utah's practice

Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support. Because of my childs father moving so offten
ORS said they couldnt locate him to take any thing. I had no clue
where he was or what he was doing so of course I believed ORS. After
three years of recieving little to nothing I decided to take a 350
mile trip to figure out what was going on. Surprisingly he called me
at my hotel room and after I asked him why I was getting so little he
brought me several check stubbs showing he had been paying. It was a
bit of a run around but I ended up getting a couple thousand dollars
in back pay. Im posting this because I hope this doesnt happen but it
could happen to any one.

wrote in
Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support.


The notion that we have to totally rely on the government for all our needs
is obscene in a free society.

Why do you need money from a man to raise your child?

"DB" wrote in message
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wrote in
Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support.


The notion that we have to totally rely on the government for all our
needs is obscene in a free society.

Why do you need money from a man to raise your child?
==
She referred to it as "my support" so apparently she's referring to alimony
;-)

"Gini" wrote in
==
She referred to it as "my support" so apparently she's referring to
alimony ;-)

Yes, a hand out!

DB wrote:
wrote in
Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support.


The notion that we have to totally rely on the government for all our needs
is obscene in a free society.

Why do you need money from a man to raise your child?


WHAT?! The man co-created that child, the man is responsible for
co-parenting that child. The government is the mediator and arbiter. If
a couple can't get along enough to stay married then why the **** should
they argue about child support? I totally disagree with your position.

"Soprano" wrote in message
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DB wrote:
wrote in
Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support.


The notion that we have to totally rely on the government for all our
needs is obscene in a free society.

Why do you need money from a man to raise your child?
WHAT?! The man co-created that child, the man is responsible for
co-parenting that child. The government is the mediator and arbiter. If a
couple can't get along enough to stay married then why the **** should
they argue about child support? I totally disagree with your position.

You need to find out more about how the system treats people before you
disagree so vehemently with someone's position, Atlanta. There are many
people who have been really hurt by the Child Support system. There are
people on this group who never used the CS system to work out the parenting
needs of their children--even though they were no longer married. They did
just fine. There are men who post here who did not even know they had
fathered a child until the child was 5, 10 or even more years old. And they
were suddenly hit with child support orders totalling thousands and
thousands of dollars in arrearages--for children that the mothers did not
tell them about! Kids they didn't know existed! How fair is that? There
are men who lost high paying jobs and had to take lower paying jobs because
their high paying jobs were shipped overseas--but the courts refused to
lower their child support payments because they "knew the men could earn
more if they just tried harder." Can you imagine this happening in an
intact family? I know the system looks good to you and your ex because it
will assure that the money to support your daughter is taken out of his
check before he can spend it elsewhere, but it is simply not that simple for
everyone. Why do you think you got so much advice to communicate with your
ex and try to handle things without the government getting involved? Do you
think we are all a bunch of anti-government rabble rousers? Many of us have
experienced great unpleasantness as the hands of the system.

teachrmama wrote:
"Soprano" wrote in message
...
DB wrote:
wrote in
Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support.

The notion that we have to totally rely on the government for all our
needs is obscene in a free society.

Why do you need money from a man to raise your child?
WHAT?! The man co-created that child, the man is responsible for
co-parenting that child. The government is the mediator and arbiter. If a
couple can't get along enough to stay married then why the **** should
they argue about child support? I totally disagree with your position.

You need to find out more about how the system treats people before you
disagree so vehemently with someone's position, Atlanta. There are many
people who have been really hurt by the Child Support system. There are
people on this group who never used the CS system to work out the parenting
needs of their children--even though they were no longer married. They did
just fine. There are men who post here who did not even know they had
fathered a child until the child was 5, 10 or even more years old. And they
were suddenly hit with child support orders totalling thousands and
thousands of dollars in arrearages--for children that the mothers did not
tell them about! Kids they didn't know existed! How fair is that? There
are men who lost high paying jobs and had to take lower paying jobs because
their high paying jobs were shipped overseas--but the courts refused to
lower their child support payments because they "knew the men could earn
more if they just tried harder." Can you imagine this happening in an
intact family? I know the system looks good to you and your ex because it
will assure that the money to support your daughter is taken out of his
check before he can spend it elsewhere, but it is simply not that simple for
everyone. Why do you think you got so much advice to communicate with your
ex and try to handle things without the government getting involved? Do you
think we are all a bunch of anti-government rabble rousers? Many of us have
experienced great unpleasantness as the hands of the system.


