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For many foster children, hard life begins as adults
For many foster children, hard life begins as adults
National study finds the system can leave staggering problems By MELANIE MARKLEY Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle RESOURCES FALLOUT FROM FOSTER CARE • 54.4 percent: Foster children diagnosed with mental problems • 25.2 percent: Suffer post-traumatic stress disorder • 19.9 percent: Are unemployed • 33.2 percent: Are living below the poverty level • 22.2 percent: Have experienced homelessness Source: Casey Family Programs/Harvard Medical School Jeremy Gillis was 18 and still in high school when he left the foster care system. Alone in the world with no family and little money to live on, he ended up in a homeless shelter, struggling to survive. Gillis, now 22, didn't just survive. Drawing on religious faith and a government program that helped with his living expenses, he went on to finish high school, get a job, get his own apartment and enroll in college, where his plans are to get a social work degree. "It was not easy," said Gillis, who spent 17 years in foster care, constantly moving from one group home to another. "I know of quite a few guys and females who went through the system with me who didn't do as well as I did." As Texas lawmakers debate legislation to revamp the state's child welfare system, a national study released last week provides sobering insight on the bleak future that many children in foster care face when they become young adults. The study, conducted by Casey Family Programs and Harvard Medical School, found that young adults who had been in foster care were more than twice as likely as their peers to suffer mental health problems and 12 times less likely to finish college. Former foster children also were more likely as adults to be unemployed, homeless and living below the poverty line. And they were twice as likely to suffer post-traumatic stress disorder as U. S. war veterans. The study, based on a sample of former foster children in Oregon and Washington, did not analyze the reasons behind the higher rates of problems. 'We are not doing right' But a group of Houston youths raised in foster care says it's not surprising, given their history of abuse or neglect that is often compounded by instability from constantly changing foster homes and schools. "We are alarmed that in too many cases, these young adults aren't doing as well as we anticipated," said Ruth Massinga, president and chief executive officer of the Casey Family Programs, a Seattle-based child welfare services and advocacy group. "As a country, we are not doing right by these children." Nationwide every year, about 20,000 people between 18 and 21 make the transition from foster care to legal emancipation. In fiscal 2004, 1,084 in Texas — including 253 in the Houston area — left foster care as young adults. Researchers for the study reviewed the case files of 659 adults aged 20 through 33 who had lived in foster care in the Northwest between 1988 and 1998. Of those, 479 were interviewed. The study found that one-third of the former foster children were living at or below the poverty line, three times the average in the general population. And nearly 20 percent were unemployed, four times the national average. "Sadly," said Texas Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar, "these are very serious issues that deserve some close attention. These are people who as children suffered abuse, neglect, or both, and the emotional scars are very real." Echoes Austin study The study reached conclusions similar to a much smaller one conducted by the Austin-based Center for Public Policy Priorities four years ago. That study was based on interviews with Central Texas youths who had left the foster care system. Young people making the transition from foster care in Texas are eligible for some assistance, including free tuition at state colleges and universities. They also are eligible for financial help, including up to $1,000 for expenses if they attend life skill classes as well as an additional $3,000 in federal assistance for rent, utilities and food. But Scott McCown, CPPP's executive director, said too many youths leaving foster care don't take advantage of the benefits. "Anybody who has had teenagers, even in intact functional families, knows that the transition to adulthood is very difficult," McCown said. "These are kids that had a very tough time in life, and they can be very angry kids, and getting them to cooperate about their future can be tough." Nikki Ambush, 24, who grew up in foster care and now works for Harris County CPS, said there are a variety of reasons why young adults don't take advantage of the benefits. Some aren't knowledgeable of the full array of benefits and may not know who to call to get them, she said. Others are trying so hard just to survive that they don't think about long-term goals like college, she said. The free tuition is available only if a student signs up for a class before turning 21. "You've got so much going on at 18 when they kick you out, or when you are released, or whatever happens," Ambush said. "School is not necessarily the biggest or first thing on your mind." Harris County CPS, however, is hoping to make adulthood less traumatic by opening a transition center that will help young people leaving foster care to find jobs, secure housing and get other assistance. 