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Ashley Treatment, they treat Ashley like a dog
http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/
The Ashley Treatment is wrong. Wrong in so many fragging ways. They treat Ashley as if she was a dog. You never take awaya a person's humanity. You never make them less human. The parents, the doctors had no right to do this. Ashley is nine now. In the next 10 or 20 years they might find a treatment or cure. I mean we can take cells and grow a liver or a heart. There is hope for Ashley, there is hope for everyone. If this was my child I could never do this. There is no such thing as false hope, there is only hope. Mary Vallis, National Post Published: Friday, January 05, 2007 An American couple have had doctors stunt their disabled nine-year-old daughter's growth in the hopes of keeping her small enough to enable them to care for her. Ashley has been diagnosed with static encephalopathy, or severe brain damage. She has the mental age of a three- to six-month old. She cannot speak, relies on a feeding tube for nourishment and cannot move on her own. Yet the girl is an integral member of her family, who live in Washington state: Her parents say she loves Andrea Bocelli's booming voice -- they joke the singer is her boyfriend. Her parents and grandparents do everything for her and call her their "pillow angel" because she stays wherever they put her, usually on a pillow. When Ashley started showing signs of puberty early at age six, her parents feared she would quickly grow too big for them to lift. Doctors at Children's Hospital in Seattle stunted her growth with high doses of estrogen; she finished the regimen a few weeks ago. They also removed her uterus, appendix and breast buds. The girl is now 4-foot-5, weighs 65 pounds and is unlikely to get any bigger. Her family says the treatment limited her height by about 20%, or 13 inches. The doctors call it growth attenuation therapy. Her parents, who have not disclosed their name, call it the "Ashley treatment." The controversial case, believed to be the only one of its kind, is prompting a debate over the rights of the disabled and their caregivers. Ashley's doctors published a report on the case in a medical journal in October, prompting comparisons with the Terry Schiavo case in Florida. Critics argue Ashley's treatment made life easier for her family, but does not benefit the girl herself. "I think we would work to treat the conditions without stripping [disabled people] of what little humanity they still have. This brings me back to when we just lobotomized them," one reader from Florida wrote on an online message board. "I can understand a hysterectomy for her health, but more than that practically turns a human being into a doll." This week, Ashley's parents launched a blog explaining their decision. The site also features supportive comments from other families caring for disabled children and snapshots of Ashley, blue-eyed and smiling wide. The treatment, they say, was not a matter of convenience, but rather an attempt to help their daughter. "Faced with Ashley's medical reality, as her deeply loving parents, we worked with her doctors to do all we could to provide Ashley with the best possible quality of life," they write. By keeping her small, they say, they can continue to push Ashley around the house in her customized stroller and bathe her in a standard-size bathtub. And it takes only one person to lift her, making it easier for her to be moved into the backyard and to social gatherings, instead of "lying down in her bed and staring at TV (or the ceiling) all day long." The removal of her breast buds and uterus was also practical. The procedures eliminate any risk of breast cancer and menstrual cramps and make her wheelchair more comfortable (it has a chest strap). They also make it less likely Ashley would be sexually abused by a future caregiver, the parents add. "Some question how God might view this treatment. The God we know wants Ashley to have a good quality of life and wants her parents to be diligent about using every resource at their disposal (including the brains that He endowed them with) to maximize her quality of life," they write. Some medical ethicists say the medical regimen is "probably inherently wrong." "May we redesign disabled people to make them easier to care for?" asked Dr. Margaret Somerville, founder of McGill University's Centre for Medicine, Ethics and Law. She said people should examine their intuitive reaction to the case and question whether it is ethically justified to override that feeling. "We've got to start from the basic presumption in favour of the natural. The 'natural' is that she gets all opportunities to develop that anybody else would have," she explained. "If we're going to inhibit that natural development, we've got to have very strong justification for doing that. Therefore, the question is: Is making her easier to carry a sufficient justification for that very invasive surgical intervention?" It is also important to ask whether there are alternatives that would have met the same goals, Dr. Somerville added. "The alternative is not to change her, but to change the circumstances in which she and her parents find themselves, and to give them human support that will enable the same things to be achieved." Indeed, an editorial that ran alongside the report in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine warned