Queen's doctor warns of homoeopathy crisis

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:51:11 -0000, Myrl
wrote:

On Sep 2, 10:40 am, Peter Parry wrote:


To a degree I can agree with that, Peter. My thinking is however,
that "evidence" emanating from universities, and colleges, which are
also in the business of creating the conventional medicine practioners
have a conflict of interest.

The University of Exeter has a Department of Complementary Medicine,
and a Centre for Complementary Health Studies. It is headed by
Professor Edzard Ernst the holder of the only UK Chair in
Complementary Medicine. Professor Ernst qualified as a physician in
Germany in 1978 where he also completed his MD and PhD theses. He has
received training in acupuncture, autogenic training, herbalism,
homoeopathy, massage therapy and spinal manipulation. He was
Professor in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (PMR) at Hannover
Medical School and Head of the PMR Department at the University of
Vienna.

They are also snagging significant
amounts of money for studies, to foist the drug agendas of
pharmaseudical companies. Therefore it's possibly unlikely, these
institutions will come up with reliable findings and evidence.

The Exeter Department was initially funded by the Maurice Laing
Foundation a private grant-making trust one of the aims of which is
"the scientific research into efficacy of complementary health
treatments and their integration into general medicine". It
continues to be funded by the Rufford Maurice Laing Foundation which
shares the same aims. To date it has not received funds, directly or
indirectly, from drug companies.

The establishment of the Department to scientifically study
Complimentary Medicine was vigorously opposed not by pharmaceutical
companies but by the proponents of homeopathy and similar
"alternative" treatments who were, quite rightly, terrified of being
exposed as charlatans.

At the core of Ernsts approach is rigorous science. It was this
objective rigour which caused dismay to many "practitioners".

As he said:-

"It sounded to me so inoffensive that it was a huge surprise that
people were up in arms. Some claimed that their individualised and
holistic methods defy testing by randomised clinical trial. When I'm
being polite I say this is based on a misunderstanding of what
science is about. When I'm being less polite I say these people are
mad."

"Virtually from the word go I've had problems with the complementary
camp. Sometimes it subsides. But then as soon as we publish a
negative result it flares up. We are champions so long as we produce
positive results, but enemies when we produce negative ones."

Most of the departments studies, specifically those for Homeopathy,
have produced negative results. What they have shown is that
therapies with the most promising evidence for efficacy are those
with a psychological component.

http://www.pms.ac.uk/compmed/

They publish the "The Desktop Guide to Complementary and Alternative
Medicine: an Evidence-based Approach" ISBN 0-7234-3207-4

Some of it is available at
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=K_KEguo5BL4C&dq=&pg=PP1&ots=2RjrgKMYpJ&si g=iCaKAa012kXKQJK3Luu2Nty6bPQ&prev=http://www.google.co.uk/search%3Fq%3DDesktop%2BGuide%2BTo%2BComplementary% 2BAnd%2BAlternative%2BMedicine%253A%2BAn%2BEvidenc e%2BBased%2BApproach%2B%26sourceid%3Dnavclient-ff%26ie%3DUTF-8%26rlz%3D1B3GGGL_enGB177GB215&sa=X&oi=print&ct=ti tle#PPA75,M1

They are also involved with the Focus on Alternative and
Complimentary Therapies
http://www.medicinescomplete.com/journals/fact/current/

Time and time again homeopathy has proven to be ineffective, if
people are daft enough to pay for it that is their choice. What they
can't expect is for the state to pander to their irrationality by
funding useless treatments.



--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

"JOHN" wrote:


"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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Wouldn't this be more correctly expressed as "The homeopathy industry
is worried for its future as more and more evidence shows it is
ineffective and based upon a fallacy"
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LOL. That's allopathy


So you don't like chiropractic and naturopathy, John? They're both
allopathy according to the person who invented the word.
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On Sep 2, 2:02 pm, Peter Parry wrote:

The establishment of the Department to scientifically study
Complimentary Medicine was vigorously opposed not by pharmaceutical
companies but by the proponents of homeopathy and similar
"alternative" treatments who were, quite rightly, terrified of being
exposed as charlatans.

Peter Parry. http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/



If that is true - then that is frightening! And a total loss of
excellent funding in an excellent institution.

Peter Parry wrote:
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:05:21 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:

http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article2919644.ece
(URL no longer works - imagine that!)

Works perfectly, there goes another conspiracy theory.

According to Dr Peter Fisher, clinical director of the Royal London
Homoeopathic Hospital, there has been a 20 per cent reduction in
referrals to the hospital in the past year, as new patients are refused
funding by a growing number of primary care trusts.

That's because homeopathy is ineffective.

Dr Fisher, whose patients include the supermodel Claudia Schiffer,
pointed to the fact that some six million people in the UK use
complementary therapies each year. Advocates include David Beckham and
Catherine Zeta-Jones.

Three advocates with the brain of an Avocado between them? Is that
the best you can come up with? How about some objective proof rather
than brainless "celebs"?

Dr Fisher said: "There are some patients with conditions that
prescription drugs alone do not help.

Indeed, and Homeopathy is a moderately useful form of psychotherapy,
but it doesn't cure any physical illness.

Sure it does: dihydrogen monoxide deficiency syndrome. Just a few
glasses and you are cured.


Dr Fisher
said. "The pharmaceutical industry is worried for its future, as public
opinion is shifting towards complementary therapies."

Wouldn't this be more correctly expressed as "The homeopathy industry
is worried for its future as more and more evidence shows it is
ineffective and based upon a fallacy"

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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The establishment of the Department to scientifically study
Complimentary Medicine was vigorously opposed not by pharmaceutical
companies but by the proponents of homeopathy and similar
"alternative" treatments who were, quite rightly, terrified of being
exposed as charlatans.

At the core of Ernsts approach is rigorous science. It was this
objective rigour which caused dismay to many "practitioners".


LOL!!. Ernst is just pharma shill http://www.whale.to/a/ernst_h.html

Complementary medicine: Allopathic approved term for alternative medicine
that will work with Allopathy without rocking the Allopathic boat.
http://www.whale.to/b/terminology_h.html

In article ,
JOHN wrote:

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
.. .


The establishment of the Department to scientifically study
Complimentary Medicine was vigorously opposed not by pharmaceutical
companies but by the proponents of homeopathy and similar
"alternative" treatments who were, quite rightly, terrified of being
exposed as charlatans.

At the core of Ernsts approach is rigorous science. It was this
objective rigour which caused dismay to many "practitioners".

LOL!!. Ernst is just pharma shill http://www.whale.to/a/ernst_h.html

Pharma shill: anyone who says anything John doesn't want to hear.

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Queen's doctor warns of homoeopathy crisis
By Nina Lakhani

Homeopathy (if that's what you are referring to) is useless quack
"medicine".
Or are you referring to something to do with homosexuality?

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Queen's doctor warns of homoeopathy crisis
By Nina Lakhani

Homeopathy (if that's what you are referring to) is useless quack
"medicine".
Or are you referring to something to do with homosexuality?

me1 is still full of crap I see.

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Queen's doctor warns of homoeopathy crisis
By Nina Lakhani

Homeopathy (if that's what you are referring to) is useless quack
"medicine".
Or are you referring to something to do with homosexuality?



wonder which pharma moron this is, any guess? Kinghoff?

On Sep 4, 6:29 am, "King Bruno the Questionable"
Queen's doctor warns of homoeopathy crisis
By Nina Lakhani

Homeopathy(if that's what you are referring to) is useless quack
"medicine".
Or are you referring to something to do with homosexuality?

He was referring to the the NYC borough. The Brooklyn doctor warned
of an allopathy crisis.