I have no sympathy for men who don't know where they are planting their
seed. None. **** them. My situation is simple. You are right. And I
thank God for that. Its clean. Its easy. I don't have any thoughts about
you. I just can't believe how complicated and ****ed up things are,
that's all. Like I said, I would rather not do this, but I have been
advised to do so by recovering alcoholics and clergy alike and
therapists, so and so forth. It took me one year and two months to get
up the courage to even fill out the paperwork. And a lot of ****
happened in the last 14 months. I believe that it is in my child's
father's BEST interests to file this paper work.

"Soprano" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:
"Soprano" wrote in message
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DB wrote:
wrote in
Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support.

The notion that we have to totally rely on the government for all our
needs is obscene in a free society.

Why do you need money from a man to raise your child?
WHAT?! The man co-created that child, the man is responsible for
co-parenting that child. The government is the mediator and arbiter. If
a couple can't get along enough to stay married then why the **** should
they argue about child support? I totally disagree with your position.

You need to find out more about how the system treats people before you
disagree so vehemently with someone's position, Atlanta. There are many
people who have been really hurt by the Child Support system. There are
people on this group who never used the CS system to work out the
parenting needs of their children--even though they were no longer
married. They did just fine. There are men who post here who did not
even know they had fathered a child until the child was 5, 10 or even
more years old. And they were suddenly hit with child support orders
totalling thousands and thousands of dollars in arrearages--for children
that the mothers did not tell them about! Kids they didn't know existed!
How fair is that? There are men who lost high paying jobs and had to
take lower paying jobs because their high paying jobs were shipped
overseas--but the courts refused to lower their child support payments
because they "knew the men could earn more if they just tried harder."
Can you imagine this happening in an intact family? I know the system
looks good to you and your ex because it will assure that the money to
support your daughter is taken out of his check before he can spend it
elsewhere, but it is simply not that simple for everyone. Why do you
think you got so much advice to communicate with your ex and try to
handle things without the government getting involved? Do you think we
are all a bunch of anti-government rabble rousers? Many of us have
experienced great unpleasantness as the hands of the system.
I have no sympathy for men who don't know where they are planting their
seed. None. **** them.

How can you say that? Man and woman are in relationship--whether long term
or a one night stand makes no difference. She finds out she is pregnant and
MOVES AWAY--just breaks it off with no explanation. How can you blame the
MAN for that? The only one with the knowledge of the pregnancy is HER. Some
women lie about being on birth control. Some have actually purposely poked
holes in condoms or saved the used condoms and used the contents later in
order to get pregnant. How can you blame the man for that? Do you really
think it is ok for a woman to deprive her child of a father and the father
of his child just so she can wait several years, building up a "savings
account" at his expense? And, incidentally, making him guilty of a felony
because he becomes so far in arrears? Have you really though your position
on this all the way through?

My situation is simple. You are right. And I
thank God for that. Its clean. Its easy. I don't have any thoughts about
you. I just can't believe how complicated and ****ed up things are, that's
all. Like I said, I would rather not do this, but I have been advised to
do so by recovering alcoholics and clergy alike and therapists, so and so
forth. It took me one year and two months to get up the courage to even
fill out the paperwork. And a lot of **** happened in the last 14 months.
I believe that it is in my child's father's BEST interests to file this
paper work.

And it is, ultimately, your choice, Atlanta.

teachrmama wrote:
"Soprano" wrote in message
...
teachrmama wrote:
"Soprano" wrote in message
...
DB wrote:
wrote in
Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support.
The notion that we have to totally rely on the government for all our
needs is obscene in a free society.