'A system can't nourish you' Ambush also is forming an alumni association that can serve as a support group for adults who have been in the foster care system. Although she counts herself among the fortunate to have spent her teenage years living with a single, stable foster family, she understands the problems all too well. "You are being raised by a system," she said. "But a system can't nourish you, it can't be a stable environment for you. I mean, you have to find your own way. And that's the sad thing. If you can't find your own way, you are left out there." State Rep. Carlos Uresti, D-San Antonio, said he hopes to include provisions in the legislation revamping CPS that would place more emphasis on transitional services for foster care youths. House Bill 6 will be considered by the House this week. A similar bill has passed the Senate. "Many of these kids have physical issues and mental health problems," he said, "and then we are going to send them out into the world with $1,000 and say, 'Good luck.' That's not fair to these children." http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3127838 "Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, For you are crunchy and taste good with catsup." |
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wexwimpy wrote: For many foster children, hard life begins as adults National study finds the system can leave staggering problems By MELANIE MARKLEY Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle RESOURCES FALLOUT FROM FOSTER CARE =B7 54.4 percent: Foster children diagnosed with mental problems =B7 25.2 percent: Suffer post-traumatic stress disorder =B7 19.9 percent: Are unemployed =B7 33.2 percent: Are living below the poverty level =B7 22.2 percent: Have experienced homelessness Source: Casey Family Programs/Harvard Medical School Jeremy Gillis was 18 and still in high school when he left the foster care system. Alone in the world with no family and little money to live on, he ended up in a homeless shelter, struggling to survive. Gillis, now 22, didn't just survive. Drawing on religious faith and a government program that helped with his living expenses, he went on to finish high school, get a job, get his own apartment and enroll in college, where his plans are to get a social work degree. "It was not easy," said Gillis, who spent 17 years in foster care, constantly moving from one group home to another. "I know of quite a few guys and females who went through the system with me who didn't do as well as I did." As Texas lawmakers debate legislation to revamp the state's child welfare system, a national study released last week provides sobering insight on the bleak future that many children in foster care face when they become young adults. The study, conducted by Casey Family Programs and Harvard Medical School, found that young adults who had been in foster care were more than twice as likely as their peers to suffer mental health problems and 12 times less likely to finish college. Former foster children also were more likely as adults to be unemployed, homeless and living below the poverty line. And they were twice as likely to suffer post-traumatic stress disorder as U. S. war veterans. The study, based on a sample of former foster children in Oregon and Washington, did not analyze the reasons behind the higher rates of problems. 'We are not doing right' But a group of Houston youths raised in foster care says it's not surprising, given their history of abuse or neglect that is often compounded by instability from constantly changing foster homes and schools. "We are alarmed that in too many cases, these young adults aren't doing as well as we anticipated," said Ruth Massinga, president and chief executive officer of the Casey Family Programs, a Seattle-based child welfare services and advocacy group. "As a country, we are not doing right by these children." Nationwide every year, about 20,000 people between 18 and 21 make the transition from foster care to legal emancipation. In fiscal 2004, 1,084 in Texas - including 253 in the Houston area - left foster care as young adults. Researchers for the study