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On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 00:25:21 -0600, in misc.health.alternative, Marc
Bissonnette wrote: Mark I hope you don't mind, I set follow-ups out of the support group. Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- jumped out of the airlock. These were their final words before their head exploded: : On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:46:09 -0500, in misc.health.alternative, dr_jeff wrote: On 12/2/10 9:11 PM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/2/10 10:29 AM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/2/10 3:42 AM, john wrote: http://whale.to/cancer.html Thank you for showing how alternative medicine has a whole bunch of unsupported claims based on no evidence. All alternative medicine is interested in is making money. Allopathic medicine has increased the survival rate for kids with cancer to over 75% and the survival rate for all people with cancer to around 60%. It is far from ideal, but compared to the alternatives (which in the case of alternative medicine is really nothing), it is far better. Jeff More tin can rattling from the allopathic mob. Don't you ever get tired of rationalising allopathic medicine with cures always "just around the corner" for this and that? 75% of kids being cured doesn't sound like "just around the corner." Doesn't sound too bad if its true. It is. However, there are some cures that were 100% such as rife's. So? Where is the Rife's cure today? What is the evidence that it works? There was no evidence back in the day. That's why there was court action. It was deemed a scam/con. What I've heard is that "cured" means 5 years alive from diagnosis. That cutoff is often used. After all, if you use a much longer time-frame, you would have to wait like 60 years for cures of kids with cancer. While there are exceptions, if a cancer doesn't recur within five years, it rarely does. What I've also heard is on average people live longer with no treatment than conventional. You've heard? That's not strong evidence. Hear-say or is the mere-say? People with certain types and stages of cancer are not helped with conventional. But considering that over 50% are cured, what you heard is incorrect. I known people that had pancreatic cancer lived over 5-8 years after treatments. And the nice thing is those extra years are something they wouldn't have had without the treatments. "Oh science hasn't got all the answers, but alternative medicine is wrong" blah blah blah! No one ever said science has all the answers. However, alternative medicine is unproven, at best. On the one hand you say that science doesn't have all the answers, and on the other hand you say that it knows that alternative remedies don't work. Which is to say that allopathic knows alternative is no good because it doesn't follow the same rules as allopathic. There have been alternative treatments that have been suppressed you know, they say they're "quack" medicine and get rid of them as quickly as they can in the interests of "getting rid of snake oil salesmen". Well that's what is called a "cover story". The real reason is protect the profits of big pharma. The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. My own membership to the club began 15 years ago with a melanoma being removed. After that each biopsy done, and every doctor visit sets you a little on edge. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Carole made some claim in a follow up that Cancer is the result of leading a bad life, eating the wrong types of food and living an unhealthy life style. One word for her: Neuroblastoma, it has been seen in babies a matter of days old. yes, she can sit and take her cell salts and make her very silly and ignorant claims. and she can afford to do this because she sits safe and personally un effected. -- Bob Officer "One of my pet hates is being made an idiot out of ...but you go right ahead" Carole Hubbard in Message-ID: . com |
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On 12/3/10 11:00 AM, carole wrote:
"Marc wrote in message 31... The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. Not me. I've had first hand experience being treated by allopathic medicine from my appendicitis incident many years ago. A person needs to take responsibility for their own health. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living -- you know, cause and effect. Yet some people who eat a horrible diet don't get cancer and others who have a great diet do get cancer. In addition, some young kids get cancer. Obviously, it is more than just "faulty eating and living." Jeff |