Why do you need money from a man to raise your child?
WHAT?! The man co-created that child, the man is responsible for
co-parenting that child. The government is the mediator and arbiter. If
a couple can't get along enough to stay married then why the **** should
they argue about child support? I totally disagree with your position.
You need to find out more about how the system treats people before you
disagree so vehemently with someone's position, Atlanta. There are many
people who have been really hurt by the Child Support system. There are
people on this group who never used the CS system to work out the
parenting needs of their children--even though they were no longer
married. They did just fine. There are men who post here who did not
even know they had fathered a child until the child was 5, 10 or even
more years old. And they were suddenly hit with child support orders
totalling thousands and thousands of dollars in arrearages--for children
that the mothers did not tell them about! Kids they didn't know existed!
How fair is that? There are men who lost high paying jobs and had to
take lower paying jobs because their high paying jobs were shipped
overseas--but the courts refused to lower their child support payments
because they "knew the men could earn more if they just tried harder."
Can you imagine this happening in an intact family? I know the system
looks good to you and your ex because it will assure that the money to
support your daughter is taken out of his check before he can spend it
elsewhere, but it is simply not that simple for everyone. Why do you
think you got so much advice to communicate with your ex and try to
handle things without the government getting involved? Do you think we
are all a bunch of anti-government rabble rousers? Many of us have
experienced great unpleasantness as the hands of the system.
I have no sympathy for men who don't know where they are planting their
seed. None. **** them.

How can you say that? Man and woman are in relationship--whether long term
or a one night stand makes no difference. She finds out she is pregnant and
MOVES AWAY--just breaks it off with no explanation. How can you blame the
MAN for that? The only one with the knowledge of the pregnancy is HER. Some
women lie about being on birth control. Some have actually purposely poked
holes in condoms or saved the used condoms and used the contents later in
order to get pregnant. How can you blame the man for that? Do you really
think it is ok for a woman to deprive her child of a father and the father
of his child just so she can wait several years, building up a "savings
account" at his expense? And, incidentally, making him guilty of a felony
because he becomes so far in arrears? Have you really though your position
on this all the way through?

Its simple. I have said before and I will say it again. Don't fornicate.
I am a Christian.

"Soprano" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:
"Soprano" wrote in message
...
teachrmama wrote:
"Soprano" wrote in message
...
DB wrote:
wrote in
Im not anti government so I hope none of you think this is slander
towards them. I enrolled in Office of recovery services to ensure I
would recieve my support.
The notion that we have to totally rely on the government for all our
needs is obscene in a free society.

Why do you need money from a man to raise your child?
WHAT?! The man co-created that child, the man is responsible for
co-parenting that child. The government is the mediator and arbiter.
If a couple can't get along enough to stay married then why the ****
should they argue about child support? I totally disagree with your
position.
You need to find out more about how the system treats people before you
disagree so vehemently with someone's position, Atlanta. There are
many people who have been really hurt by the Child Support system.
There are people on this group who never used the CS system to work out
the parenting needs of their children--even though they were no longer
married. They did just fine. There are men who post here who did not
even know they had fathered a child until the child was 5, 10 or even
more years old. And they were suddenly hit with child support orders
totalling thousands and thousands of dollars in arrearages--for
children that the mothers did not tell them about! Kids they didn't
know existed! How fair is that? There are men who lost high paying
jobs and had to take lower paying jobs because their high paying jobs
were shipped overseas--but the courts refused to lower their child
support payments because they "knew the men could earn more if they
just tried harder." Can you imagine this happening in an intact family?
I know the system looks good to you and your ex because it will assure
that the money to support your daughter is taken out of his check
before he can spend it elsewhere, but it is simply not that simple for
everyone. Why do you think you got so much advice to communicate with
your ex and try to handle things without the government getting
involved? Do you think we are all a bunch of anti-government rabble
rousers? Many of us have experienced great unpleasantness as the hands
of the system.
I have no sympathy for men who don't know where they are planting their
seed. None. **** them.

How can you say that? Man and woman are in relationship--whether long
term or a one night stand makes no difference. She finds out she is
pregnant and MOVES AWAY--just breaks it off with no explanation. How can
you blame the MAN for that? The only one with the knowledge of the
pregnancy is HER. Some women lie about being on birth control. Some
have actually purposely poked holes in condoms or saved the used condoms
and used the contents later in order to get pregnant. How can you blame
the man for that? Do you really think it is ok for a woman to deprive
her child of a father and the father of his child just so she can wait
several years, building up a "savings account" at his expense? And,
incidentally, making him guilty of a felony because he becomes so far in
arrears? Have you really though your position on this all the way
through?

Its simple. I have said before and I will say it again. Don't fornicate. I
am a Christian.

Oh, I see. Men aren't supposed to fornicate, so they deserve what they get.
But WOMEN are entitled to thousands and thousands of dollars in back child
support that they "saved up" by not letting the man know he was a father,
because THEY didn't fornicate. Right? And their children certainly should
not have to put up with a fornicator for a father. Right?