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'Doctor's priorities misplaced'?
"DOCTOR'S PRIORITIES MISPLACED'?
Pregnant women: MD-obstetricians are doing some bizarre, harmful things that are easily avoided/prevented. See ATTENTION ANY NEW PREGNANT READERS in the postscript. POLOGIRL WROTE: medical presumption is that oligohydramnios itself is a contributing factor to both. ALATH REPLIED: Much more often it is the other way around: PPPROM leading to oligo and preterm labor. I am interested in the idea of oligo as a cause of spontaneous preterm labor. Can you cite a source please? DR. GASTALDO REMARKS: I searched PubMed briefly but could find no studies which demonstrate that birth defects/oligohydramnios cause preterm labor. There do though appear to be "sources" for such an idea... From a March of Dimes site: "The most important known cause of oligohydramnios early in pregnancy is birth defects in the baby...In the first half of pregnancy, too little amniotic fluid is associated with birth defects of the lungs and limbs and increases the risk of miscarriage, preterm birth and stillbirth..." http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/188_1033.asp From a "pregnancy-facts" site: "Oligohydramnios...Low levels of amniotic fluid increase the chance of miscarriage, premature births..." http://www.pregnancy-facts.com/pregn...otic-fluid.php It seems reasonable to me that birth defects can cause oligohydramnios can cause preterm birth - i.e. - if something is wrong with the fetus - the fetus itself and/or physiologic mechanisms in the mother will stimulate early termination of the pregnancy, preterm labor and delivery. Perhaps I am missing something obvious? Todd Dr. Gastaldo Hillsboro, Oregon USA PS "DOCTOR'S PRIORITIES MISPLACED"? Alath wrote to the original poster. "I think your doctor's priorities are misplaced." Whatever the case with the original poster and what she has said about her doctor, it is cool that Pologirl and Alath are sharing their oligohydramnios knowledge/beliefs... Alath's 'doctor's priorities misplaced' comment reminds me to note that LOTS of doctors have their priorities misplaced; that is, lots of MD-obstetricians are focusing on professional health and ignoring babies' health... ATTENTION ANY NEW PREGNANT READERS... MD-obstetricians are senselessly closing birth canals up to 30% and senselessly KEEPING birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck... MD-obstetrician experts are LYING to cover-up - see below... It is easy for women to avoid these and other MD-obstetrician crimes. BEGIN **WHEN** DO FETUSES FEEL PAIN - WHAT AGE? http://groups.google.com/group/misc....e8449687a09a00 According to Susan J. Lee, JD et al.: "Evidence regarding the capacity for fetal pain is limited but indicates that fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester." --Susan J. Lee, JD et al. JAMA. 2005 Aug 24;294(8):947-54. PubMed abstract reproduced below. OBVIOUSLY THEN, FULL-TERM BABIES FEEL PAIN. (In 1987, I exposed American MDs still using phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology. See below.) I'll copy Susan J. Lee, JD via and via Attention: SUSAN J. LEE, JD and co-authors: DO YOU SUSPECT CHILD ABUSE? MD-obstetricians are doing BIZARRE painful things to FULL-TERM babies - senselessly closing birth canals up to 30% and senselessly KEEPING birth canals closed when babies get stuck - as they pull with hands, forceps and vacuums. Sometimes MD-obstetricians pull so hard they rip spinal nerves out of tiny spinal cords. Some babies die - some babies get paralyzed - most "only" suffer gruesome spinal manipulation. ALL spinal manipulation is gruesome with the birth canal senselessly closed the "extra" up to 30%. MD-obstetrician experts have been LYING to cover-up. For the Four OB Lies (they are whoppers)... See Dents in babies' skulls" http://groups.google.com/group/ misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/08abfc7ff242150e Alternate URL: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/3897 SUSAN (and co-authors), if you suspect child abuse, please report immediately as required by law. Also, please immediately go to the maternity wards at UCSF and tell MD-obstetricians they should not be keeping birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck - let alone closing birth canals the "extra" up to 30% in the first place. Thanks. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo Hillsboro, Oregon USA PS My thanks to Jason Johnson for his response (see below) which stimulated me to find the article by Susan J. Lee, JD et al.... I asked: "Does a fetus feel pain? (also: Ultrasound images are such fun but...WAAH!)" http://groups.google.com/group/misc....0c3f4f54aa7dc7 Jason Johnson replied, "A better question would be: At what age does a fetus feel pain?"... "The best way to answer the question: Does a fetus feel pain? is to have a camera crew film several 5 month old babies in a large hospital as a doctor or nurse gave the babies shots. If most of those babies cried when the shot was given, that would be proof that 5 month old babies felt pain. A better question would be: At what age does a fetus feel pain? It's my guess that the fetus does not feel pain until the second trimester." http://groups.google.com/group/misc....2732aa049bc5f0 Here's the full Lee et al. PubMed abstract... JAMA. 2005 Aug 24;294(8):947-54. PubMed Comment in: JAMA. 2006 Jan 11;295(2):159; author reply 160-1. JAMA. 2006 Jan 11;295(2):159; author reply 160-1. JAMA. 2006 Jan 11;295(2):160; author reply 160-1. Fetal pain: a systematic multidisciplinary review of the evidence. Lee SJ, Ralston HJ, Drey EA, Partridge JC, Rosen MA. School of Medicine, Department of Anatomy, University of California, San Francisco, CA 94143-0648, USA. CONTEXT: Proposed