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"Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 131... "carole" jumped out of the airlock. These were their final words before their head exploded: ond.com: "Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message 31... The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. Not me. I've had first hand experience being treated by allopathic medicine from my appendicitis incident many years ago. A person needs to take responsibility for their own health. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living -- you know, cause and effect. Um. No. Guess what ? I was a firefighter for six years. Guess what ? I got cancer. Guess what ? 67% of all firefighters have to deal with cancer (Full time and on-call) Breathing dangerous smoke or living under stress - contributes to cancer. Guess what ? It wasn't lung cancer, either. "First time experience with regards to appendicitis" ? Big deal. Big deal to your big deal. My appendix burst - literally - when I was 14. Surgeons corrected the issue and - surprise, surprise - I am still here today. While I don't know enough about you to say this categorically, but it sounds like you have an almost dangerous lack of knowledge of how the human body works. Sounds like you have no idea about alternative health. I am not interested in bolstering up the achievements of the cancer industry - from my POV cancer cures is a big con. The real cures have all been discovered then hushed up because there is big money in curing cancer and vested interests involved. After I had my appendicitis run-in I decided to take responsibility for my own health and not depend on these "experts" who had trouble even diagnosing my problem letalone a cure because I had a relapse after the appendectomy and they then proceeded to do all sorts of tests to determine what else might be the problem. They never did work it out and I decided to take responsibility for my own health and no thanks to their quack cures I have cured all sorts of problems from allergies, asthma, infections, rheumatic issues. Allopathic medicine is just one huge con designed to get people dependent on pharmaceutical drugs. -- carole www.conspiracee.com "Its pretty hard to keep in touch with reality when you see so little of it." |
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 12/3/10 11:00 AM, carole wrote: "Marc wrote in message 31... The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. Not me. I've had first hand experience being treated by allopathic medicine from my appendicitis incident many years ago. A person needs to take responsibility for their own health. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living -- you know, cause and effect. Yet some people who eat a horrible diet don't get cancer and others who have a great diet do get cancer. In addition, some young kids get cancer. Obviously, it is more than just "faulty eating and living." Jeff Look Jeff, I'm not absolutely sure why some people get cancer and some don't. In my past I've have had some terrible diet and abused my body a lot when I smoked and lost so much weight I went down to under 7 stone at one point. If anybody should have had cancer it would have been me. I can only go by what the orthopaths say that there are seven stages of disease, http://www.aol.org.au/wp-content/upl...ges-newest.pdf although it doesn't really answer all my questions. What I consider contributes to ill health more than anything is acidosis, a diet that has the ability to cause over acid buildup. Look up CANCER + ALKALISE (or ALKALIZE). -- carole www.conspiracee.com "Its pretty hard to keep in touch with reality when you see so little of it." |
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On 12/4/10 6:54 PM, carole wrote:
"Marc wrote in message . 131... jumped out of the airlock. These were their final words before their head exploded: ond.com: "Marc wrote in message 31... The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. Not me. I've had first hand experience being treated by allopathic medicine from my appendicitis incident many years ago. A person needs to take responsibility for their own health. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living -- you know, cause and effect. Um. No. Guess what ? I was a firefighter for six years. Guess what ? I got cancer. Guess what ? 67% of all firefighters have to deal with cancer (Full time and on-call) Breathing dangerous smoke or living under stress - contributes to cancer. Stress contributes to cancer? Evidence, please. Guess what ? It wasn't lung cancer, either. "First time experience with regards to appendicitis" ? Big deal. Big deal to your big deal. My appendix burst - literally - when I was 14. Surgeons corrected the issue and - surprise, surprise - I am still here today. While I don't know enough about you to say this categorically, but it sounds like you have an almost dangerous lack of knowledge of how the human body works. Sounds like you have no idea about alternative health. Actually, he's correct when he says you have no ides how the human body works. And, about science and medicine. I am not interested in bolstering up the achievements of the cancer industry - from my POV cancer cures is a big con. The real cures have all been discovered then hushed up because there is big money in curing cancer and vested interests involved. Gee, and people wouldn't make fortunes if they marketed the "real cures." And the drug makers wouldn't want to make part of the fortune, either. After I had my appendicitis run-in I decided to take responsibility for my own health and not depend on these "experts" who had trouble even diagnosing my problem letalone a cure because I had a relapse after the appendectomy and they then proceeded to do all sorts of tests to determine what else might be the problem. Have you ever tried to make a medical diagnosis? It's as easy as you think. They never did work it out and I decided to take responsibility for my own health and no thanks to their quack cures I have cured all sorts of problems from allergies, asthma, infections, rheumatic issues. As