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Why not fight?
Many articles speak about how unnatural things are in custody, but no
mention of fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion. http://single-parent.family.org/Web/...parent/documen ts/articles/spf001280.cfm |
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Wow, I'm psychic. I just posted a vary similar msg in the thread above this
one. You are right though. Here is what I'm doing on top of my complaining. I am a board member of AZ Father's Rights. I spend 1 Sunday a month, for 10 hours, training noobs on how to look up the statutes, cases law, ect. at the local university law library I take phone calls at home from fathers in trouble, or fathers that just need a shoulder to cry on. I write to my governor, senetors, and yes, even Geroge Bush himself. I've even written to Dr. Phil last week in fact, just to see if we could get some press. I attend monthly AZFR meetings to help the noobs and answer the questions that I can. I donate personal web space and application development time for the AZFR message board. I attend hearings of fathers that need support in the courtroom. I had a friend leave my house about 4 hours ago after going through his paperwork with him and his girlfriend regarding paternity, custody, and support. I tell everyone I know about how the laws are and my position. This cause consumes my life. So that's what I've been up too. My posts in here are just playtime. The real work is done outside of this idiot-box. Not to say I don't enjoy the discussions here. Many of you have given me a much needed head-check a time or two. -Drew "Layne Barlow" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:40:32 -0400, "Freedom" wrote: Many articles speak about how unnatural things are in custody, but no mention of fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion. http://single-parent.family.org/Web/...eparent/docume n ts/articles/spf001280.cfm Depends on where you look. This site address you posted appears to be another one of those afraid to offend public faces. It's called a free press. They can publish what they want. You don't like it, start your own. Personally, I have considerable disdain for those who whine and complain but won't do anything beyond that .... especially when it comes to supporting a real proposal to do just what you said -- "fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion." So what are *you* willing do besides just talk? |
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Drew,
You deserve applause for your efforts. Do you also hold down a job while doing all this? The main reason, I think, that ncp's do not "get involved" and fight is that we are all working fulltime, paying huge cs awards, and and almlost always braindead from working so much. I, an NCP paying CS, have been unemployed for a long time, and have been looking in vain, for a way to help the NCP cause. I looked on the net and found NOTHING to join, NOWHERE to go to attend a meeting, etc. Finally, a month ago, I found the Million Dads March, on Father's Day, in D.C. The MDM was haphazardly organized, unfortunately, and I can find NOTHING on the net about how many people showed up, who spoke, etc. I almost attended, but since I has my son that weekend, decided to stay home. I thought of having a sidewalk protest in front of my local courthouse, with a sign or two, but wanted at least one other guy to join me. Don't know any other ncp's living near me. I guess the protest by a courthouse with a sign is the way to go. Judges, lawyers, secretaries, etc would get the advertising (our signs) every day AGAINST the abusive system, which they must know is abusive to men, and since they have been indoctrinated to believe anyone who protests against the "system" is "OK" ( a liberal), then there must be somerthing right with the men's movement. My protest would be against both the "no fault" divorce laws, and against knee-jerk custody awards to women, and against "lifestyle" child support awards. I wonder how long I could do it before some judge had the cops come get my name and start surveilling me. |
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I am pro-se to my state's supreme court on support issues.