that the strategy proposed by Ashley's doctors is "highly speculative" and "ill advised." Dr. Jeffrey Brosco, a Miami pediatrician and co-author of the editorial, asked whether it is "an attempt at a medical fix to what's really a social and political problem" -- parents like Ashley's who do not have enough access to social support and home care. Ashley's doctors disagree. They say the potential side effects are minimal and the treatment directly benefits their young patient, regardless of whether she is cared for at home, in an institution or in foster care. "In reality, Ashley being smaller means that she will be moved more, that she will be held more, that she will be bathed more. All of these things are inherently good for Ashley herself," Dr. Daniel Gunther, the pediatric endocrinologist who oversaw her treatment, said in an interview. The hospital's ethics committee approved the treatment. "I understand how people have an initial visceral reaction to this that is negative," Dr. Gunther conceded. "But if people step back and really start thinking about what is best for this child and what is in her best interests, I think many people will come to the conclusion that this is a relatively low-risk procedure with a great deal of benefit for the child." He added the debate has reminded him of a quote from Isaac Asimov: "Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/ |
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Ashley Treatment, they treat Ashley like a dog
sam7i5erotdkhgcx wrote: http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/ The Ashley Treatment is wrong. Wrong in so many fragging ways. They treat Ashley as if she was a dog. No, they didn't. I think your average dog owner would disagree as well, as most people don't carry their 65-pound dog from room to room, change their diaper, and give them full-immersion baths, or feed them, or cuddle them. You never take awaya a person's humanity. You never make them less human. And they haven't. She' still quite human. And I suspect the very small adults out there would agree that they are human, even if they have had a hystectomy. The parents, the doctors had no right to do this. shrug I suppose that's a matter of opinion. Ashley is nine now. In the next 10 or 20 years they might find a treatment or cure. I mean we can take cells and grow a liver or a heart. Well, no we cannot. We cannot grow a liver or a heart. Maybe soon. It's being worked on. But it cannot now be done. I've heard that doctors can currently grow a new bladder, but that's the only successful one at this point. So she's got to suffer for 20+ years on the off chance they might cure her, when we have no way of knowing if it will ever happen? And I might add, most doctors think there will NEVER be a cure. And if they've progressed to the point of growing a new brains, don't you think they might also be able to grow her a new uterus? And turn on her growth genes so she could grow a bit more? There is hope for Ashley, there is hope for everyone. If this was my child I could never do this. Then don't. But you'd rather put her in an institution where she'll wash TV all day, and where they'll have to strap her up and take several people to put her into a bath once a month? People with her condition tend toward obesity, and it's just not easy to change the diapers of a 5'6" tall, 250 pound woman, or bathe her, or cuddle her. And because these things are so difficult, they are often not done enough to prevent problems. Christopher Reeve, who had excellent care, still died of complications surrounding bed sores. There is no such thing as false hope, there is only hope. You know what? Go volunteer at a home for severely disabled adults for a couple of years, and then come back and see if you feel the same. Sanctimony isn't useful Cathy Weeks |
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Ashley Treatment, they treat Ashley like a dog
thank you Cathy for putting it so well. I agree with you on many
points and also agree largely with Ashley's parents and their motivation for their decision. I think if we could ask the adult victims of severe disability if they wouldn't rather have a smaller body so their caregivers could hold them and rock them and carry and move them and fill their lives with more interest and less bodily discomfort- ie bedsores- I think they would gladly trade their adult bodies for the benefits Ashley will enjoy. lissa |
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Ashley Treatment, they treat Ashley like a dog
I'm with Cathy Weeks on this one. I've never looked after a disabled
child, but I've looked after a family member with Alzheimer's. People in late Alzheimer's are totally helpless, and very similar to Ashley in terms of the care they need. They can't talk, walk, feed themselves, control bladder or bowels etc. I totally get the issue of body size being a problem for a caregiver. Inability to cope with a large heavy person is a major reason for putting a person in an institution. Given that Ashley is not going to get better physically or mentally, I can see their motivation for wanting to keep her physically managable so they can keep her at home, and give her the best possible quality of life. Her caregivers will be aging ultimately, and its next to impossible to cope with a large adult who is so totally disabled - and I'm betting money, the dealbreaker for the parents being able to successfully care for her will be body size and weight. Their alternative would be to put her in a nursing home or chronic care hospital, and I promise you, her life won't be as rich and happy as it would be at home surrounded by family. M. |