you got older, they got better on their own. One of the best treatments is time. Likewise, my allergies got better as I got older. Allopathic medicine is just one huge con designed to get people dependent on pharmaceutical drugs. Tell that to the 75-80% of the families of kids with cancer who are cured as well as the over 50% of adults whose cancer is cured. Tell that the burn victim who gets to walk out of the hospital. Tell that to heart attack patient who is able to play with his great grand kids. Tell that to the families of older people whose macular degeneration was stopped or even reversed thanks to new medicines. Tell that to all all the families of patients who died of smallpox last year, too. Oops, thanks to allpathic medicine, there isn't any. You don't have any idea how the body works, how medicine works or what a sham conjecture-based medicine (aka con-med or alternative medicine) is. Jeff |
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On 12/4/10 7:11 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ... On 12/3/10 11:00 AM, carole wrote: "Marc wrote in message 31... The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. Not me. I've had first hand experience being treated by allopathic medicine from my appendicitis incident many years ago. A person needs to take responsibility for their own health. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living -- you know, cause and effect. Yet some people who eat a horrible diet don't get cancer and others who have a great diet do get cancer. In addition, some young kids get cancer. Obviously, it is more than just "faulty eating and living." Jeff Look Jeff, I'm not absolutely sure why some people get cancer and some don't. A better statement would be that you don't have a clue why some people get cancer and others don't. In my past I've have had some terrible diet and abused my body a lot when I smoked and lost so much weight I went down to under 7 stone at one point. If anybody should have had cancer it would have been me. Why? I can only go by what the orthopaths say that there are seven stages of disease, http://www.aol.org.au/wp-content/upl...ges-newest.pdf although it doesn't really answer all my questions. Gee, it doesn't answer any questions, really. One question is why don't people get heart cancer often? And another is how does genetics and DNA damage fit in with this paradigm? What I consider contributes to ill health more than anything is acidosis, a diet that has the ability to cause over acid buildup. Look up CANCER + ALKALISE (or ALKALIZE). Why? I keep the pH and acidity level of my body nicely with just using nature's way: Taking a whiz. The kidneys and lungs keep the acids just right for the body. In fact, they keep my blood at pH 7.4, more or less (7.4 +/- 0.04 is the normal value for blood pH). The acid theory is meant to take money from idiots who have no clue how bodies work and are too stupid to learn for themselves. You should look in the mirror and decide for yourself if the last sentence fits you. Jeff |
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:11:40 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
"carole" wrote: Follow-ups set. "dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 12/3/10 11:00 AM, carole wrote: "Marc wrote in message 31... The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. Not me. I've had first hand experience being treated by allopathic medicine from my appendicitis incident many years ago. A person needs to take responsibility for their own health. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living -- you know, cause and effect. Yet some people who eat a horrible diet don't get cancer and others who have a great diet do get cancer. In addition, some young kids get cancer. Obviously, it is more than just "faulty eating and living." Jeff Look Jeff, I'm not absolutely sure why some people get cancer and some don't. But Carole you just said you did above. or do you not understand your words? you said: cite "Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living --" /cite Then followed up with a fallacy cite "you know, cause and effect." /cite So now you start contradicting yourself, again. In my past I've have had some terrible diet and abused my body a lot when I smoked and lost so much weight I went down to under 7 stone at one point. If anybody should have had cancer it would have been me. Why is that? I can only go by what the orthopaths say that there are seven stages of disease, http://www.aol.org.au/wp-content/upl...ges-newest.pdf although it doesn't really answer all my questions. With your fungus they you would be at deaths door. after all you never really got rid of it. a Simple slide at your last breakout point would verify it. What I consider contributes to ill health more than anything is acidosis, a diet that has the ability to cause over acid buildup. Look up CANCER + ALKALISE (or ALKALIZE). which is nonsense, Carole. You have just admitted you don't know what the **** you are talking about, only parroting what you read some a mere-say-so web site operated by a would be con-artist. -- Bob Officer "One of my pet hates is being made an idiot out of ...but you go right ahead" Carole Hubbard in Message-ID: . com |