And i help others to. I join all the father's rights groups in my area and try to convince then that grass roots outreach is what is needed. "Layne Barlow" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:40:32 -0400, "Freedom" wrote: Many articles speak about how unnatural things are in custody, but no mention of fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion. http://single-parent.family.org/Web/...eparent/docume n ts/articles/spf001280.cfm Depends on where you look. This site address you posted appears to be another one of those afraid to offend public faces. It's called a free press. They can publish what they want. You don't like it, start your own. Personally, I have considerable disdain for those who whine and complain but won't do anything beyond that .... especially when it comes to supporting a real proposal to do just what you said -- "fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion." So what are *you* willing do besides just talk? |
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"Layne Barlow" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:40:32 -0400, "Freedom" wrote: Many articles speak about how unnatural things are in custody, but no mention of fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion. http://single-parent.family.org/Web/...eparent/docume n ts/articles/spf001280.cfm Depends on where you look. This site address you posted appears to be another one of those afraid to offend public faces. It's called a free press. They can publish what they want. You don't like it, start your own. Personally, I have considerable disdain for those who whine and complain but won't do anything beyond that .... especially when it comes to supporting a real proposal to do just what you said -- "fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion." So what are *you* willing do besides just talk? Layne - I understand what you are getting at but there is a general frustration level from fathers everywhere with politicans ignoring input that doesn't fit their pre-determined templates for thinking. Take one of our favorite state representatives as an example. Max Williams heads up the House Judiciary Committee that controls CS issues in our state. There is no way to justify how he kisses the state AG's butt in the public hearing we both testified at, tells NCP's testifying they don't understand the CS system, informs people appearing before his committee the state HAS to comply with Federal mandates, and then turns around and becomes the biggest RINO of all supporting a legislature imposed state sales tax and other fee increases despite the fact the sales tax initiatives have been voted down NINE times. I know we can't give up, but fathers have got to find someone who is going to listen to our concerns with an open mind and not blow off any ideas that rock the status quo. In our state the guy who should be listening to us refuses to acknowledge what he hears as being valid. How would you suggest fathers get the legislature to listen to what we are saying and act on it? |
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Layne - I understand what you are getting at but there is a general
frustration level from fathers everywhere with politicans ignoring input that doesn't fit their pre-determined templates for thinking. Exactly. In the "template for thinking", divorced dads seem to be not even a blip on the radar screen for any pol, either Repub or Dem, or even independent. Not one single pol ever mentions "no fault" divorce or child support, except to mention "deadbeat dads". As long as there is no MEDIA ATTENTION to the reality of CS and divorce laws, and as long as ALL the pols continue to knee-jerk the same way, nothing changes. But once at least ONE pol starts courting the "divorced dads" vote (which I have never heard mentioned), the rest might get on the bandwagon. And the way that one first pol gets on is that we somehow get MEDIA ATTENTION and media favor. I guess we will never get media favor as long as the media is leftist, however..... frustrating.... And even the conservative media doesn't like us apparently.... geez.... they must have a "template for thinking too".... Well, I suppose the grass roots stuff is still a possibility. |
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Lecher9000 wrote:
Layne - I understand what you are getting at but there is a general frustration level from fathers everywhere with politicans ignoring input that doesn't fit their pre-determined templates for thinking. Exactly. In the "template for thinking", divorced dads seem to be not even a blip on the radar screen for any pol, either Repub or Dem, or even independent. Not one single pol ever mentions "no fault" divorce or child support, except to mention "deadbeat dads". As long as there is no MEDIA ATTENTION to the reality of CS and divorce laws, and as long as ALL the pols continue to knee-jerk the same way, nothing changes. But once at least ONE pol starts courting the "divorced dads" vote (which I have never heard mentioned), the rest might get on the bandwagon. And the way that one first pol gets on is that we somehow get MEDIA ATTENTION and media favor. I guess we will never get media favor as long as the media is leftist, however..... frustrating.... And even the conservative media doesn't like us apparently.... geez.... they must have a "template for thinking too".... Well, I suppose the grass roots stuff is still a possibility. You're right about the conservative media, but remember that fathers are starting from ground zero here. I have had some experience in dealing with reporters, and you have to start with the understanding that all of them -- be they liberal, or the tiny handful of conservatives -- have bought into the lying feminist propaganda, which goes virtually unchallenged because there's no "masculinist" group to challenge it. One of the first things to point out is that the great majority of single parent families in the U.S. today are the result of decisions made by mothers, not fathers. One reason why the media demonizes fathers is because they think fathers have ditched their families, instead of being expelled from them. And never-married mothers had post-conception reproductive choices (abortion, abandonment, and adoption) that were denied to the fathers. One of the first things to do is to explode the myth of mothers as the victims of fathers. |