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Ashley Treatment, they treat Ashley like a dog
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/paula.zahn.now/
Paula Zahn will talk about this on her show monday night on CNN. My heart goes out to everyone who has to care for a disable child or other loved one. But just because things get to tough for you. Just because you can't handle it. Just because you are a fragging coward. You don't have the right to butcher a child's body. sam7i5erotdkhgcx wrote: http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/ The Ashley Treatment is wrong. Wrong in so many fragging ways. They treat Ashley as if she was a dog. You never take awaya a person's humanity. You never make them less human. The parents, the doctors had no right to do this. Ashley is nine now. In the next 10 or 20 years they might find a treatment or cure. I mean we can take cells and grow a liver or a heart. There is hope for Ashley, there is hope for everyone. If this was my child I could never do this. There is no such thing as false hope, there is only hope. Mary Vallis, National Post Published: Friday, January 05, 2007 An American couple have had doctors stunt their disabled nine-year-old daughter's growth in the hopes of keeping her small enough to enable them to care for her. Ashley has been diagnosed with static encephalopathy, or severe brain damage. She has the mental age of a three- to six-month old. She cannot speak, relies on a feeding tube for nourishment and cannot move on her own. Yet the girl is an integral member of her family, who live in Washington state: Her parents say she loves Andrea Bocelli's booming voice -- they joke the singer is her boyfriend. Her parents and grandparents do everything for her and call her their "pillow angel" because she stays wherever they put her, usually on a pillow. When Ashley started showing signs of puberty early at age six, her parents feared she would quickly grow too big for them to lift. Doctors at Children's Hospital in Seattle stunted her growth with high doses of estrogen; she finished the regimen a few weeks ago. They also removed her uterus, appendix and breast buds. The girl is now 4-foot-5, weighs 65 pounds and is unlikely to get any bigger. Her family says the treatment limited her height by about 20%, or 13 inches. The doctors call it growth attenuation therapy. Her parents, who have not disclosed their name, call it the "Ashley treatment." The controversial case, believed to be the only one of its kind, is prompting a debate over the rights of the disabled and their caregivers. Ashley's doctors published a report on the case in a medical journal in October, prompting comparisons with the Terry Schiavo case in Florida. Critics argue Ashley's treatment made life easier for her family, but does not benefit the girl herself. "I think we would work to treat the conditions without stripping [disabled people] of what little humanity they still have. This brings me back to when we just lobotomized them," one reader from Florida wrote on an online message board. "I can understand a hysterectomy for her health, but more than that practically turns a human being into a doll." This week, Ashley's parents launched a blog explaining their decision. The site also features supportive comments from other families caring for disabled children and snapshots of Ashley, blue-eyed and smiling wide. The treatment, they say, was not a matter of convenience, but rather an attempt to help their daughter. "Faced with Ashley's medical reality, as her deeply loving parents, we worked with her doctors to do all we could to provide Ashley with the best possible quality of life," they write. By keeping her small, they say, they can continue to push Ashley around the house in her customized stroller and bathe her in a standard-size bathtub. And it takes only one person to lift her, making it easier for her to be moved into the backyard and to social gatherings, instead of "lying down in her bed and staring at TV (or the ceiling) all day long." The removal of her breast buds and uterus was also practical. The procedures eliminate any risk of breast cancer and menstrual cramps and make her wheelchair more comfortable (it has a chest strap). They also make it less likely Ashley would be sexually abused by a future caregiver, the parents add. "Some question how God might view this treatment. The God we know wants Ashley to have a good quality of life and wants her parents to be diligent about using every resource at their disposal (including the brains that He endowed them with) to maximize her quality of life," they write. Some medical ethicists say the medical regimen is "probably inherently wrong." "May we redesign disabled people to make them easier to care for?" asked Dr. Margaret Somerville, founder of McGill University's Centre for Medicine, Ethics and Law. She said people should examine their intuitive reaction to the case and question whether it is ethically justified to override that feeling. "We've got to start from the basic presumption in favour of the natural. The 'natural' is that she gets all opportunities to develop that anybody else would have," she explained. "If we're going to inhibit that natural