federal legislation would require physicians to inform women seeking abortions at 20 or more weeks after fertilization that the fetus feels pain and to offer anesthesia administered directly to the fetus. This article examines whether a fetus feels pain and if so, whether safe and effective techniques exist for providing direct fetal anesthesia or analgesia in the context of therapeutic procedures or abortion. EVIDENCE ACQUISITION: Systematic search of PubMed for English-language articles focusing on human studies related to fetal pain, anesthesia, and analgesia. Included articles studied fetuses of less than 30 weeks' gestational age or specifically addressed fetal pain perception or nociception. Articles were reviewed for additional references. The search was performed without date limitations and was current as of June 6, 2005. EVIDENCE SYNTHESIS: Pain perception requires conscious recognition or awareness of a noxious stimulus. Neither withdrawal reflexes nor hormonal stress responses to invasive procedures prove the existence of fetal pain, because they can be elicited by nonpainful stimuli and occur without conscious cortical processing. Fetal awareness of noxious stimuli requires functional thalamocortical connections. Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks' gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks. For fetal surgery, women may receive general anesthesia and/or analgesics intended for placental transfer, and parenteral opioids may be administered to the fetus under direct or sonographic visualization. In these circumstances, administration of anesthesia and analgesia serves purposes unrelated to reduction of fetal pain, including inhibition of fetal movement, prevention of fetal hormonal stress responses, and induction of uterine atony. CONCLUSIONS: Evidence regarding the capacity for fetal pain is limited but indicates that fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester. Little or no evidence addresses the effectiveness of direct fetal anesthetic or analgesic techniques. Similarly, limited or no data exist on the safety of such techniques for pregnant women in the context of abortion. Anesthetic techniques currently used during fetal surgery are not directly applicable to abortion procedures. END Lee et al. PubMed abstract So if we intend to KILL a fetus, the fetus shouldn't feel pain - but if we intend to - say - rip and slice an infant penis^^^ - the infant can scream and writhe and bleed - and the Feds don't give a damn? ^^^Ripping and slicing infant penises - for no medical reason - sometimes killing the infant in the process - is American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward males. Stopping the infant screams by stopping the MDs not only instantly saves America an estimated $400 million per year - it PRESERVES the surgery as a CHOICE American males can make for themselves in adulthood. The mass child abuse should have ended BILLIONS of dollars' worth of infant screams ago - back in 1987 - when I exposed American medicine's phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology. INTERESTING FACTOID #1: After I exposed the phony babies can't feel pain neurology in October 1987, in Nov. 1987 (Nov19), the NEJM published an article about the phony neurology which it had been holding back on [KJS Anand, personal communication]. NEJM simultaneously published an editorial which indicated that BABIES "incur" the pain when their penises are ripped and sliced. INTERESTING FACTOID #2: In late 1987, I petitioned Congress for an exemption from the child abuse laws for the ancient Jewish ritual that leaves most of the foreskin on the penis. In Jan. 1988, American pediatricians came out against ALL religious exemptions [Pediatrics, Jan 1988]; and in Feb. 1988, American pediatricians came out in favor of anonymity for PERPETRATORS of child abuse [Pediatrics, Feb 1988]. In March 1988, something even more incredible happened.... See again: "Does a fetus feel pain? (also: Ultrasound images are such fun but...WAAH!)" http://groups.google.com/group/misc....0c3f4f54aa7dc7 AGAIN... DOES SUSAN J. LEE, JD SUSPECT CHILD ABUSE? NOTE: In regard to the mass infant penis ripping and slicing by MDs discussed above, the California Supreme Court decided the mass infant penis ripping and slicing was legal - but the Court never heard that MDs had been using phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology to obtain "informed consent" to perform the American medicine's (still) NO MEDICAL INDICATIONS most frequent surgical behavior toward males. See 'The Heckler's veto' (also: Barrett v. Rosenthal: The Court's shaky factual bkgrnd) http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...5edd9405684253 The infant screams should have ended BILLIONS of dollars' worth of infant screams ago. Stopping the infant screams now instantly saves America an estimated $400 million per year and PRESERVES the surgery as a CHOICE that males can make for themselves in adulthood. As I told Congress in late 1987, I am in favor of an exemption from the child abuse statutes for the ancient Jewish ritual that leaves most of the foreskin on the penis. I am also in favor of pardons in advance for MDs. As medical students, MDs are TRAINED to perform obvious felonies. WHY are we letting MD-obstetricians KEEP birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck? Why are we letting them close birth canals the "extra" up to 30% in the first place? Thanks for reading everyone. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo Hillsboro, Oregon USA This post will be archived for global access in the Google usenet archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "WHEN do fetuses feel pain? - what age?" |
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