reviewed the case files of 659 adults aged 20 through 33 who had lived in foster care in the Northwest between 1988 and 1998. Of those, 479 were interviewed. The study found that one-third of the former foster children were living at or below the poverty line, three times the average in the general population. And nearly 20 percent were unemployed, four times the national average. "Sadly," said Texas Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar, "these are very serious issues that deserve some close attention. These are people who as children suffered abuse, neglect, or both, and the emotional scars are very real." Echoes Austin study The study reached conclusions similar to a much smaller one conducted by the Austin-based Center for Public Policy Priorities four years ago. That study was based on interviews with Central Texas youths who had left the foster care system. Young people making the transition from foster care in Texas are eligible for some assistance, including free tuition at state colleges and universities. They also are eligible for financial help, including up to $1,000 for expenses if they attend life skill classes as well as an additional $3,000 in federal assistance for rent, utilities and food. But Scott McCown, CPPP's executive director, said too many youths leaving foster care don't take advantage of the benefits. "Anybody who has had teenagers, even in intact functional families, knows that the transition to adulthood is very difficult," McCown said. "These are kids that had a very tough time in life, and they can be very angry kids, and getting them to cooperate about their future can be tough." Nikki Ambush, 24, who grew up in foster care and now works for Harris County CPS, said there are a variety of reasons why young adults don't take advantage of the benefits. Some aren't knowledgeable of the full array of benefits and may not know who to call to get them, she said. Others are trying so hard just to survive that they don't think about long-term goals like college, she said. The free tuition is available only if a student signs up for a class before turning 21. "You've got so much going on at 18 when they kick you out, or when you are released, or whatever happens," Ambush said. "School is not necessarily the biggest or first thing on your mind." Harris County CPS, however, is hoping to make adulthood less traumatic by opening a transition center that will help young people leaving foster care to find jobs, secure housing and get other assistance. 'A system can't nourish you' Ambush also is forming an alumni association that can serve as a support group for adults who have been in the foster care system. Although she counts herself among the fortunate to have spent her teenage years living with a single, stable foster family, she understands the problems all too well. "You are being raised by a system," she said. "But a system can't nourish you, it can't be a stable environment for you. I mean, you have to find your own way. And that's the sad thing. If you can't find your own way, you are left out there." State Rep. Carlos Uresti, D-San Antonio, said he hopes to include provisions in the legislation revamping CPS that would place more emphasis on transitional services for foster care youths. House Bill 6 will be considered by the House this week. A similar bill has passed the Senate. "Many of these kids have physical issues and mental health problems," he said, "and then we are going to send them out into the world with $1,000 and say, 'Good luck.' That's not fair to these children." http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3127838 Where are their blood relatives? Does a CPS intervention negate the family tie for life? How? When they are "sent out into the world" the state cannot stop their relatives from helping them, can it? In using such a study for policy and planning one might first want to consider the validity of a demographic the small size, in comparison to the very likely much larger size of the group it was drawn from. Surely there were a whole lot more children than this that graduated, aged out, from foster care in a ten year period: " Researchers for the study reviewed the case files of 659 adults aged 20 through 33 who had lived in foster care in the Northwest between 1988 and 1998. Of those, 479 were interviewed. " It's got a great emotional appeal, but little objectivity. And NO suggestion of what those children might have brought from their homelife into state custody. And some were in ajudicated placements...in other words, criminals before they left foster care. 0:- "Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, For you are crunchy and taste good with catsup." |
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Is needless Foster Care traumatizing?