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:15:18 -0700, "Father Drew"
wrote: Wow, I'm psychic. I just posted a vary similar msg in the thread above this one. You are right though. Here is what I'm doing on top of my complaining. I am a board member of AZ Father's Rights. I spend 1 Sunday a month, for 10 hours, training noobs on how to look up the statutes, cases law, ect. at the local university law library I take phone calls at home from fathers in trouble, or fathers that just need a shoulder to cry on. I write to my governor, senetors, and yes, even Geroge Bush himself. I've even written to Dr. Phil last week in fact, just to see if we could get some press. I attend monthly AZFR meetings to help the noobs and answer the questions that I can. I donate personal web space and application development time for the AZFR message board. I attend hearings of fathers that need support in the courtroom. I had a friend leave my house about 4 hours ago after going through his paperwork with him and his girlfriend regarding paternity, custody, and support. I tell everyone I know about how the laws are and my position. This cause consumes my life. So that's what I've been up too. My posts in here are just playtime. The real work is done outside of this idiot-box. Not to say I don't enjoy the discussions here. Many of you have given me a much needed head-check a time or two. -Drew Good to see you're involved. Where are you? Layne "Layne Barlow" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:40:32 -0400, "Freedom" wrote: Many articles speak about how unnatural things are in custody, but no mention of fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion. http://single-parent.family.org/Web/...eparent/docume n ts/articles/spf001280.cfm Depends on where you look. This site address you posted appears to be another one of those afraid to offend public faces. It's called a free press. They can publish what they want. You don't like it, start your own. Personally, I have considerable disdain for those who whine and complain but won't do anything beyond that .... especially when it comes to supporting a real proposal to do just what you said -- "fighting the corrupt system that feeds the inequity, injustice and perversion." So what are *you* willing do besides just talk? |
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Layne Barlow wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:51:58 -0400, "Kenneth S." wrote: Lecher9000 wrote: Layne - I understand what you are getting at but there is a general frustration level from fathers everywhere with politicans ignoring input that doesn't fit their pre-determined templates for thinking. Exactly. In the "template for thinking", divorced dads seem to be not even a blip on the radar screen for any pol, either Repub or Dem, or even independent. Not one single pol ever mentions "no fault" divorce or child support, except to mention "deadbeat dads". As long as there is no MEDIA ATTENTION to the reality of CS and divorce laws, and as long as ALL the pols continue to knee-jerk the same way, nothing changes. But once at least ONE pol starts courting the "divorced dads" vote (which I have never heard mentioned), the rest might get on the bandwagon. And the way that one first pol gets on is that we somehow get MEDIA ATTENTION and media favor. I guess we will never get media favor as long as the media is leftist, however..... frustrating.... And even the conservative media doesn't like us apparently.... geez.... they must have a "template for thinking too".... Well, I suppose the grass roots stuff is still a possibility. You're right about the conservative media, but remember that fathers are starting from ground zero here. I have had some experience in dealing with reporters, and you have to start with the understanding that all of them -- be they liberal, or the tiny handful of conservatives -- have bought into the lying feminist propaganda, which goes virtually unchallenged because there's no "masculinist" group to challenge it. One of the first things to point out is that the great majority of single parent families in the U.S. today are the result of decisions made by mothers, not fathers. One reason why the media demonizes fathers is because they think fathers have ditched their families, instead of being expelled from them. And never-married mothers had post-conception reproductive choices (abortion, abandonment, and adoption) that were denied to the fathers. One of the first things to do is to explode the myth of mothers as the victims of fathers. Not to mention you usually don't have to look too far before you find either reporters, or people they're close to, who have discovered the knee-in-the-groin which is our family law system. Layne That factor MIGHT be helpful, Layne. However, you've got to bear in mind that there is a prevailing orthodoxy in the U.S. media about all kinds of things, including the war between the sexes. You've also got to bear in mind that most reporters who write about family law matters are women -- nearly always of a distinctly feminist turn of mind. A male reporter who writes about family law matters may feel that fathers have a case. But this feeling is unlikely to be reflected in his story -- any more than some other story would reflect feelings of sympathy for white supremacists if the reporter felt them. It would be a career-killer for a story to reflect these points of view, and any such story wouldn't get published anyway. Suppose you're a male reporter who's paying lots of "child support" because he's been screwed by the system. Would you want to make your situation worse by producing a story that is very unlikely to be published anyway about the plight of fathers like him? |
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