
she is way off. She really earned the name Nasty.

~AZ~



------------

And then when you got what you were hoping for you suddenly
play coy and go on the defensive?

Ummmmmmmm, I've been quite straightforward with you, and not at all
defensive.
I asked you some questions, to which I was hoping for answers. That's
usually
how a conversation goes.


Ha ha! It becomes clear why your ex
stays the hell away from you Moonie McNasty.

He stays away from me because of his "prior bad acts" - so what do you
suppose
his reasons for ignoring his children would be? I never understood
why
he
ignored his first 2 children, either.

Interesting Ann Landers Column today - I'll copy some of the more
interesting
points from it he

http://www.jsonline.com/lifestyle/ad...p04/258561.asp
------------
This is nothing new. This is all stuff I learned as a teenager.

~AZ~


DEAR ABBY
Two weeks ago, my husband let it slip that he wants a divorce. Since
we
were
married, his personality has changed completely. He is not the man I
married.

I'd like to pass along some tips for anyone considering marriage, and
share some
of the bright-red flags I chose to ignore.

If your parents or siblings have doubts about him, pay attention.
Listen
and
check it out.

If your intended has nothing good to say about his ex, beware. This is
a
pattern. Divorce is rarely only one person's fault.

If his children have nothing to do with him, do not believe him if he
says
his
ex brainwashed them against him.

Beware if he has no friends. It is not true that they all chose to
side
with his
ex.

If your friends dislike him, pay attention. This is also true if he
hates
your
friends.

If he has more than one DUI and still drinks, run!

If he is one personality at work or with others, and another person
alone
with
you, run.

If he has nothing to do with his parents, investigate why.

If he's an expert at everything and brags a lot, understand that he
will
turn
off a lot of people, eventually maybe even you.

If he is emotionally or verbally abusive, it will only get worse.
Yelling,
name-calling and glowering are classic signs of an abuser.

If he is never wrong and never apologizes, everything will be "your
fault"
forever. And after years of hearing it, you may even start to accept
the
blame.

If he does something wrong and says, "That wouldn't have happened if
you
hadn't
( . . . )," that's another sign of an abuser.

If he's mean to children, pets or animals, recognize that he's
pathological, and
the next victim could be you.

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...

snip

He was convicted after assaulting me, he ignores the
children,
and
(like
you,
among others) tries to insist that the reasons for his
abandonment
of
the
children is someone else's fault. Do you see anything
good/positive/nice
there?
-----------------
Then why do you want him around? Or maybe you don't
really.
That
is
unless
he was the idealized perfect dad you want him to be.

I never said I wanted him around me - he gives me the
creeps.
As
I
asked
you
before, in message , and
have
seen no
response
from you yet....

"Aren't you one of the posters to ACS who insists that
children
do
better
when
they have their father involved in their lives?"

Perhaps you'd like to respond to the question this time?
-----------
Yes dip****, I do think that kids do better with both
parents
involved.
But
if one of the parents are abusive then duh, no they
shouldn't be
around.
Answer your question smartass?

Any particular reason you felt the need to get sarcastic and
profane?
Was
there
something about the question that you found offensive?
-----------------
Hmmm, perhaps your writing communicated a certain "tone of
voice"
and
"body
language" to me so I responded in kind.

You've been trying to slam me since the beginning, despite the
fact
that
you,
like Paul and so many others, are so mistaken about so many
things.
--------------
I have never 'slammed' you. I have hardly ever responded to any of
your
posts. You seem to have me mixed up with somobody else.
----------

So much for a "clear record". And
I didn't particularly feel the need to answer your "question"
because
you
already know that I believe kids do better with both parents.
So
what
was
your purpose in asking me something you already knew the answer
to
except to
provoke me?

Because you were being inconsistant, and I thought perhaps I had
you
confused
with the contingent that insisted a child should be with their
father
no
matter
what.
-----------
I have never been inconsistant. You were mistaken. You listed a
bunch
of
stuff your ex supposedly did that I felt would justify calling him a
terrible father, (convictions for domestic abuse, planned
kidnappings).
How
is that inconsistent with the belief that having both parents is in
the
best
interest of the child unless one or both have been found unfit?

In moonieland......she is pure and innocent as the wind driven snow
and
everybody else in the world is wrong/at fault, her kids are perfect
etc
etc.........but moonieland is quite transparent......everyone else can
see
what it is really all about.....except for moonie of course.
----------------
I have no idea how I got caught up in her crap but I'm done with her
now.
Usually I just prefer to sit back and laugh at her and that is just what
I'm
going to go back to doing. I feel sorry for her kids and for her ex.
If
she thinks she is communicating without projecting any of her bad
attitude
she is way off. She really earned the name Nasty.

And stumpy..


~AZ~



------------

And then when you got what you were hoping for you suddenly
play coy and go on the defensive?

Ummmmmmmm, I've been quite straightforward with you, and not at
all
defensive.
I asked you some questions, to which I was hoping for answers.
That's
usually
how a conversation goes.


Ha ha! It becomes clear why your ex
stays the hell away from you Moonie McNasty.

He stays away from me because of his "prior bad acts" - so what do
you
suppose
his reasons for ignoring his children would be? I never
understood
why
he
ignored his first 2 children, either.

Interesting Ann Landers Column today - I'll copy some of the more
interesting
points from it he

http://www.jsonline.com/lifestyle/ad...p04/258561.asp
------------
This is nothing new. This is all stuff I learned as a teenager.

~AZ~


DEAR ABBY
Two weeks ago, my husband let it slip that he wants a divorce.
Since
we
were
married, his personality has changed completely. He is not the man
I
married.

I'd like to pass along some tips for anyone considering marriage,
and
share some
of the bright-red flags I chose to ignore.

If your parents or siblings have doubts about him, pay attention.
Listen
and
check it out.

If your intended has nothing good to say about his ex, beware.
This is
a
pattern. Divorce is rarely only one person's fault.

If his children have nothing to do with him, do not believe him if
he
says
his
ex brainwashed them against him.

Beware if he has no friends. It is not true that they all chose to
side
with his
ex.

If your friends dislike him, pay attention. This is also true if
he
hates
your
friends.

If he has more than one DUI and still drinks, run!

If he is one personality at work or with others, and another
person
alone
with
you, run.

If he has nothing to do with his parents, investigate why.

If he's an expert at everything and brags a lot, understand that
he
will
turn
off a lot of people, eventually maybe even you.

If he is emotionally or verbally abusive, it will only get worse.
Yelling,
name-calling and glowering are classic signs of an abuser.

If he is never wrong and never apologizes, everything will be
"your
fault"
forever. And after years of hearing it, you may even start to
accept
the
blame.

If he does something wrong and says, "That wouldn't have happened
if
you
hadn't
( . . . )," that's another sign of an abuser.

If he's mean to children, pets or animals, recognize that he's
pathological, and
the next victim could be you.