development, we've got to have very strong justification for doing that. Therefore, the question is: Is making her easier to carry a sufficient justification for that very invasive surgical intervention?" It is also important to ask whether there are alternatives that would have met the same goals, Dr. Somerville added. "The alternative is not to change her, but to change the circumstances in which she and her parents find themselves, and to give them human support that will enable the same things to be achieved." Indeed, an editorial that ran alongside the report in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine warned that the strategy proposed by Ashley's doctors is "highly speculative" and "ill advised." Dr. Jeffrey Brosco, a Miami pediatrician and co-author of the editorial, asked whether it is "an attempt at a medical fix to what's really a social and political problem" -- parents like Ashley's who do not have enough access to social support and home care. Ashley's doctors disagree. They say the potential side effects are minimal and the treatment directly benefits their young patient, regardless of whether she is cared for at home, in an institution or in foster care. "In reality, Ashley being smaller means that she will be moved more, that she will be held more, that she will be bathed more. All of these things are inherently good for Ashley herself," Dr. Daniel Gunther, the pediatric endocrinologist who oversaw her treatment, said in an interview. The hospital's ethics committee approved the treatment. "I understand how people have an initial visceral reaction to this that is negative," Dr. Gunther conceded. "But if people step back and really start thinking about what is best for this child and what is in her best interests, I think many people will come to the conclusion that this is a relatively low-risk procedure with a great deal of benefit for the child." He added the debate has reminded him of a quote from Isaac Asimov: "Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/ |
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sam7i5erotdkhgcx wrote: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/paula.zahn.now/ Paula Zahn will talk about this on her show monday night on CNN. My heart goes out to everyone who has to care for a disable child or other loved one. But just because things get to tough for you. Just because you can't handle it. Just because you are a fragging coward. You don't have the right to butcher a child's body. No. yoiu have the riite to watch the kid get older and you get older and you cant lift her or carry her or care for her so you put her in a home where she gets instititonal care and maybe someone loooks at her body and rapes her becoz she cant say yes or no or anything and she gets bedsores. Yeh. You can do that like many folks have to do. If you try to keeep her wwhere you can helpp her your evel. All this so she can grow into a womman in her body and a babey in her mind. |
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"Darth Breather" wrote in message ps.com... sam7i5erotdkhgcx wrote: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/paula.zahn.now/ Paula Zahn will talk about this on her show monday night on CNN. My heart goes out to everyone who has to care for a disable child or other loved one. But just because things get to tough for you. Just because you can't handle it. Just because you are a fragging coward. You don't have the right to butcher a child's body. No. yoiu have the riite to watch the kid get older and you get older and you cant lift her or carry her or care for her so you put her in a home where she gets instititonal care and maybe someone loooks at her body and rapes her becoz she cant say yes or no or anything and she gets bedsores. Yeh. You can do that like many folks have to do. If you try to keeep her wwhere you can helpp her your evel. All this so she can grow into a womman in her body and a babey in her mind. Some people just do not understand that it is a choice of two bad things. Their self-righteousness enables them to sit in judgement on those who have been forced into the position of making that choice. No doubt if the parents had died and left the child helpless, this person would have similarly ranted on their evil decisions. It makes the choice far easier if you are not involved, you know. |
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Ashley Treatment, they treat Ashley like a dog
Caledonia wrote:
And yet, I can't shake how some nuance about the size restricting hormones = A Good Thing just creeps me out. Probably way too sensitive, I don't think you're way too sensitive. I think it is disturbing and requires serious scrutiny. It's just that sometimes there aren't any great answers, and you have to choose the path that comes out ahead on balance, even if it's not free from concerns. I do discount some of what's on the parents' website. It is, after all, propaganda designed to defend their decision and I'm sure they couched things the way they thought would be most persuasive to others. So, for example, I don't *really* believe that they didn't have to do any soul-searching to come to this decision. I think they cast it as an "easy" decision in order to drive home their point that in their opinion, once you consider everything, they believe it's not a terribly close call to make the decision they made. Best wishes, Ericka |
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