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 12/4/10 6:54 PM, carole wrote: "Marc wrote in message . 131... jumped out of the airlock. These were their final words before their head exploded: ond.com: Um. No. Guess what ? I was a firefighter for six years. Guess what ? I got cancer. Guess what ? 67% of all firefighters have to deal with cancer (Full time and on-call) Breathing dangerous smoke or living under stress - contributes to cancer. Stress contributes to cancer? Evidence, please. I am going by the orthopaths 7 stages of disease. In Stage 1 below different causes are given for energation, one can be stress which causes a depletion of nervous energy. http://www.nvo.com/truthinhealth/chart/ Stage 1 - "Enervation" Stage 2 - "Intoxication / Irritation" Stage 3 - "Irritation of the Cells" Stage 4 - "Inflammation/Necrosis" Stage 5 - "Induration" Stage 6 - "Ulceration/Tumors" Stage 7 - "Fungation/Terminal Disease" Guess what ? It wasn't lung cancer, either. "First time experience with regards to appendicitis" ? Big deal. Big deal to your big deal. My appendix burst - literally - when I was 14. Surgeons corrected the issue and - surprise, surprise - I am still here today. While I don't know enough about you to say this categorically, but it sounds like you have an almost dangerous lack of knowledge of how the human body works. Sounds like you have no idea about alternative health. Yes, I do have an idea about alternative health and its superiority over the allopathic method. Actually, he's correct when he says you have no ides how the human body works. And, about science and medicine. I am not interested in bolstering up the achievements of the cancer industry - from my POV cancer cures is a big con. The real cures have all been discovered then hushed up because there is big money in curing cancer and vested interests involved. Gee, and people wouldn't make fortunes if they marketed the "real cures." And the drug makers wouldn't want to make part of the fortune, either. If the real cures were freely available and the real cause of disease commonly known, the health bill would go way down. Today's economy operates on the idea of scarcity. How scarce a commodity is decides what price is put on that commodity, and so we have all sorts of scams invented by the creative to make certain things scare. Whatever is scarce becomes valuable. This is the reason why cancer cures are suppressed and cancer is made to be such a fearful disease, so that the "safe and efficacious" pharmaceutical products can be offered. If the cheap alternatives were thrown into the ring, then pharmaceutical prices would drop like a suffle gone wrong. After I had my appendicitis run-in I decided to take responsibility for my own health and not depend on these "experts" who had trouble even diagnosing my problem letalone a cure because I had a relapse after the appendectomy and they then proceeded to do all sorts of tests to determine what else might be the problem. Have you ever tried to make a medical diagnosis? It's as easy as you think. Only on myself. I diagnose that I get athletes foot flare ups periodically. Now before you think this is a joke, you should realise that there has never been any connection made between nutrition and fungal infections, yet I can cut short a fungal attack using cellsalts taken orally. Not such an insignificant discovery. They never did work it out and I decided to take responsibility for my own health and no thanks to their quack cures I have cured all sorts of problems from allergies, asthma, infections, rheumatic issues. As you got older, they got better on their own. One of the best treatments is time. Likewise, my allergies got better as I got older. Sure. Except the conditions that get worse as you get older. Allopathic medicine is just one huge con designed to get people dependent on pharmaceutical drugs. Tell that to the 75-80% of the families of kids with cancer who are cured as well as the over 50% of adults whose cancer is cured. Tell that the burn victim who gets to walk out of the hospital. Tell that to heart attack patient who is able to play with his great grand kids. Tell that to the families of older people whose macular degeneration was stopped or even reversed thanks to new medicines. Tell that to all all the families of patients who died of smallpox last year, too. Oops, thanks to allpathic medicine, there isn't any. I'm not talking about first aid, setting bones, treating burns or operations to separate conjoined twins. There are things that conventional medicine does very well. What I'm talking about is treatment of chronic disease and cancer where there are a whole heap of suppressed remedies. Obviously the pharmaceutical mob have to make a show of curing people otherwise they would be laughed out of town, however, they still have a fair proportion of failures to impress on people how dangerous and deadly the disease is and how dependent people need to be on their cures. The Government Is Lying to You about Alternative Cancer Treatments http://www.burtongoldberg.com/page43.html -- Carole www.conspiracee.com "Exploiting workers was always the way the capitalists primarily amassed their fortunes. Several years ago, a member of Dennis Lee's organization had lunch with a Rockefeller heir. The heir said that he knew of no rich American family (at the level of dynastic wealth) that made its fortune honestly. In America at least, behind every great fortune is a great crime." --http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm |
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 12/4/10 7:11 PM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/3/10 11:00 AM, carole wrote: "Marc wrote in message 31... The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. Not me. I've had first hand experience being treated by allopathic medicine from my appendicitis incident many years ago. A person needs to take responsibility for their own health. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living -- you know, cause and effect. Yet some people who eat a horrible diet don't get cancer and others who have a great diet do get cancer. In addition, some young kids get cancer. Obviously, it is more than just "faulty eating and living." Jeff Look Jeff, I'm not absolutely sure why some people get cancer and some don't. A better statement would be that you don't have a clue why some people get cancer and others don't. That's not entirely correct Dr Jeff. According to the 7 stages of disease http://www.nvo.com/truthinhealth/chart/ and http://worldpeacepoll.com/fabradio/h...es-of-disease/ there is a process involved. A big part of the problem is toxemia http://www.getwellstaywellamerica.co...ToxemiaPg2.htm In my past I've have had some terrible diet and abused my body a lot when I smoked and lost so much weight I went down to under 7 stone at one point. If anybody should have had cancer it would have been me. Why? Bad diet and stress. I can only go by what the orthopaths say that there are seven stages of disease, http://www.aol.org.au/wp-content/upl...ges-newest.pdf although it doesn't really answer all my questions. Gee, it doesn't answer any questions, really. One question is why don't people get heart cancer often? And another is how does genetics and DNA damage fit in with this paradigm? You're getting ahead of yourself with these more advanced questions Dr Jeff. Go back to basics and examine the basic premise first. What I consider contributes to ill health more than anything is acidosis, a diet that has the ability to cause over acid buildup. Look up CANCER + ALKALISE (or ALKALIZE). Why? I keep the pH and acidity level of my body nicely with just using nature's way: Taking a whiz. The kidneys and lungs keep the acids just right for the body. In fact, they keep my blood at pH 7.4, more or less (7.4 +/- 0.04 is the normal value for blood pH). Of course this is what you're taught at your dumbed down medical schools. But where do you think that all the alkaline minerals come from that keep your blood at the right pH? Out of your bones dimwit. The acid theory is meant to take money from idiots who have no clue how bodies work and are too stupid to learn for themselves. Unfortunately Dr Jeff you have not been taught how to think, merely how to absorb and regurgitate the lies of big pharma. They don't want people to know the cheap and easy way to cure anything. It is much more convenient for them for people to become dependent on their "safe and efficacious" drugs. Now the latest trend is organ transplants and they get about $15K pa for the anti-rejection drugs - that adds up over a person's lifetime. They would rather have people getting organ transplants than stop the degeneration of their own organs. You should look in the mirror and decide for yourself if the last sentence fits you. Which sentence is that Dr Jeff? -- Carole www.conspiracee.com "Exploiting workers was always the way the capitalists primarily amassed their fortunes. Several years ago, a member of Dennis Lee's organization had lunch with a Rockefeller heir. The heir said that he knew of no rich American family (at the level of dynastic wealth) that made its fortune honestly. In America at least, behind every great fortune is a great crime." --http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm |
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"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:11:40 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: Follow-ups set. "dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 12/3/10 11:00 AM, carole wrote: "Marc wrote in message 31... The sad thing is that is "Carole" ever "joined the club" (And may she never receive that dubious honour) - She'd be sitting in an oncology clinic, just like so many of us have to date. Not me. I've had first hand experience being treated by allopathic medicine from my appendicitis incident many years ago. A person needs to take responsibility for their own health. It is all too easy to make preposterous claims about "The Man", when you can sit, nice, safe and comfy from a position of non-cancer. Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living -- you know, cause and effect. Yet some people who eat a horrible diet don't get cancer and others who have a great diet do get cancer. In addition, some young kids get cancer. Obviously, it is more than just "faulty eating and living." Jeff Look Jeff, I'm not absolutely sure why some people get cancer and some don't. But Carole you just said you did above. or do you not understand your words? you said: cite "Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty eating and living --" /cite Yes, but I'm not absolutely sure what faulty eating and living is, bob and it no doubt differs from person to person. -- carole www.conspiracee.com "Its pretty hard to keep in touch with reality when you see so little of it." |
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