Does it cause CSAAS? Can the agency MANAGEMENT be criminally charged as accessories when pedophile caseworkers conspire to remove kids and place them with their pedophile Foster Care associates? |
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Greegor wrote: Is needless Foster Care traumatizing? Not necessarily. It might not be at all. That claim that it is is one more of the bogus piece of crap you folks spread here to try and make your poisonous garden grow. Kids go all kinds of places that at first frighten them, and it turns out to not be bad after all and they end up having fun. Think about all the places kids go that are new places for them. Does it cause CSAAS? Whose to say? Maybe you can create a connection. Go ahead. Can the agency MANAGEMENT be criminally charged as accessories when pedophile caseworkers conspire to remove kids and place them with their pedophile Foster Care associates? I doubt if management didn't know it they could be. If they knew, of course, and they should be. Next question. |
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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3127838 Kane wrote... Where are their blood relatives? Does a CPS intervention negate the family tie for life? How? When they are "sent out into the world" the state cannot stop their relatives from helping them, can it? In using such a study for policy and planning one might first want to consider the validity of a demographic the small size, in comparison to the very likely much larger size of the group it was drawn from. Surely there were a whole lot more children than this that graduated, aged out, from foster care in a ten year period: Kane, we have mentioned many times of the failure of CPS failing to care for kids who age out of the system and being dumped on the streets. To answer your question... it's also been mentioned here many times that CPS prevents an association with relatives and family... and former friends. The idea to to keep parents from being able to interfere through anyone known to the kids. After spending 17 years in foster care it's not easy to be accept by blood relatives who had little contact with the boy. He is, after all, a stranger to them. How much help are the suppose to give the boy and for what reason? No, we just can't pass the kid off and expect relatives to pick up broken peices created in large part by CPS. bobb |
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bobb wrote: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3127838 Kane wrote... Where are their blood relatives? Does a CPS intervention negate the family tie for life? How? When they are "sent out into the world" the state cannot stop their relatives from helping them, can it? In using such a study for policy and planning one might first want to consider the validity of a demographic the small size, in comparison to the very likely much larger size of the group it was drawn from. Surely there were a whole lot more children than this that graduated, aged out, from foster care in a ten year period: Kane, we have mentioned many times of the failure of CPS failing to care for kids who age out of the system and being dumped on the streets. Yes, you certainly have, and never answered my question about their family and extended family. To answer your question... it's also been mentioned here many times that CPS prevents an association with relatives and family... and former friends. It has? I've never seen any such claims here, and if there were, certainly no proof that is so. How would CPS prevents such contact by an adult (AGED out of the system, remember) when they have zero success stopping a teen still IN the system from contacting their family members, and in fact order foster parents to make that possible for children, even when OTHER contact, for safety reasons is not allowed? The idea to to keep parents from being able to interfere through anyone known to the kids. You'll have to flesh that out a bit. It makes no sense. Interfere with what? Who? How? And how does that work to stop an adult, just leaving the CPS system, from contact with relatives? After spending 17 years in foster care it's not easy to be accept by blood relatives who had little contact with the boy. Relatives abandon children "wrongly" removed (as so often claimed here) by CPS? You posit a remarkably rare phenomena, that children lose contact with relatives, or even, bobber, their parents. Even adopted children in most states are part of an open adoption plan, with some contact. Certainly in foster care their is openness in nearly every case of long term care. Unless of course the parents fell out and disappeared. He is, after all, a stranger to them. Oh? No blood relative of mine, even those I've never met, is a "stranger" to me. We'd take about an hour to catch up on our connections and those we know mutually. And even those I knew and a child and haven't seen for decades...many of them, would still be family to me, no matter who or what came in our way. How much help are the suppose to give the boy and for what reason? Well, about as much as a caring family member might give to any relative. You have a problem with that? No, we just can't pass the kid off and expect relatives to pick up broken peices created in large part by CPS. Bull****. The relatives, by NOT becoming involved (sometimes not their fault and sometimes it is) back when it would have been an intervention. Don't try that **** with me, bobber. I worked with relatives for years, and saw the good ones, the bad ones, and the ones that simply couldn't help it. And blood speaks to blood. As for the dilema of kids aging out of the system, you are in fact right...and why? MONEY YOU BLIND ASSHOLE. There are not enough funds to assist. There never has been. And I have spoken to legislators on the that issue. HAVE YOU, NITWIT? Written anyone? There are no legislators here. Go..do it. Stop your fruckin' whining, you boring twit. By the way, a large number of children "aging" out of the system are in fact eligible of SSI and get it. They are disabled. And by genetic and functional injuries inflicted by their PARENTS, yah useless asswipe. Blaming 'foster care' for the injuries to these children should be a crime and you should be in jail for perpetrating it, yah fukerian liar. The actual incident of this is low, not high. Adn you and Doug and other's here are sick ****s trying to peddle this crap. AND TRYING TO KEEP THE SYSTEM CRIPPLED AND UNDERFUNDED SO THE CHILDREN WHO LEAVE THE SYSTEM ARE NOT PROPERLY FUNDED and supported. All funding is competed for by every government agency and between them all. The assholes like you that sit and whine and don't make your voices heard where it counts are part of the problem. Because these "children" are now adults it become very difficult to get the legislators to allocate funding. The public thinks they should be on their own. Did you bother to read the letter from a Portland Oregon volunteer organization that in fact does prepare children to leave the system as adults? Same problem. Not enough money. They do good work though with the volunteers who come forward. Want to know who the majority of volunteer are? CPS WORKERS AND OTHER PROFESSIONALS FROM THE COURTS, THE MENTAL HEALTH, AND JUVENILE SYSTEMS, YAH ****ING NITWIT. ON THEIR OWN DAMN TIME. You are a hazard to humanity, bobber the swift. What should be classified as a pandemic social disease. There are far too many such as you. bobb Put your head back up it, bobber, and take a nap. 0:- |
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Kane excused supervisory chain of command at CPS agencies
for not being aware of what takes place on their watch? Any supervisor, and any level, bears a responsibility to supervise the activities under their supervision. In law suits, the phrases are "knew or SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" and "Failure to supervise". Supervisors who don't supervise because they think their deliberate ignorance will shield them are getting some REALLY BAD legal advice! |
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Greegor wrote: Kane excused supervisory chain of command at CPS agencies for not being aware of what takes place on their watch? Where? Any supervisor, and any level, bears a responsibility to supervise the activities under their supervision. That's true. Responsibility is an after the fact event in supervision. Supervisors are not paid for, nor allowed to, constantly follow workers minute by minute. In law suits, the phrases are "knew or SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" and "Failure to supervise". That's right, but of course has not point in this instance. Supervisors who don't supervise because they think their deliberate ignorance will shield them are getting some REALLY BAD legal advice! And you would apply that to this situation how again? Are you in fact saying that if a supervisor didn't know that there was a paedophile involved they 'should' have? How should they have known? Psychic hotline? I love when sidewalk superintendants babble on about what other's should have done, but would themselves never be able to come near doing the job, even if they could get hired, which of course they couldn't. So tell us greegor, how does one spot a paedophile, outside the very few that wear a placard stating, "I **** little kids?" Go ahead. Show us how CPS SHOULD have done this job you have for them in spotting paedophiles. We'll wait. When you are done, explain why you think Criminal charges against management are in order, rather than other charges or penalties. If I hire someone for my company, that I sent out to do a pickup order for me, and they shoot the people at the Will Call desk, should I be charged with murder? Of course I should if I told him to shoot them, and I should be charged, possibly, with something considerably lessor if he said he was going to and I believed him, but didn't call, and less if he said he was and I laughed and didn't believe him, (probably nothing at all as a charge). And if he didn't tell me he was going to. And his crim background check showed no murder or attempts before? What criminal charge would you say would be sufficent to punish me for my ignorance of his past and his intent? What if he had NO past whatsoever of violence? So, tell us, what are you babbling about? 0:- |
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Greegor wrote: Kane excused supervisory chain of command at CPS agencies for not being aware of what takes place on their watch? No I didn't. I pointed out the difficulties involved. Or are you suggesting it's an easy job? And of course mistakes would not happen if you were doing it? Any supervisor, and any level, bears a responsibility to supervise the activities under their supervision. That's right. They are not psychics, however. Or is it required that no unacceptable events may happen and any supervisor upon whose watch they do must be fired? I have a hunch we'd run out of supervisors. What do you think? In law suits, the phrases are "knew or SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" and "Failure to supervise". Ah, the "should have known." You do not understand the implications. That would suggest there are events judged by others, as NOT being KNOWN because there was no reason the supervisor "SHOULD HAVE KNOWN." In other words, it's been decided that supervisors are not required to be psychics. If it was sent to a supervisor in a form that is recognized as being a "should have known" say an email, or memo, or in conference, then the super should have known. If it was being passed around the office as rumor, it may well be the supervisor had not way to know for sure. Of if an event was reported while the supervisor was away on say vacation, and during the time after returning they were going through their correspondance and had not come to the item that exploded into a major event, they would not be seen as having 'SHOULD HAVE KNOWN," since it was physically impossible to do so. The trick you folks like to play doesn't work if YOU are in the hotseat. You would scream foul. In fact, geegor, you scream fould even when you SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, that is you were told point blank, publically, but chose to ignore or go against what you were told. Supervisors who don't supervise because they think their deliberate ignorance will shield them are getting some REALLY BAD legal advice! Nope. It doesn't work that way. If they were officially and or according to standards of practice not informed or couldn't know, by virtue say of extenuating circumstances, like absense, making it physically impossible for them to know. Then they weren't ignorant for deliberate intend to be, but because they could NOT know. If you think otherwise, pop up some proof other than innuendo. No one, least of all I, is defending a supervisor that KNOWS what is going on and yet does not act correctly on that information. You don't read what I write, you just see what you want, instead of what, from my statements, you "SHOULD HAVE KNOWN." Point out where I defend the supervisor that knew what was going on and failed to act properly. 0:- |
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"Michael" wrote in message g.com... On Thu 14 Apr 2005 08:25:43p wrote in alt.support.child-protective-services Greegor wrote: Kane excused supervisory chain of command at CPS agencies for not being aware of what takes place on their watch? Where? Any supervisor, and any level, bears a responsibility to supervise the activities under their supervision. That's true. Responsibility is an after the fact event in supervision. Supervisors are not paid for, nor allowed to, constantly follow workers minute by minute. After the fact? That's asinine! LOL. Supervise : 1. Oversee activity - to watch over a particular activity or task being carried out by other people and ensure that it is carried out correctly. 2. Oversee people - to be in charge of a group of people engaged in some activity and to keep order or ensure that they carry out a task adequately. So you're only responsible after someone ****s up? LMAO. Maybe in CPS though! You're supposed to prevent ****ups before they happen. Hmm.... I always took the position I was responsible before, and after. The best plans do not always work out... maybe even because someone dropped the ball I think a good manager will have an alternative plan, sometimes in anticpation of preparing for the worse case, and he should always be ready to pick up the pieces. It is well known managers/supervisors are not always the gifted, too. Often the employees will make up for deficient bosses. The plans of a bad manager will often be sucessful because of good employees...but even a great manager cannot succeed with bad employees. bobb In law suits, the phrases are "knew or SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" and "Failure to supervise". That's right, but of course has not point in this instance. Supervisors who don't supervise because they think their deliberate ignorance will shield them are getting some REALLY BAD legal advice! And you would apply that to this situation how again? Are you in fact saying that if a supervisor didn't know that there was a paedophile involved they 'should' have? How should they have known? Psychic hotline? I love when sidewalk superintendants babble on about what other's should have done, but would themselves never be able to come near doing the job, even if they could get hired, which of course they couldn't. So tell us greegor, how does one spot a paedophile, outside the very few that wear a placard stating, "I **** little kids?" Go ahead. Show us how CPS SHOULD have done this job you have for them in spotting paedophiles. We'll wait. When you are done, explain why you think Criminal charges against management are in order, rather than other charges or penalties. If I hire someone for my company, that I sent out to do a pickup order for me, and they shoot the people at the Will Call desk, should I be charged with murder? Of course I should if I told him to shoot them, and I should be charged, possibly, with something considerably lessor if he said he was going to and I believed him, but didn't call, and less if he said he was and I laughed and didn't believe him, (probably nothing at all as a charge). And if he didn't tell me he was going to. And his crim background check showed no murder or attempts before? What criminal charge would you say would be sufficent to punish me for my ignorance of his past and his intent? What if he had NO past whatsoever of violence? So, tell us, what are you babbling about? 0:- -- Michael Notice: The preceding has been entirely my opinion and does not constitute legal advice. Notice: I don't see cross-posted posts. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. |
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